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Snow Leopard to Get Cocoa Finder and ImageBoot

quality control

I notice a lot of users bashing Apple for "poor quality control" and saying that osx has not been really stable since panther. I came from M$ a few months a go and osx is heaven compared to it. I think you've been treated too good by Apple 😀. There are some flaws but nothing in the realm of what windoze users suffer.

Finder rewrite in cocoa sounds good though. Hopefully it has tabs.
 
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The intergration of Exchange 2007 sounds fantastic! I'm the only mac user in my office and would love to dump entourage.
 
It would be a nice improvement if the new cocoa finder would include the file size when you run a search within the finder window.

Another would be to have the default search within the folder in which you are searching and not go outside to "This Mac" unless it is selected.
 
Finally some good news since those horrible announcements on Tuesday. The Finder has needed improvement for a very long time. One of my biggest complaints about the Finder is how it completely freezes up when a USB HD is connected that decides it wants to act funny. Then I have to physically unplug the HD before the Finder will respond again.
 
I only care that the upgrade cannot fail on 1.8GHz Giga Design Cubes, the reason I'm staying away from Leopard.
 
mrtune said:
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The intergration of Exchange 2007 sounds fantastic! I'm the only mac user in my office and would love to dump entourage.
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I'm not sure what that's saying . . . .it's support for exchange within Mail etc. Is Apple's support for exchange going to be better than Microsoft's support for exchange within Entourage?
 
Sounds interesting. More integration with M$ exchange and such will definitely help :apple: in the business worlds eyes, which like I have said in other threads, is something :apple: really needs to focus on (or at least pay some attention to). That would greatly help there market share, that's for sure.

The question for me becomes: do I shell out the $$$ for Snow Leopard? It will gain massive performance from GPU offloading, but having a Intel GMA 950 means I get jack-**** from that. If they do succeed to cut some bloat ([cough] iTunes [/cough]) and smooth things over (in a way that my MB can take advantage of) me thinks I will.

Thoughts?
 
Anyone besides me get the sneaky feeling that Snow Leopard will be priced lower than the usual 129USD? I'm thinking 89USD. I'm not saying they should, just going by the incrementalism of the OS name. :apple:
 
Le Big Mac said:
I'm not sure what that's saying . . . .it's support for exchange within Mail etc. Is Apple's support for exchange going to be better than Microsoft's support for exchange within Entourage?
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I think the point is that Exchange support in mail means that you don't have to use Entourage (which is an Office product, which is a problem especially with '08), not that it will necessarily be better than Entourage's Exchange support, just that it will be in an :apple: written software, rather than a M$ product that is rather poorly implemented on Mac. What I'm saying is that they may not have "better" Exchange support, but they sure as heck will have better OS X support 😀
For me, staying far away from M$'s Mac offerings is looking better and better (unless they walk on water with whatever comes next).
 
I'm worried...

I really like the idea of Snow Leopard being a cleaned-out release that getts rid of all the old commented-out code, but some of the things I'm seeing makes me wonder if Apple is headed towards becoming 'Just Another Windows Box.'

Apple's move to the Intel platform is understandable considering the lack of support they were getting from IBM and Motorola, but it seems more and more that Apple is trying to find a way to 'merge' with Windows... becoming so compatible as to make almost no difference. I always felt that the switch to Intel was an interim move until Apple could start design and production of a new level of PPC chips, and Apple's purchase of that one chip fabricating company was a move in that direction. But The farther along we go, the more I see Apple trying to drive itself into irrelevancy. I truly hope I'm wrong.

Now, if this apparent direction is designed towards allowing Windows apps to run on the Mac without a VM, then maybe its a good thing; but it's going to get so close that it seems almost impossible to keep OS X from running on just any ol' hardware out there and ruining OS X and the Mac as a platform; taking it down the same road Microsoft is fighting with poor hardware compatibility (due to driver issues, mostly.)

Where is Apple going? What is Apple doing to maintain its Leader status in the tech world?
 
I don't care as a user if the Finder will be Cocoa or Carbon - I care only about improvements to usability, since I have to say that work with Finder right now is quite clumsy. That said, I guess writing the GUI in Cocoa will make it much easier for Apple to add features more quickly, thus making it possible to make great Finder and add new features and improve it all in less time.

Apple also will probably make Carbon less and less accessible (they already don't produce 64-bit versions of it, future OS X versions might even remove it as a public API), so they'd probably better to get rid of Carbon dependencies from shipped apps (and also put their money where their mouth is with deprecating Carbon, hello Adobe and 64-bit Photoshop CS4).
 
8CoreWhore said:
Anyone besides me get the sneaky feeling that Snow Leopard will be priced lower that the usual 129USD? I'm thinking 89USD. I'm not saying they should, just going by the incrementalism of the OS name. :apple:
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$89 sure would be nice, seeing as it doesn't introduce loads of new features.

However, :apple: knows people will pay $129 happily (especially if it does what all it claims in terms of stability and streamlining), so, knowing :apple:, they will not miss out on that $40 of profit if they can help it.

Here's hoping they do make it cheaper though 🙄
 
Le Big Mac said:
I'm not sure what that's saying . . . .it's support for exchange within Mail etc. Is Apple's support for exchange going to be better than Microsoft's support for exchange within Entourage?
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I'm hoping so. Entourage currently doesn't support MAPI which is how Outlook works so that everything from mail to contacts to calendars stays updated instantly between the outlook on your computer and the actual server.

They offer basic support within Address Book right now, but it doesn't work perfectly. Contacts that use the company's email address look all messed up in Address Book. But more importantly, there is no native support for iCal to grab exchange calendars which would be the biggest plus for me.
 
MacRumors said:
Other changes expected include broader support for Microsoft Exchange 2007 within Snow Leopard's apps such as iCal, Address Book and Mail.
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I hope they somehow are able to work with Exchange archiving. Currently my only resources is to use the web interface (ugh) or Outlook (no f'n way).
 
Seeing what Apple has been doing in terms of both software and hardware I am a little scared. A total rewrite will be it will be broken.

decimortis said:
Yeah, but will Snow Leopard come with a FireWire port? If it doesn't, I'm OUT!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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No, but it will come in the form of a miniDV tape so that if you don't have firewire you can't install it.
I couldn't resist
 
Just wondering if SL will be optimized for the new MB/MBP or will it also be optimized for previous MB and MBP....
 
Littleodie914 said:
Hmm... What would the use of the ImageBoot feature be? Does this mean I could download a Ubuntu ISO or some other DMG, and then mark that as my Startup Disk?
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Maybe it's a bit like the boot environment stuff that's in OpenSolaris--certainly wouldn't surprise me, as that relies on ZFS, which is set to feature in Snow Leopard.

OpenSolaris allows you to update your running operating system in the background, and reboot into the newly updated version at your leisure. If there are issues with the updated system, you can just reboot back into the previous version. You can have as many such versions as disk space allows, but it's pretty efficient--essentially, only the differences between each version are stored on disk.

http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/snap3.html
 
hdhanani said:
From Steve's reply (assuming that is legit), firewire is pretty much out the door for future notebooks...
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EDIT: Firewire 400 is out the door. Firewire 800/3200 is here to stay for a long time.

I'm really excited about Snow Leopard. Hopefully they will vastly improve the wireless/airport card. I'm getting drops and issues all the time on any network (never happens under Vista 64). And please God let there be a Boot Camp 3.0.
 
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