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Given that they'd promised that Snow Leopard would be "All 64 bit" (on supported platforms, at least), nobody should be in the least surprised that the Finder is finally being ported from Carbon to Cocoa.

It's well known that Apple has decided not to port the Carbon GUI elements from 32-bit to 64 bit, so if they're going to be able to make good on their 64-bit promise, it follows inescapably that they'll have to weed out any of their own code that still makes use of the Carbon API.

I'm still proceeding under the assumption that the 32-bit subsystems (including Carbon) will still be provided for compatibility with existing software from 3rd party vendors, but I take it that Apple won't make use of any of it in software that comes with the OS itself.
 
Yeah, but will Snow Leopard come with a FireWire port? If it doesn't, I'm OUT!!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :cool:

Maybe, just maybe, Snow Leopard will come with some sort of rewriting of the Ethernet drivers so that FW over Ethernet becomes possible.

Yes the wiki on 1394c implies that hardware changes are needed too, but maybe with Apple's control they might find a way of doing it in software. (especially if the aim is to recreate 4-pin FW i.e. with no bus power)
 
Snow Leopard is looking more and more awesome, the more I find out about it. Sure, for end users there's not much to cheer about. Under the hood, though - whoa, Apple's set themselves a tough task. Just think about all the things they need to implement before Snow Leopard's release, and testing them all fully by their self-imposed 1-year deadline... :eek:

Anyway, this Image Boot feature is especially handy for me - as a developer I frequently need to test on previous versions of Mac OS X.
 
Lets hope they include mounting Read/Write FTP!!! Like windows and linux have had for years!

That probably has more to do with the FTP framework/filesystem... but I still want it!
Get Macfusion (free) or Expandrive (~$20 but a bit more robust, reconnects after sleep, network change). Particularly Expandrive works like a charm.
 
Let's hope they finally remove all that debugging code that's making OS X so slow :)
 
Good, this should mean that Finder gets anchored selections (like Mail). Maybe they can do the same to iTunes as well while they are at it.
 
I really like the idea of Snow Leopard being a cleaned-out release that getts rid of all the old commented-out code, but some of the things I'm seeing makes me wonder if Apple is headed towards becoming 'Just Another Windows Box.'

Apple's move to the Intel platform is understandable considering the lack of support they were getting from IBM and Motorola, but it seems more and more that Apple is trying to find a way to 'merge' with Windows... becoming so compatible as to make almost no difference. I always felt that the switch to Intel was an interim move until Apple could start design and production of a new level of PPC chips, and Apple's purchase of that one chip fabricating company was a move in that direction. But The farther along we go, the more I see Apple trying to drive itself into irrelevancy. I truly hope I'm wrong.

Now, if this apparent direction is designed towards allowing Windows apps to run on the Mac without a VM, then maybe its a good thing; but it's going to get so close that it seems almost impossible to keep OS X from running on just any ol' hardware out there and ruining OS X and the Mac as a platform; taking it down the same road Microsoft is fighting with poor hardware compatibility (due to driver issues, mostly.)

Where is Apple going? What is Apple doing to maintain its Leader status in the tech world?

Not sure what your driving at, but the way I see it (oh gee, I sound like a starbucks cup.. hey, I need a starbucks fix right now).....

I don't think apple is trying to drive itself into irrelevancy. what I think is MS has a few good apps that businesses are used to and will not go away from anytime soon (Exchange, MS-SQL, .NET, Back Office [although office 2007 is yucky in my opinion]). It take an aweful long time to get management to redo an entire infrustructure of a company...

However, most people are fed up with crappy PC hardware that never gets real innovation (only speed updates), and seems to break more than apple's hardware. I mean, look at the trackpad an finger gesters - no PC can to that.

So what apple is doing is poising themself as a leader for when Everyone gets sick of PC's and the Windows Operating system. About the only good Windows OS's I find are on servers as they do not try to run all the glitz and just sticks to supporting apps and running hardware. Most home and small businesses are moving to Apple hardware and OSX for the stability.

I think with that and businesses using Linux servers and running a windows OS virtualized, I think it makes sense. Most windows crappy-ness has been on the desktop/laptop.

Plus, everyone loves having more than one OS. I like virtual machines better as all I have to do it trash a virtual machine hard disk and reload it with an image, should something mess up, yet my main OS installation stays clean - that is great for development.

No, I think apple got it right. although in a few years when Apple is the majority, people will think it is just another computer. until then, I think apple is on the right track.

However with that said and these updates - I think major work and an overhaul may be coming with iwork... I mean a lot of people are disappointed in OFFICE 2007(WIN)/2008(MAC) and wish it go back to the Office 2004(MAC)/2003(WIN) versions. I know I do as they got rid of alot of what I use and made everything else difficult [like why can I not copy/paste anymore, 50% of the time it does not work - especially in outlook].

No, I think Apple may surprise us in the next year or two...

Cleaner OS
More integrated apps
support for other OS's and integration.

things were different when it was the windows monopoly. I think now that is over and people are looking to:

1. Best OS for My Use
2. If I need an app that is not on my OS, there better be a way to run that OS easily.
3. the whole business mantra is changing and we will see more mixed hardware and software as people look to cut expendature, but increase styability and productivity. this whole, its my way or the highway mentality is out the door. Now it is ok, whatever gets the job done quickly, costs less, and is atleast 95% correct.

This is where I think Apple is going to make inroads into corporate America. Start with the home, hobbyist, small business.. then when those are in charge see how easy Apple is and how stable, then they will look to bring it more into the corporate business world.

Plus, with technology, the big office is going away and more people work from home, their cars, hotels etc. make sense to allow the end user to use whatever they are comfortable with and then connect into the headquarters servers. increases morale and productivity. I would not be surprised if we see a shift in industry where the end users buy and support their own equipment for work, but have corporate support for connecting into servers through a VPN....
 
Remember, iMovie 08 was a complete rewrite of iMovie HD. And look where that got us. A totally useless interface that only video newbies would appreciate. Which, in turn, also shut down an entire Plug-in industry that put their trust, effort, and capitol into the Apple signature iLife application--let alone those who payed for such plugins.

I'm all for cleaning up code and going on diets to prevent bloat. But don't go and give us a completely new way of doing things... AGAIN!

iMovie is (and was) very much designed for amateurs. Like iTunes, it is not meant to be a super powerful program, just one that works well for casual use. I think '08 was just reinforcing that concept.

If you want good video editing, then go with Final Cut. It has hundreds of great plug-ins, IS the industry standard, and is powerful as bejesus.

Obviously the $200 price tag of Final Cut Express is hard to swallow when iMovie is included with OS X.
However, you can (or could) still download the last version of iMovie from :apple:, so your complaint is....?

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Just checked the :apple: website, and you CAN still get iMovie HD 6 (a.k.a. iMovie '06)
Link: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
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BOOTING FROM DISK IMAGE WILL BE FREAKING AWESOME!

I was just backing up my system yesterday thinking they should try to do that. What a huge advantage. Backing up your system will be so easy.
 
Really excited about 10.6!

Someone wanted to call it more a 10.5.x update than a real new 10.6... :confused: ARE YOU NUTS???
Snow Leopard seems a HUGE new OS. Open CL, Grand Central, Cocoa Finder, "Real" Exchange support, QuickTime X....
Changes schamanges. Apple needs to add a fat, semi-transparent border around all the windows and then we'll be off to revolution city, baby! Boom.
 
sorry for the noob q, if I get a new mb, will I have to pay for snow lepod? Is it like xp to vista?
 
iMovie is (and was) very much designed for amateurs. Like iTunes, it is not meant to be a super powerful program, just one that works well for casual use. I think '08 was just reinforcing that concept.

If you want good video editing, then go with Final Cut. It has hundreds of great plug-ins, IS the industry standard, and is powerful as bejesus.

Obviously the $200 price tag of Final Cut Express is hard to swallow when iMovie is included with OS X.
However, you can (or could) still download the last version of iMovie from :apple:, so your complaint is....?

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Just checked the :apple: website, and you CAN still get iMovie HD 6 (a.k.a. iMovie '06)
Link: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
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You can still download it, I just did... I am still learning Final Cut Express, but could run circles around Premiere Elements. imovie 7 (in ilife08) was a little disappointing for my needs, when it comes to advance editing. I think what he was talking about was the plug in package called "Slick Filmmaker Kit". I bought it and the rep at the apple store said that iMovie 7 includes iMovie HD 6. Wrong! I went to slick's website and it explained everything. I downloaded iMovie HD 6 and have been happy. Gave me everything I was used to in Premiere Elements, which I am still figuring out on FCE.

I think most consumers are not into advanced editing, and the whole point of ilife is "make it simple for the home user", thus why the new imovie is so basic.

We more advanced users and power users see that as a drawback, but I think that is why apple came out with there $299 version of Final Cut Express. A step down from the $1500 prefessional version, yet more power than the simplicity the average home user needs.
 
Bring back the best MAC OS Finder :mad: and add more features!!!
MAC OS X finder SUCKS!!! I don't want anything else.
 

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Sorry to dampen the high spirits but a Cocoa implementation of the Finder would work exactly the same as the Carbon one. I expect the only reason they are doing this is so they can make a 64-bit implementation as they scrapped their 64 Carbon support.

It would in no way be inherently faster or more stable just because they have changed the framework.

However a rewrite is a good excuse for apple to add a number of new features and sort out a number of problems. Let's hope they get it right this time.
 
sorry for the noob q, if I get a new mb, will I have to pay for snow lepod? Is it like xp to vista?

Yes you will have to pay unless you wait until Snow Leopard is released and you buy one with it pre-installed.

And it is not like XP to Vista. It is more like Vista to Windows 7 with a lot of attention paid to fixing bugs and speeding up and add support for modern technologies.
 
I can't help but think that these announcements are just going to heighten people's expectations to a level where no matter how "snappy" it is, they'll still be let down because it doesn't wipe their ass for them.

Too many people expect too many things because they're used to being wow'd. The Snow Leopard launch is going to be littered with negative-consumed articles on the MacRumors front page because it doesn't do x,y,z; because Apple hasn't done it their way.

Apple should continue to differentiate from Microsoft, and I agree that this "trying to please everyone" compatibility thing is ultimately going to bite them, but seriously.. 12" MBP? iTablet? what a load of balls.
 
Bring back the best MAC OS Finder :mad: and add more features!!!
MAC OS X finder SUCKS!!! I don't want anything else.

No way. Mac OS Finder had some nice touches, but overall OS X Finder is way better, especially if it's being done in Cocoa for Snow Leopard. I'm sure it'll get done right.
 
The idea that the Finder being coded in the carbon API makes it somehow unusable or "grossly inferior" to a cocoa API application is almost complete BS. I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference (if the feature set were unchanged) between the two. The reason that Apple is moving the Finder to cocoa is not because carbon inherently sucks ass, it is because they are focusing on cocoa as their 64bit development platform and they want 10.6 to be 64bit clean.
 
Yippee!!

Snow leopard does seem better every second. I'm getting ready for a macbook pro next year with nehalem and snow...

I think Apple wants a clean start next year. After snow, they'll say:

We have just one year old newly designed laptops that come with the newest fastest intel chip with an amazing OS.

We have dominant IPods in media industry and the best smartphone ever.

And everything is CLEAN! (I.E. no bugs and such). Everything is ready to be upgraded with new innovations next year XD
 
Sorry to dampen the high spirits but a Cocoa implementation of the Finder would work exactly the same as the Carbon one. I expect the only reason they are doing this is so they can make a 64-bit implementation as they scrapped their 64 Carbon support.

It would in no way be inherently faster or more stable just because they have changed the framework.

However a rewrite is a good excuse for apple to add a number of new features and sort out a number of problems. Let's hope they get it right this time.

Im not so sure about that, Finder has seen little changes since its inception and is still likely based upon the code written when OSX wasnt apples main OS.
Carbon has since proved its self and become much more widely used, i suspect apple is using the knowledge it has built up to bring finder up to speed. The fact it has 64 bit support will mean it is faster on Intel 64bit processors.

Different frameworks can perform better when doing the same task i have found but i cant prove this.
 
No way. Mac OS Finder had some nice touches, but overall OS X Finder is way better, especially if it's being done in Cocoa for Snow Leopard. I'm sure it'll get done right.

How about giving us both :)
Just modernize OS 9 Finder with cocoa and you get your crappy finder running on top of mine ;)

:D
 
All this take about the Mac OS finder really makes me miss OS 9.2.2:(

Sadly I disagree that Apple will get it right. 10.6 will almost certainly be broken.
 
maybe the Finder will make an iMovie HD 6 -> iMovie '08 type transition.
If that is what you want, then no 3rd party applications will work with it. It will be a completely new interface that does not resemble any other application (inconsistent interface structure and color scheme). Designed to please newbies and not power users. Will only play one sound at a time. Only work in compliance with Apple software. 50% less usable, but prettier and irritably clever.
 
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