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Snow Leopard's Boot Camp Includes HFS+ Windows Drivers

robinp said:
will this work with mac os x software RAID volumes?
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If you bootcamp into Windows, then Mac OS X isn't running. If a Mac OS X program was providing the RAID access it isn't running either.

The partitions that are part of the RAID set up aren't really HFS+ ones. (not sure what kind of label gets placed on them because really not any of the normal ones.)
 
MikhailT said:
What is so important about having it in client version of SL? Majority of the users are not going to need it. Servers, I understand, not client right now.
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If they put sofware RAID into all of the client editions why not ZFS?
Software RAID is a subset of what ZFS does and is better at it in several aspects. ZFS also has features that enhance data integrity? Why is that a server only thing? Data on clients is less valuable?

Certainly, the logical volume management stuff isn't really going to come into play on a MacBook Air with a single disk drive. However, a mini, iMac , and/or Mac Pro with 2-3 drives attached can easily leverage that if someone is doing direct attached storage of large volume of data. If it very large files and only that machine is going to crunch the data then pushing it to a Mac Server and bring it back AFS/NFS/Samba/whatever is going to be substantively slower.

If want to bootcamp into windows and still get to it... that would be a problem. I doubt there is a "driver install" for ZFS into Windows. It doesn't "plug in" that way.
 
Oh now this is good news! Guess I'll be waving goodbye to MacDrive.

bbotte said:
my VMware Fusion PC already does this....

VMWare Fusion > Bootcamp
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Except it's not. Bootcamp is the fastest method of running Windows on a Mac.
 
So far the feature list of Snow Leopard hasn't wowed me a whole lot, so for me, this is a really good addition and could potentially make my life a lot easier.
 
God, I hope they add Windows 7 support to the table. I can then "deactivate" my Windows Vista License (Which I activated on my Mac) and then use it on the PC I am building :D And if 7 is enabled on Boot Camp (openly, like in the install confirmation screen "You need a bona-fide Windows XP, Vista, 7 32-Bit/64-Bit Install DVD....." I can keep windows on my Mac and run GTAIV on that too like my PC (which btw, WILL BE RUNNING OSX. I dont care HOW i do it, im gonna MAKE it :D)

Thanks,


P.S. If that seems a little rushed/confusing I just ingested a Rockstar drink :D
 
Nice.That's a subtle improvement but a great one.But how about the legendary 'ZFS"?
I am really eager to have a taste of that.Does this mean "ZFS" won't show up in Snow Leopard?
 
NoSmokingBandit said:
I wonder how long it will takes the driver package to hit a torrent site...
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Haha then I wonder how long before Apple's lawyers are knocking down doors... Apple's pre-releases are much better guarded, me thinks, and I imagine they have ways of tracking whose disk made it onto the site and sue their @$$ into the ground. Even screenshots of the new stacks drill down / roll up features apparently were a violation of the NDA and were removed...

Sorry to get all serious on what was probably a light-hearted comment. And don't get me wrong, I would kill to get those drivers right now in the absence of Macdrive on my Win7 install (bastards :mad:)
 
deconstruct60 said:
If they put sofware RAID into all of the client editions why not ZFS?
Software RAID is a subset of what ZFS does and is better at it in several aspects. ZFS also has features that enhance data integrity? Why is that a server only thing? Data on clients is less valuable?

Certainly, the logical volume management stuff isn't really going to come into play on a MacBook Air with a single disk drive. However, a mini, iMac , and/or Mac Pro with 2-3 drives attached can easily leverage that if someone is doing direct attached storage of large volume of data. If it very large files and only that machine is going to crunch the data then pushing it to a Mac Server and bring it back AFS/NFS/Samba/whatever is going to be substantively slower.

If want to bootcamp into windows and still get to it... that would be a problem. I doubt there is a "driver install" for ZFS into Windows. It doesn't "plug in" that way.
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Data is data. Servers deal with huge amount of data and often have multiple drives in RAID0/1 and that's why ZFS will be ported to the Server first because that's where its needed right now and we can get a lot of testing done over there.

ZFS is awesome, I agree. But as I said, majority of users (typical mac user) do not need ZFS right now, they are perfectly fine with HFS+ and FAT32/NTFS external drives but they are not going to risk it right now with new ZFS file system support if it hasn't been tested fully yet. ( I am assuming you are talking about using ZFS on storage drives and not booting drive).

Software RAID has been tested for years and is stable and that's why its there. ZFS is a brand new port for OS X.Yes It has been tested in Solaris for years but we're talking about ZFS support inside OS X, they are not the same thing.

And why would you use Software RAID on external drives? that doesn't make sense to me nor does it make sense for majority of mac users to do.

Using ZFS as the default root file system for OS X is a completely different story and I don't see that happening for another few years. It is a huge undertaking project and could be more complicated than switching from PPC to Intel.
 
aquaibm said:
Nice.That's a subtle improvement but a great one.But how about the legendary 'ZFS"?
I am really eager to have a taste of that.Does this mean "ZFS" won't show up in Snow Leopard?
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ZFS should be supported in the server version of SL but are not expected for the client version. It may just show up in 10.6.1 update if Apple feels ZFS support is very stable.
 
Unfortunately whomever wrote this left out all the important bits. Like, will there be write access? will this drivers be available without bootcamp (ie. on an actual windows machine)?

It's amusing to see all this screaming for peoples new favorite format: Ext4, ZFS, UFS, etc... which I'm confident all but a very few have ever actually used. Most people in this thread clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about. Yes, ZFS is cool but using it on your 320GB boot drive inside your MacBook is probably a really dumb idea. All file systems have trade offs between reliability, scalability and speed... NO reliability doesn't always win, we often gladly trade it for speed.

Finally, so much progress has been made in the last couple years on the FUSE front that file systems are finally becoming less cumbersome to move between. Note I don't just mean MacFUSE and NTFS-3G, there is a lot more FUSE work going on than just that.
 
Honestly I don't see myself using this feature much, but what I'd really really like would be for Boot Camp to stop using the ****ing Legacy ATA mode on my Mac Pro, and enable AHCI like it should.
 
I found something interesting on Apple's website that could potentially be a lead to when 10.5.7 will come out.

When browsing through the store, I came across advertising for The Sims 3 pre-orders.

http://store.apple.com/us (Below the MacBooks)

It says that The Sims 3 will come out June 2nd. Looking at the specs for the game, it says that it will require OS X 10.5.7.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV928?mco=NzI2NDc0

Could this mean that the very latest we can expect 10.5.7 to come out will be June 2nd? I don't know how likely this would be, but if the update keeps getting delayed from the rumored dates, I think that this could show at least the last possible day.
 
Good new for us Dual booting OSx and Windows

" MacRumors has learned that Apple's Boot Camp utility under Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard will include Windows HFS+ drivers, which will allow Windows installations to read Mac OS X HFS+ formatted partitions. "

On that note I'm going to wait for snow leopard before I even bother installing windows 7.

so much for macdrive.
 
illegallydead said:
Apple's pre-releases are much better guarded
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Nope.

grue said:
Honestly I don't see myself using this feature much, but what I'd really really like would be for Boot Camp to stop using the ****ing Legacy ATA mode on my Mac Pro, and enable AHCI like it should.
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You're in luck!

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=126089

I've used both the shell script (Windows 7 64-bit) and GRUB (Windows Vista 64-bit & Ubuntu 8.10 & 9.04) with success on my early 2008 Mac Pro octocore. This enables the two extra SATA ports as well. All I did was follow the given instructions so if you've got questions ask over there :)

It's really easy. So easy even Apple could do it as a fix for AHCI via Apple Update. HINT HINT (make with the fan fix too, jerks)
 
illegallydead said:
Haha then I wonder how long before Apple's lawyers are knocking down doors... Apple's pre-releases are much better guarded, me thinks, and I imagine they have ways of tracking whose disk made it onto the site and sue their @$$ into the ground. Even screenshots of the new stacks drill down / roll up features apparently were a violation of the NDA and were removed...

Sorry to get all serious on what was probably a light-hearted comment. And don't get me wrong, I would kill to get those drivers right now in the absence of Macdrive on my Win7 install (bastards :mad:)
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The Snow Leo dev copies have been on TPB for a while. Apple really cant do anything to stop it, no matter who hard they try. Heck, some guys have already installed 10.6 on their hackintosh.
Im just hoping somone takes the driver pack and makes a separate torrent for it so its not a 6gb download just to get the hfs drivers.
Not that i download torrents or anything...
:cool:
 
I have MacDrive installed then uninstalled it as it allowed Windows users (or malware) to exfiltrate data from my Mac...I see this as something Apple needs to allow us to selectively install or not. Or force authentication prior to connecting to certain folders or drives...or make filevault better.
 
jb510 said:
Unfortunately whomever wrote this left out all the important bits. Like, will there be write access? will this drivers be available without bootcamp (ie. on an actual windows machine)?

It's amusing to see all this screaming for peoples new favorite format: Ext4, ZFS, UFS, etc... which I'm confident all but a very few have ever actually used. Most people in this thread clearly don't have a clue what they are talking about. Yes, ZFS is cool but using it on your 320GB boot drive inside your MacBook is probably a really dumb idea. All file systems have trade offs between reliability, scalability and speed... NO reliability doesn't always win, we often gladly trade it for speed.

Finally, so much progress has been made in the last couple years on the FUSE front that file systems are finally becoming less cumbersome to move between. Note I don't just mean MacFUSE and NTFS-3G, there is a lot more FUSE work going on than just that.
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Nobody is screaming for any file systems, they are specifically talking about ZFS which has been touted to be added as one of the file systems that Apple will support. That's why they are talking about when will it show up. Read-only ZFS did show up in Leopard for a whlie. ZFS makes sense on SANs, direct connected storage units like Multibay External drives via eSATA|Firewire 800.

However, I agree with the fact ZFS is still not needed on the client side for a while. Let ZFS continues to improve over time as the features continues to get added, performance gains, maturity always help and so on.
 
MacRumors said:
MacRumors has learned that Apple's Boot Camp utility under Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard will include Windows HFS+ drivers, which will allow Windows installations to read Mac OS X HFS+ formatted partitions.
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If you upgrade to snow leopard will you need to reinstall the windows setup as well or will it still work with the new version of bootcamp?
 
baconabuse said:
You're in luck!

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=126089

I've used both the shell script (Windows 7 64-bit) and GRUB (Windows Vista 64-bit & Ubuntu 8.10 & 9.04) with success on my early 2008 Mac Pro octocore. This enables the two extra SATA ports as well. All I did was follow the given instructions so if you've got questions ask over there :)

It's really easy. So easy even Apple could do it as a fix for AHCI via Apple Update. HINT HINT (make with the fan fix too, jerks)
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Oh, it can be done, and I have done it, I really just loathe the fact that I have to do it in the first place.
 
Well I've been using MacDrive ever since 2006 and I've never had a virus on XP (the most used OS on my iMac too), therefore my OSX drive has been safe too.
 
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