Snow Leopard to be Released Unfinished?

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  1. Infrared macrumors 68000

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    I'm becoming increasingly concerned that SL is nowhere near
    where it needs to be for a polished complete release in Sept.

    If you compare the state of readiness of publicly available
    SL builds now with Windows 7 builds from last spring it seems
    remarkable SL could be released a month before Windows 7.

    Quicktime X, for example, seems not yet fully done. The fact
    that there's an option to install Quicktime 7 side by side with
    it is not encouraging.

    Then again, Apple's own internal builds may be much further
    ahead. If they are, SL could be more ready than we know. But
    it would also mean SL would be released without being tested
    in any meaningful way. Note that Windows 7 was beta tested by
    millions. That's a great way of tracking down those elusive bugs.

    So, are we in for an incomplete buggy release? Or am I being
    too pessimistic?

    Thanks!
     
  2. iGuardian macrumors 6502a

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    We had the same problem with Leopard, didn't we? 10.5.0 was, truely, a public beta release. It was plauged with bugs, etc. But it was all polished up by 10.5.1, they even changed the GUI.

    It's just Apple's way of doing things, I suppose.
     
  3. MikhailT macrumors 601

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    There are NO PUBLICLY available builds of Snow Leopard, don't even compare it to W7 public betas which are usually optimized and freshen up for public use.

    Apple has a set of qualifications for a final release. If a build has met all of them, it'll be released. If it hasn't met all of it, it'll be delayed. Simple as that. You are not going to be forced to upgrade to it and you can wait till a couple of weeks after the release to see people's opinion on the build. There is no reason for you to buy it on first day.

    Majority of people playing with the non-official seeds has stated that it is stable for them, not any worse than Leopard other than a couple of GUI quirks which are probably already fixed by now.

    They delayed Leopard a couple of times, so we know they have no problem delaying OS.

    As for your comment on QTX, it works perfectly fine for me. The option for QT7 is for certain codecs that QTX itself doesn't have. I have no problem playing QTX with the majority of my files. I never met the requirement of installing QT7 for any file at all. QTX's only missing stuff is a perference pane with customization options which can be added easily by Apple within the next few months. Apple still have 2 full months of development left and considering my opinion that the latest seed update is probably built around mid June, we haven't seen 2-3 weeks of coding either. So SL final release would mean we have 2-3 months of coding yet to be seen. I don't think Apple will spend several months on testing, they'll use the public release to polish up all the remaining issues for 10.6.1. This is within their history of doing so, i mean every 10.x builds had bugs that was usually fixed within months with several system updates.
     
  4. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    There certainly are publicly available builds. I'm not saying Apple
    has sanctioned their distribution, nor am I encouraging using them.
    But they are out there.

    Which doesn't mean a lot as far as completeness or bugginess goes.
    Leopard shipped with some terrible bugs. The fact is, you can come
    up with as many internal criteria as you like, but unless thousands of
    people get to test it, you'll miss gigantic bugs.

    This time it may be different. Apple must know they are in for a far
    sterner test vs the generally well-liked Windows 7. They may want
    to get their OS out first. But who knows?
     
  5. MikhailT macrumors 601

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    Those are private builds developed for seed program members. Private builds are not the same thing as public builds and leaking private builds on the internet does not change that fact.

    We have no idea what the SL final build will look like, despite the leaked seeds because internal developers are using builds that are far ahead of the developer seed builds. Things can change in 2 months.

    That's exactly what I am saying. Apple will release it even with some bugs. That's proven by looking at their history.

    Windows 7 is already almost done, it is most likely will be finalized within the next few weeks, they are already voting on the RTM builds. MS may release it to the technet members and the press for reviews next month. Long before Oct, 22nd official public release.

    If Apple wants to release SL in Sept, they will and damned the bugs, they will fix all of them with an update.
     
  6. mags631 Guest

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    Right, so you read the other part of this point? These builds are not optimized in any way for consumer play. Most importantly, both Windows 7 and SL are in Beta. Some features are done, others are not. What's more, it's a certainty that both Apple and Microsoft will release their software with known and unknown issues.
     
  7. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    No, you're playing silly word games here. The fact is, pretty much any
    member of the public has access to these builds. That makes them
    publicly available builds no matter what Apple may choose to call them.
    You can't alter the reality of it by slapping on a different name.

    Note: I did not use the words "public build". I wrote "publicly available
    build". The two are not the same.
     
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    I'm not sure he's the one playing silly word games.
     
  9. SnowLeopard2008 macrumors 604

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    Those are intended to be private, so we call them private and not public. Win7 was intended to be public, so we call them public. Microsoft has the financial resources to seed users with Windows 7 and because they want to eradicate Vista. Apple's Leopard is perfectly fine and gaining market dominance by the day.

    Stop playing "silly word games". A definition of a dumb person is still a dumb person.
     
  10. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Windows 7 reached RC status some time ago.
     
  11. iGuardian macrumors 6502a

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    Actually rumor has it that Build 7264 is the RTM build.
     
  12. GimmeSlack12 macrumors 603

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    If something is willfully presented to the public then it is publicly available. If something private is leaked then the intention for privacy does not change, rather a leak occurred.

    Consider the leak of the movie "Wolverine". It had many missing special effects in it, does this mean that the movie critics should watch and judge it in this form? No, because it is not meant for public consumption.

    Snow Leopard will be ready. Stop jumping to conclusions.
     
  13. zmttoxics macrumors 65816

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    Talk about misguided.

    Those "publicly available" snow leopard builds are illegal in anyones hands but registered developers. They are intended for developers to ensure their software works with the new APIs in the new OS X release before the release, NOT for your average joe to torrent and complain about its stability.
     
  14. stainlessliquid macrumors 68000

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    Quicktime X needs to be a high priority, that thing is still unusable.

    Theres also a lot of little annoyances that they need to pay attention to, like the play button on icons which make the icons play instead of open.
     
  15. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    If I intend to be rich, but am in fact poor, I don't call myself "rich".
    Whatever the intentions, the word is not accurate.

    Whatever Apple's intentions were, you cannot truthfully deny that
    there are builds of SL available to the public. That makes the words
    "publicly available builds" wholly accurate.

    Now that that's settled, may we please move on to the more important
    subject of Snow Leopard's readiness?

    Thank you.
     
  16. zmttoxics macrumors 65816

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    Only accurate if you add "illegally" in the front there. Get over your self.
     
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  18. uberamd macrumors 68030

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    Its not in RC, so what are you talking about? /thread right here.
     
  19. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    So SL isn't in RC? I presume it's SL you're talking about.
    Windows 7 was in RC ages ago. And yet, SL is due to be
    released before Windows 7 is. How come?
     
  20. uberamd macrumors 68030

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    If you think the "public" version of SL that is out (even though its not public at all, Win 7 IS public, SL is NOT public, but there is no convincing you of that) is the same as what the official OS X dev's had in their hands on the same date, you are more insane than I already think you are.
     
  21. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

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    Because Apple and Microsoft don't follow the same business practices when it comes to prerelease software?! :eek:

    Honestly. :confused:

    When Snow Leopard goes Gold Master in the firstish week of September, then we'll know.
     
  22. MikhailT macrumors 601

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    Oh, so who died and made you the king? Just because you think it is accurate, doesn't mean it is accurate. It is accurate to you in your mind. You are the only person keeps thinking it is right. Everybody here beside you says differently.

    Builds of Snow Leopard are not available to the public, I don't see links to SL being offered to download on Apple.com or any other sites.

    Show me where it is offered to the public? Links to TPB or rapidshare are immediately not allowed on any sites and it can get a person banned from those sites because it's encourging copyright infridgement which is illegal. If it is discouraged everywhere, not exactly available to the public is it?

    The definition of the public as an adjective:
    If it is being limited to a black market or a subcommunity for illegal file sharing, it is not "publicly available".


    Now I am done talking about this because I have provided facts to show that you are wrong and you haven't shown me anything to disprove what I and other people has stated.
     
  23. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    This has to be the most retarded thread on MR today. Face it- SL builds are private that just happened to get leaked. Just because someone can acquire it through less-than-legal means doesn't make it "publicly" available.
     
  24. Infrared thread starter macrumors 68000

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    That is an assumption, not an established fact.

    And everybody here has spoken? As of now, this thread
    has 361 views, yet only contains 21 messages.

    I didn't say it was "offered to the public". That's a straw man argument.

    Factually incorrect (the "any"). You would have a stronger
    argument if you said "not allowed on many (or most) sites".

    You are so hopelessly confused, it's hard to know where to begin.

    You are confusing availability with approval.

    Something may be disapproved of by a majority and yet available
    to all: widely disapproved of versus publicly available.

    People don't have to take advantage of availability for availability to
    exist. The fact that I don't want to download SL doesn't mean I could
    not do so if I thought otherwise. Understood?
     
  25. uberamd macrumors 68030

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    Its not publicly available, would you just stop already.
     
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