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just out of curiosity how do you have any idea what is a set in stone feature and what isn't? Apple has showed some of the new features of iOS 6 to the public and that is it.

The features that have not been shown chances are still feature lock and only minor bug fixes. Anything the public sees (or the developers can download right now) are at that point.

It is way to close to final release for new stuff to be added.
 
The features that have not been shown chances are still feature lock and only minor bug fixes. Anything the public sees (or the developers can download right now) are at that point.

It is way to close to final release for new stuff to be added.

new stuff yes but there are features apple withholds from developer beta's and only tests internally until GM. We have no way of knowing whether offline maps will be enabled with the launch of iOS 6 to the public.
 
new stuff yes but there are features apple withholds from developer beta's and only tests internally until GM. We have no way of knowing whether offline maps will be enabled with the launch of iOS 6 to the public.

Since maps is already out to the public it is not hidden. You are hoping for way to much to see that part added. The only things we are not seeing are iPhone 5 stuff only.
 
Since maps is already out to the public it is not hidden. You are hoping for way to much to see that part added. The only things we are not seeing are iPhone 5 stuff only.

It very well could be something we see on the next iPhone. I don't think I'd ever use maps offline, I'd much prefer the couple gb of space for other things as opposed to maps.
 
It very well could be something we see on the next iPhone. I don't think I'd ever use maps offline, I'd much prefer the couple gb of space for other things as opposed to maps.

Me personally I like how google does it. Just grab the 10 by 10 areas you need. I personally have grabbed for my phone the area's I am in most of the time. that way I at least have the maps when the internet if flacky. The over lays will not be working (aka traffic) but the maps do.
 
Yikes is all I have to say if you judge an OS's
advancedness" based on its GPS.

If you want even better navigation buy a dedicated GPS like Tom Tom and Garmin.

Although a GPS is nice to have, I buy a phone to use as a phone and I'm sure many others do too.

Well that is the only big advancement in iOS 6.
 
I don't think I'd ever use maps offline, I'd much prefer the couple gb of space for other things as opposed to maps.
the world doesn't end on the US border! In europe most countries are smaller than Texas! And roaming-costs on mobile Data are very high, no one uses data-roaming.
 
That is yet to be proven as anything more than a gimmick and not something you should rely on, at all. You'll end up going the wrong way, or driving a long way only to get stuck in the same traffic again.

I do like crowd-sourced traffic, though.

TomTom does traffic very well. It has routed me around jams many times, I know because I either saw the traffic in front of me right before I took the detour, or because my friend kept going into the traffic, and I got to the destinaton in half the time :)
 
the world doesn't end on the US border! In europe most countries are smaller than Texas! And roaming-costs on mobile Data are very high, no one uses data-roaming.

but i thought i'd fall off the edge of the world if i left the US!!!:p
this is true and i can see how being able to have all maps stored locally in full or being able to cache the area you want ahead of time would be a great feature for most people.
 
Not to add fuel to the fire, but I have yet to see a phone or tablet work as well as a navigation system as a decent built in one. I've been in cars using iPhones, iPads and Android phones with their baked in turn by turn or apps such as TomTom, but they don't come close to the accuracy of the system I used on a 2003 BMW 5 series.

From what I gather, most phones etc suck at accuracy as they are working with a dampened signal, whereas built-in GPS units have not only dedicated antennas, but also use information from the ABS (et al) to measure distance travelled and therefore further increase accuracy.

The only advantage a phone has is that it can be mounted on the dash above the steering wheel in case ones vehicle isn't fitted with a HUD. Or, as in my case, on the bars of my bicycle. But the routing is terrible through some of the built up parts of Munich, so it's more of a general guide than a real turn by turn.
 
What I don't get is why people are complaining about this etc, there are plenty of apps at the present to do all of this and more. Last time I checked my Navigon app does offline turn by turn just fine and the maps interface looks superb.

Also it still even works on old as hell phones like the iPhone 3G and devices without a GPS like an iPod touch with a GPS attachment.

You don't have to use the apple maps you know.

Offline maps for WP8? Free
Offline maps for Android? Free
Offline maps for iOS? >$30 for 1 country/region ONLY.

you know, you are right, we don't have to use apple maps. But you jolly well better have the cash to buy some decent map apps. I highly recommend TomTom for iOS. Dont forget to buy the same for other regions while you are at it
 
Not to add fuel to the fire, but I have yet to see a phone or tablet work as well as a navigation system as a decent built in one. I've been in cars using iPhones, iPads and Android phones with their baked in turn by turn or apps such as TomTom, but they don't come close to the accuracy of the system I used on a 2003 BMW 5 series.

From what I gather, most phones etc suck at accuracy as they are working with a dampened signal, whereas built-in GPS units have not only dedicated antennas, but also use information from the ABS (et al) to measure distance travelled and therefore further increase accuracy.

The only advantage a phone has is that it can be mounted on the dash above the steering wheel in case ones vehicle isn't fitted with a HUD. Or, as in my case, on the bars of my bicycle. But the routing is terrible through some of the built up parts of Munich, so it's more of a general guide than a real turn by turn.

I agree with you. But I use a combination of both. My iPhone to check traffic and find places. And then use the GPS in the dash of my car for turn-by-turn. The iPhone turn-by-turn apps from my experience just don't compare. I've tried all the various nav apps - TomTom, Navigon, etc. They just don't have the fluidity and accuracy as the dedicated GPS.
 
Then this error,


"Cannot provide directions,
The map server is unavalible"

must mean it's working offline for me. :rolleyes:


Hey - it may even be exactly how the offline support is supposed to function!

The issue here is that you guys aren't making a clear distinction between being able to get directions/maps while offline and actually using the directions while offline. Clearly iOS 6 doesn't include offline maps of the entire world, so loading a set of directions is going to require a network connection. However, once everything has been cached, you should be able to proceed with the navigation without needing a network connection, unless you need to change your route substantially.
 
The issue here is that you guys aren't making a clear distinction between being able to get directions/maps while offline and actually using the directions while offline. Clearly iOS 6 doesn't include offline maps of the entire world, so loading a set of directions is going to require a network connection. However, once everything has been cached, you should be able to proceed with the navigation without needing a network connection, unless you need to change your route substantially.

If you're just going off of that, an android phone can do the same thing, with or without the offline maps functionality, and has done so, for quite some time. Even when out of range, in the middle of a trip, the device can still give voice directions.

However, the only kid left standing is, really, now just Apple. Now they *could* add in map caching or full blown downloading, but honestly, I don't see that happening. Not while they have to work with TomTom for the info (and compete with TomTom's own iOS navigation apps - and not when WP8 and Android support SD cards to help palliate the data storage requirements). At least MS gets it from an unnaturally close & desperate partner - Nokia - and Google makes their own maps.
 
Not to add fuel to the fire, but I have yet to see a phone or tablet work as well as a navigation system as a decent built in one. I've been in cars using iPhones, iPads and Android phones with their baked in turn by turn or apps such as TomTom, but they don't come close to the accuracy of the system I used on a 2003 BMW 5 series.

From what I gather, most phones etc suck at accuracy as they are working with a dampened signal, whereas built-in GPS units have not only dedicated antennas, but also use information from the ABS (et al) to measure distance travelled and therefore further increase accuracy.

The only advantage a phone has is that it can be mounted on the dash above the steering wheel in case ones vehicle isn't fitted with a HUD. Or, as in my case, on the bars of my bicycle. But the routing is terrible through some of the built up parts of Munich, so it's more of a general guide than a real turn by turn.

Or people could get a regular car GPS.

Mine isn't built-in, there's a suction back that sticks to the windshield. I barely use the thing anymore though. It's easier to just study the map for a minute at home before heading out.
 
turn-by-turn with offline maps is free if you have a Android or WP8-Phone, your BMW is 40.000 plus 3.000 for the optional SatNav

so much for the only advantage :rolleyes:

Actually, it's a €25 one-time sign up fee, and then you pay by the minute (which includes fuel, taxes, maintenance and insurance) to drive the latest 1 series or Mini here in Munich, all with GPS. Considering how little I need to drive, I'll probably spend less on the DriveNow car sharing than the average smart-phone user spends on upgrading every year.
 
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