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So are all MBP owners with the 8600m GT cards screwed?
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ROFL who knows? Hopefully, nVidia has supplied chips that won't die by now. My GPU died 2 weeks out of warranty... Apple replaced my board under warranty. They said if I had to pay, it is a fee of $310 to swap the mobo... not too bad a price IMO as I'm sure they then replace the defective GPU on the board and reuse the mobo (refurbish). It's hilarious when people throw around terms like "stop the FUD!!!" when they have no clue what they are talking about. I hope it happens to them.I found a way that extended my warranty for another year.
I'm taking my Macbook Pro tomorrow to the genius bar. I'm pretty sure that they will tell me my logic board needs to be replaced as the GPU is defected.
Quick question though, when they replace my logic board, are they gonna replace it with another defective GPU chip?
The only people who have no idea what they are talking about are those who are convinced that every single one is defective. These people happen to be the same people spreading these uncertainties and passing them off as the honest to god truth.
OK, the truth of the matter is, NO ONE KNOWS if the new chips are any better. Do you have proof? Didn't think so. There is no proof either way, this is the problem. My GPU died, did yours? Will my new one? How do you know? You don't. So yes, there is plenty of FUD to go around.
Nikhsub1 is right, no one really knows whether the new chips are any better. However, Apple has not recognized this as an issue, or publicly that is until they see a mass of unhappy customers complaining of their GPU dying all at once. I think Apple is taking it one customer at a time and replacing the logic board. Its sad if that is the case, cause its leaving the consumer helpless but to go with what they say.
All I know is my laptop better not crap out on me in the next 4-5 years after the repair.
I'll keep you guys updated on the logic board swap.
I'll keep you guys updated on the logic board swap.
Laugh @ you. At least you were able to paraphrase my post with a misplaced barb. No one knows. Calm down and get back to your life.
Yeah, there's a known design defect. NVidia set aside $200M to deal with it. Other manufacturers have adjusted the fan speed settings on their laptops that carry affected chips. Dell offers an extended warranty.
Is it a small batch like NVidia claims? Who knows... but a customer should not have to pay for AppleCare in defense of a potential fried GPU - because if this issue _does_ occur for them the root cause is pretty darn clear.
EDIT: not the best assumption the problem disappeared after the issue was acknowledged. Even if NVidia did their part, supply chain logistics + the fact the unit is soldered on board are not working in Apple's favor to a quick resolution.
While its true that no-one knows, I think given :
a. the widespread nature of this issue,
b. nVidia's concession about the issue, and
c. Apple's stone wall silence to communicate anything about the issue
makes me think that I, as a consumer with a faulty product under warranty, should be in a position to insist on a replacement model that doesn't have this chip, as right now there remains too great a degree of uncertainty in any machine with that chip, that costs $2000+.
a. the widespread nature of this issue,
b. nVidia's concession about the issue, and
c. Apple's stone wall silence to communicate anything about the issue
makes me think that I, as a consumer with a faulty product under warranty, should be in a position to insist on a replacement model that doesn't have this chip, as right now there remains too great a degree of uncertainty in any machine with that chip, that costs $2000+.
Well, it would be interesting to see what sort of GPU the new MBPs would have, if and when they'll show up.
I just hope apple won't leave us hanging out to dry once some sort of compensation deal would be hammered out with nvidia.
@duklaprague -- I don't think that there's a 'replacement model that doesn't have this chip' at present.
I just hope apple won't leave us hanging out to dry once some sort of compensation deal would be hammered out with nvidia.
@duklaprague -- I don't think that there's a 'replacement model that doesn't have this chip' at present.
I know - that's why I'm waiting until the expected revision comes out to see if they are sans nVidia before traipsing up the London store.
Was also hoping that maybe by then there might be more news from Apple and/or nVidia.
Was also hoping that maybe by then there might be more news from Apple and/or nVidia.
Well, judging from the inquirer's coverage of the subject (which may be one-sided), it will be a while before nvidia would own up to anything, and even then, who knows how it will trickle down to those who actually bought the machines (myself included).
Ok, so what you're saying is you would rather sell your perfectly fine laptop for less than you bought it for since it's used on ebay.... and then spending more money than you spent on that said laptop for the new model (which will not go down in price.... it's apple, and it's not the iPhone)?
Isn't that dumb? Do some research, get the moshi zefyr, it has changed my running speeds DRAMATICALLY, even during games everything runs at the normal temp. if it was just sitting there. The number one cause of laptop hardware failure is poor care, and overheating. So the cooler you keep it the less likely it is to fail.
If it straight up fails, then get it replaced, big deal, either way it's not going to cost you as much as the new model.
Isn't that dumb? Do some research, get the moshi zefyr, it has changed my running speeds DRAMATICALLY, even during games everything runs at the normal temp. if it was just sitting there. The number one cause of laptop hardware failure is poor care, and overheating. So the cooler you keep it the less likely it is to fail.
If it straight up fails, then get it replaced, big deal, either way it's not going to cost you as much as the new model.
If that's aimed at me, I didn't mean I'm going to buy a new one, and sell my current one.
The idea would be to replace my existing one with a new one that didn't have the effected cards.
I realise of course it's unlikely that they actually will, and will want to swap the logic board. Even if they are fine now, I don't think either Apple or nVidia have really done enough to instill confidence in we consumers, especially in machines costing $2,000 +.
The idea would be to replace my existing one with a new one that didn't have the effected cards.
I realise of course it's unlikely that they actually will, and will want to swap the logic board. Even if they are fine now, I don't think either Apple or nVidia have really done enough to instill confidence in we consumers, especially in machines costing $2,000 +.
According to the Moshi site, the Zefyr keeps the MBP CASE 5C cooler. Whoopie, that is not going to make or break the laptop. The GPU chips are not dying because of heat alone, there is a defect in the GPU's. And FYI, heat alone is not the killer, thermal expansion and contraction is much harder on the components.
More info from TGDaily on the whole nvidia defective chip fiasco. They are now stating that g86 desktop chips are being identified as defective as well. They have some more info as to why they actually are defective and what nvidia is doing about it to correct the issue:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/25/nvidia-changes-desktop-g86
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/25/nvidia-changes-desktop-g86
You have absolutely no proof behind wha tyou've just said. In fact, you can't, because at this point in time, it'd be trying to prove a negative, which isn't possible. What we do know, is that a great many are failing.... so the way things are going, all of them ARE defective.
Any reason for this outburst?
Elitist non sequitur, much?
Visited the genius bar today and the geniuses there told me they need to send off my MBP to the repair center. I should receive it back in 5-7 days.
The work order surprisingly came out to be $310 to replace the logic board. It's a good thing I'm not paying for it.
The work order surprisingly came out to be $310 to replace the logic board. It's a good thing I'm not paying for it.
That'd be the same G4 that's been working since the day I bought it in July 2001. Guess how many defective parts it has: Zero! What about your MBP? You have no idea, but you're pretty sure the GPU is going to fail? Sorry to hear that!
There are people on this forum, in this thread and others, who believe the Inquirer articles and subsequent interpretations and spin offs as gospel. As I've said so many times before at this point, it's very clear that some chips are defective, and I don't argue that. What I do argue is that every single chip is defective.
Nvidia has said that they are setting aside up to $200M to deal with this problem. Let's put that figure into perspective. Before that announcement, they had planned to make $1.1B in their Q2, then lowered it to $875M-$950M. Now, the 8600m GT was released in early May 2007, and has been sold ever since. That's more than a year at the time of announcement (July 3). Let's make a huge assumption and say Nvidia made money somewhere in the upper $900M bracket for each quarter, putting them at around $3.?B for the their Q2 to Q2 revenue. Again, a huge assumption. Just to make the point, I'll low ball them and say they made 3B flat. What's $200M of $3B? More than a thorn in the side, but all-of-a-sudden it doesn't sound astronomically huge.
This:
I say no one knows anything for sure. He says the same thing I do, then asks if I have proof of what people don't know. Right.
He's probably wishing he could vote for GWB for a third term
That'd be the same G4 that's been working since the day I bought it in July 2001. Guess how many defective parts it has: Zero! What about your MBP? You have no idea, but you're pretty sure the GPU is going to fail? Sorry to hear that!
A very good point. MBPs have numerous problems... older Macs generally didn't.. this one hasn't had any in 10 years.
There are people on this forum, in this thread and others, who believe the Inquirer articles and subsequent interpretations and spin offs as gospel. As I've said so many times before at this point, it's very clear that some chips are defective, and I don't argue that. What I do argue is that every single chip is defective.
Dunno if it should be swallowed hook line and sinker, but given the number of people here with failing GPUs (who didn't join just because of a failed GPU), I'd say it looks bleak. I dont' get how you can argue against it withou;t really knowing.
Maybe it's because I'm so damn tired (I am), but I don't see the relevancy of what you've just said. $200m is still a ton, especially since they only seem to think right now that the weak die is affected in a few products and not their entire line; how many 8400/8600's do you think that covers? I forget which other ones nVidia's admitted to, but you've gotta remember it's not their whole line.
He's probably wishing he could vote for GWB for a third term
I dont' get the relevance of this (tired or really just random?) but it still made me laugh
I understand that some of you guys are saying that not all the Graphics chips are defective, but today I officially flipped out. My MBP (256mb 8600) has been in for repair three times already ... once they replaced the connector for the screen, then they replaced the logic board, and then just last week they replaced the logic board again! All because of the issue of my screens pixels going multicoloured and shaking like they are on drugs.
This morning I boot my computer out of standby and same issue again! The apple phone rep had the nerve to tell me, don't put your laptop into standby, just shut it down! What the heck do I do now?? Will Apple offer a refund? I doubt it as the problem doesn't have a trigger that I can just flip on and off!
Anyone know where I stand? I am not letting it go back in for a logic board repair again (i simply can't afford to not have my laptop for 10 days)...
This morning I boot my computer out of standby and same issue again! The apple phone rep had the nerve to tell me, don't put your laptop into standby, just shut it down! What the heck do I do now?? Will Apple offer a refund? I doubt it as the problem doesn't have a trigger that I can just flip on and off!
Anyone know where I stand? I am not letting it go back in for a logic board repair again (i simply can't afford to not have my laptop for 10 days)...
When they replace my logic board will they give me an extended warranty since it's being paid for?
You have had some service I never experienced, and I had some isues with MBP's I really use the hell out of them, but that is why I buy MBP's.
I had one that had a logic board, antenna's, wireless & bluetooth, videocard and some other stuff replaced. Basicly the outer, the screen, the disc and the HD didnt get repaced, everything else did. It took them 8 day's and because I asked really nice, I got an older Macbook core duo to use in the time.
This has been nearly three years ago, the MBP is now nearly 4 years and it still works like a charm. Point is, I really got a very good service and the repairs did work very nicely. A coworker had another problem with her iMac and got a lousy service. She got to a big chain formula store that is selling Apple's as well. I told her she needed to buy at a "real" apple store, preferably one with an own repair centre and not at a large chain that is only pushing boxes and maximising profits.
If I where you, I would just go to another service point, if you have one around, and try again there.
Just show them what goes wrong, and let them decide what it is. If you ask nicely they might have some old macbook orso laying around.
Just don't forget to make a carbon copy of you hard drive on an external HD