Just received a new MBP which is the latest batch as it took over a week to come from Shanghai, Coconut Battery reports it was manufacturer 3 weeks ago which is correct and it came preinstalled with 10.5.4. No striping issues or any other issues like previous MBP manufactured at revision.
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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?
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Don't want to ruin your joy, but on my old MBP, the striped didn't appear until after at least three weeks and most of the graphics issues people are experiencing didn't appear until after the first year warranty ran out....that's the problem!
Could we please stop the fud? Nvidia officially said in its last 8k statement that they have fixed their manufacturing. They had a flaw in their manufacturing pipeline concerning die packaging and they fixed it.
If yours stopped working after warranty ran out, you had an old model. Anybody who bought from June or earlier should be fine.
Not everybody. Statements can be made up to save their own asses. Mine was manufactured AFTER June and is still giving me unexplained graphical glitches.
I'll be funny to see the reaction on their face when those that doubts this is a serious issue finds their laptop went out on them one day.
Do you actually know this as a fact? The reality is that there are lots of people experiencing graphics issues who got their MBPs recently. It may or may not be related to the chips, but since Apple doesn't come out and give clear information to its customers, we don't know. Also, it's not like Apple gets these chips directly for Nvidia AS they are manufacturing their computers. Who knows how long between manufacturing at Nvidia and inclusion in Apple's laptops. The MBP displays I've had in my recent MBPs were all manufactured in 2007, some in the first quarter of 2007.
If Apple would act responsibly toward its customers and give them information (like Dell and HP have....), none of this would be an issue at all.
I brought my MBP about a month and a half ago. The only issues i get are that sometimes in WOW people apear bright white with no clothes on... and if i wake the laptop after its been asleep and scroll in safari or iTunes the page flickers quite dramatically. After a Reboot the issues go away tho. Does this sound like it could lead to larger problems? I really dont want to be using it and it completely die on me
Don't bother, everyone is convinced that every single macbook pro ever will die because of this problem that is being publicized by one heavily biased website that no one takes seriously. And before someone posts a Cnet article or something, they ALL quote the Inq.
If you didn't buy the extended Applecare, that's on you. It's not a salesman trying to get a warranty on your toaster when it would be cheaper to just buy another. Any work that a laptop needs WILL be expensive.
Listen, there IS a problem and it has to do with communication by both Nvidia and Apple. The reason people are worried is that Apple has refused to comment on a problem that potentially affects millions of its notebooks. They're also not commenting on last year's MBP GPUs which we know are affected because Nvidia has admitted that. Silence sometimes speaks louder than words. Both Dell and HP have come out and admitted the issue and have taken some measures to address it, but Apple is silent as if their chips from nvidia are immune to the problems.
If this becomes a much larger issue than it is, Apple is to blame.
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Let's not get hysterical. Just because Nvidia has fixed the issue they talked about in their SEC statement doesn't mean that suddenly Apple produces solely flawless machines from now on. Computer hardware has been sold over 70 years. There hasn't been any era where there hadn't been some faulty machines within millions or thousands sold. This won't change just because Nvidia has fixed this single problem.
Suddenly any faulty machine you hear of isn't just a faulty egg as there have always been some, but it must be part of this whole collective sphere of sorrow called the mysterious Nvidia bug and the huge conspiracy behind it.
Suddenly any faulty machine you hear of isn't just a faulty egg as there have always been some, but it must be part of this whole collective sphere of sorrow called the mysterious Nvidia bug and the huge conspiracy behind it.
You're throwing terms like "FUD" about and asking worried people to "stop it" like they should just be able to turn off lingering worries like that. People are worried because some sort of issue with MBP graphics clearly does/did exist.
Do you even know what "FUD" stands for?
Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are all perfectly reasonable responses to a possibly "fatal" problem with a very expensive system. When there clearly is/has been some kind of issue, it isn't down to us to "stop the fud", it's up to Apple. They can come clean about what has happened and what they're going to do in order to fix any issues that might exist. Dell and HP are handling the issues with their kit as well as they can, while Apple maintain a stony silence.
If Apple are not and never have been affected by this problem, Apple can "stop the FUD" by saying so, and hopefully explaining why so many people have been having issues and what they are going to do about that.
If Apple are/were affected by this problem, Apple can "stop the FUD" by saying so and offering one of their "special replacement programs" for any affected machine in or out of warranty, during the reasonable lifetime for that machine. And pass the bill for that service onto nvidia.
Some posts raise the suspicion that there still is a problem with current chips. That's a different point than the question wether or not you are screwed with an old machine. The latter is a valid point, the former FUD. Nvidia filed to the SEC that they have modified their production process to adjust to the problem. Lying to the SEC would be a crime. There's no indication at all to believe that the problem still exists.
The people, who are screwed today, have paid for not more than one year of warranty. They could have bought more, but they didn't. Apple does replace logic boards within warranty without question. Servicing sold units years after purchase is very expensive, especially concerning exchanges of the most expensive unit, the logic board. Apple sometimes does this as a favor to its customers (or if they can make someone else pay for this). This time the favor, if paid for by Apple, would just be too expensive. Rest assured that Apple is trying to make Nvidia pay, who is to blame. And they will pass this on to their customers if they can. Personally I'm very glad, that Apple didn't go the cheap route by making a noisy notebook out of a premium, quiet one by updating the SMC software. I got my MBP's (produced in March) logic board replaced in July. Even after excessive heat cycling the error didn't show up again. My machine is fine and as quiet as it ever was. Unlike Dell customers who are using noisier machines today than they once bought.
Newsflash to a lot of the people in this thread: consumers have to take the necessary steps to protect themselves. Many fail to grasp this concept, but it's the most important in our capitalist society. Whether it's looking up an ingredient on a food package, finding out if your kids' toys are made with lead-based paint, or using your credit card to get a free extended warranty on a new computer, you have to look out for yourself. You have to make the effort, because a corporation sure as heck isn't going to.
Apple doesn't give a hoot if someone saved up all their money five years working as a paper boy, only to have their $2,000 Macbook Pro poop out a few days after the warranty expired. Apple doesn't care if you don't have the money to repair it. Apple cares about the bottom line, and is designed and legally protected to maximize profits.
Apple might have come to the conclusion that most of these graphic chips will fail in year 2, year 3, or later. Why would they recognize the problem? Why would they acknowledge a problem like this? It's cost-benefit analysis, and the nature of the beast.
Not only that, but we should also hold our elected officials responsible for passing legislation that protects us from large corporations. That's their job and they often fail miserably at it. There is no way the average consumer/human can protect themselves against large corporations (who spend millions on hiring professionals to make sure consumers are toothless against them through complex legal language and fine print) by simply being diligent before buying thigs. Once you've bought, you have little real leverage and that's where you need strong consumer friendly laws that make sure companies keep their end of the deal and stand by their services in a reasonable way.
Then why can't Apple say so? You'll notice I didn't argue about the correctness of your point in my original reply. I simply said that it is up to Apple to reassure customers.
I'd always suggest to people that they pay for a decent warranty on a laptop. I'd also say that any laptop that is used "reasonably" but fails within 2 years of purchase is either incredibly cheap or has a design fault, and people should be able to get design faults fixed outside the 1 year warranty period.
I haven't called apple support yet but I do plan on calling tomorrow. What should I expect? I'm afraid they will make me pay huge sums of money in order to repair my MBP. It's only been 2 months after the initial warranty and I haven't bought the extended applecare service. The laptop is in excellent condition.
It's ridiculous that I paid $2500 for this machine with a defective GPU chip.
It's ridiculous that I paid $2500 for this machine with a defective GPU chip.
That's the new you talking. The old you didn't want to spend $350 to avoid much more costly repairs in the future. Oh the irony. But don't worry, you can blame the big bad corporation for that
Also, in response to the other post along the lines that the government should protect citizens from big corporations. Too bad the big corporations have more money than we do
I have a slightly different angle here than many of you, because I work in computer retail, and people come in with broken computers and rants mirroring the posts here. And when they are AMAZED (!!) at the bill for the proposed work, they get angry and wonder why their now expired warranty isn't getting them anything. I don't have much sympathy for someone who DEMANDS help for free (As if they're ENTITLED to it or something) when he passed up on that chance because the price was $350 as opposed to the $800 he's looking at now.
Now, anyone can tell you that you can usually get what you want by being polite, firm, and friendly, and your efforts will pay of nicely.
I'll read the hate mail from this post in the morning
Ug.
Also, in response to the other post along the lines that the government should protect citizens from big corporations. Too bad the big corporations have more money than we do
I have a slightly different angle here than many of you, because I work in computer retail, and people come in with broken computers and rants mirroring the posts here. And when they are AMAZED (!!) at the bill for the proposed work, they get angry and wonder why their now expired warranty isn't getting them anything. I don't have much sympathy for someone who DEMANDS help for free (As if they're ENTITLED to it or something) when he passed up on that chance because the price was $350 as opposed to the $800 he's looking at now.
Now, anyone can tell you that you can usually get what you want by being polite, firm, and friendly, and your efforts will pay of nicely.
I'll read the hate mail from this post in the morning
Ug.
Absolutely should be entitled to out of warranty service for a known design defect.
That's the new you talking. The old you didn't want to spend $350 to avoid much more costly repairs in the future. Oh the irony. But don't worry, you can blame the big bad corporation for that
Also, in response to the other post along the lines that the government should protect citizens from big corporations. Too bad the big corporations have more money than we do
I have a slightly different angle here than many of you, because I work in computer retail, and people come in with broken computers and rants mirroring the posts here. And when they are AMAZED (!!) at the bill for the proposed work, they get angry and wonder why their now expired warranty isn't getting them anything. I don't have much sympathy for someone who DEMANDS help for free (As if they're ENTITLED to it or something) when he passed up on that chance because the price was $350 as opposed to the $800 he's looking at now.
Now, anyone can tell you that you can usually get what you want by being polite, firm, and friendly, and your efforts will pay of nicely.
I'll read the hate mail from this post in the morning
Ug.
You speak the truth, but even a truth-sayer can understand the reluctance to spend $349 and not get accident protection, something Best Buy, Dell and other include for such a high price.
That said, indeed you get what you pay for. Pay nothing (for extended warranty) and get nothing (free repairs) once the intial warranty expires.
Unfortunately, Apple will probably wait until most folks have disposed of, repaired or otherwise given up before announcing a resolution to this.
Cheers,
I absolutely agree that people should be polite and 'ask for help solving a problem' rather than act out, but where it's a commonly known fault in the construction or design of the product then people absolutely are entitled to having it fixed for free. They were sold a defective piece of equipment.
I agree. The only problem is, more than half the time they're in pockets of the companies they're supposed to be protecting us from.
I found a way that extended my warranty for another year.
I'm taking my Macbook Pro tomorrow to the genius bar. I'm pretty sure that they will tell me my logic board needs to be replaced as the GPU is defected.
Quick question though, when they replace my logic board, are they gonna replace it with another defective GPU chip?
I'm taking my Macbook Pro tomorrow to the genius bar. I'm pretty sure that they will tell me my logic board needs to be replaced as the GPU is defected.
Quick question though, when they replace my logic board, are they gonna replace it with another defective GPU chip?