So basically, don't buy EVERYTHING updates soon

[fruitpunch.ben]

You have a VERY good point, but don't you think that without "us" the tech savvy they wouldn't be where they are now ?
First of all not so long ago, was still pretty neglected by the average consumer. And although they have the iPod and iPhone to thank for their ever growing popularity (and with the iPad, it's gonna get out of control) the early years were basically funded by tech savvy consumers.

But I guess you are right, SJ is too smart, and he lets money lead the way... let's hope at least once the iPad is settled, we will get some attention and get some of that fairy dust and unicorn tears back into our beloved Macs.
Hehe I guess I feel like the older brother that's jealous of his newborn sister iPad, and hope's once she's older maybe mom and dad can pay some attention to him.

I am worried that because of the soaring sales and maybe a little bit the attention around the iPad, the next updates are just going to be incremental.
But then I remember I had the same feeling about the iMac in November, and those updates were HUGE, they completely transformed the iMac line with the quad core chips and the amazing 27" screen.
So I just hope apple is putting the same amount of effort into the new macbook pros as they did into the iMacs and I think they'll blow us away.

 

[b4uloveme]

if apple dose not sell all the old version stuffs , it won't up date new version one

 

[Max(IT)]

if apple dose not sell all the old version stuffs , it won't up date new version one

It doesn't work that way. Apple is still producing the "old stuff" according to last reports.
They have not a huge stock to be depleted

 

[nigameash]

Despite what apple may release as an update, I think most consumers would be more than happy with JUST an update Its been forever!

 

[instaxgirl]

That is a big part of it... Also look at apples sales figures lately... they are SOARING... people DONT care that the tech isnt the newest.

Some people do though. My mum didn't buy a mac mini for over a year. She's not tech savvy, but she was bright enough to go "this costs £x and the mac mini costs double that but has a whole lot less of this RAM and GHz stuff . . . "
People that aren't blindly buying so their computer matches their iPhone do compare macs to other products.

It also vaguely pisses me off. I know I'm going to have to update as soon as I get a few things sorted in my life and I don't want to feel like I have to pounce as soon as new laptops are released because who knows how long it'll be before you get value for money again.

 

[brendu]

Some people do though. My mum didn't buy a mac mini for over a year. She's not tech savvy, but she was bright enough to go "this costs £x and the mac mini costs double that but has a whole lot less of this RAM and GHz stuff . . . "
People that aren't blindly buying so their computer matches their iPhone do compare macs to other products.

It also vaguely pisses me off. I know I'm going to have to update as soon as I get a few things sorted in my life and I don't want to feel like I have to pounce as soon as new laptops are released because who knows how long it'll be before you get value for money again.

your mom is smarter than the average computer buyer. especially those who shop at best buy.

on another note. I was in an apple store last night, talking to the manager and he pretty much told me he has no indication that new macs are coming anytime soon.. no stocking issues, no shipping issues on current macbooks that they are constantly ordering. and he agreed that apple really has no financial need to update them because they are still selling like hot cakes.. so what we need to do if we want to see the updates is get the word out to people. STOP BUYING MACBOOKS. then maybe we will finally see what we want from apple.

 

[stinkhorn]

Today I was in the Apple Store in Regent Street, London, actually trying to buy a high-end MPB 13". The sales guy was really patronising, insisting I tell him exactly what I wanted to use it for, then suggesting that I buy a Macbook instead. Ostensibly to save me money? - fair enough. But I persisted, saying that the spec I wanted meant the Macbook wasn't quite the right machine for me (i.e. 2.53Ghz processor, firewire 800), and even though he had never heard of one of the programs I use (Max/MSP), he still tried to convince me that the Macbook was the same machine as the high-end MBP 13". And it's not like he's on commission for just selling Macbooks!

I go by gut reaction, and I had already decided not to try and convince him any further that he wanted my money. As it turns out, wanting a hard drive larger than bog standard necessitates buying online anyway due to limited store stock. I've only ever bought Apple online before and it looks like that'll continue. It just seems peculiar that the guy you say 'I'd like to buy one of your products' to has to go and get someone else, who in turn grills you about your assumed ignorance and tries to sell you something else. It all seems so lengthy and difficult and depressing in there.

Oh, the pitfalls of having a naturally ignorant face *shrug*

 

[DeepIn2U]

I think we don't need more threads like this.

I think we do. Why? It shows the current owners' market and consensus that the market value of current products (although incredibly great in performance if not 2yrs old); is still at a premium in mindsets. The bad thing is that newer Xeon 5600 or Core i3/5/7 chips to be used in the next refresh of Mac's will allow Apple to significantly jack UP the price - not to mention the "inflationary pricing" imposed to manufacturers as well.

 

[sean.jost]

I agree with Charlie. So much technology has changed in a year. Let's be honest, every other manufacturer constantly introduces new products. It would be different if the cost of Apple products went down in line with new technology but it doesn't. If you buy a Mac Pro today and the new ones come out next week or past the 15 day period you will feel robbed. The new iMacs came out last year and were the same price or lower if I remember correctly and had much better specs. While this topic is repetitive it is like that for a reason. Being heavily into recording music things work so much better on a Mac so it's a no brainer. It would be nice though if they at least attempted to stay current or would drop their prices as time passes. You will pay full price for their product up to the last day even if that's over a year later. At some point we have to call it what it is, corporate greed but every one is guilty too so.....

It's easy to get into this mindset of wanting Apple to behave like other companies but don't forget when you're buying a Mac you're not buying specs, you're buying into a huge investment on their part to deliver user experience.

The companies driven by greed slap together a machine with awesome specs and skimp user experience, which is where the real cost is.

 

[MacVibe]

I agree with the OP. I would prefer the computer part of the company be allowed to continually innovate and upgrade without pressure from management about other priorities. If computers were seen as important in their own rite, then they would be getting more attention. But as others have noted, the money people at the company are happy with current sales levels so why should they bother upgrading their products? The iphone and ipod touch are the golden children and get the management's attention. The ipad is planned as the next big thing. Computers are perhaps the company's fourth priority right now (money, iphone, ipad, computers) and the fans are pissed. Yes, it is about time to refresh every stock computer with the exception of the 27 in i5 imac.

 

[foidulus]

The EXACT same happened when the iPhone was released, Apple wanted to hype the new toy as much as possible so pretty much all the mac models languished and were pretty far behind the curve when the iPhone was released. Then as the iPhone frenzy died down, Apple released some pretty serious upgrades to almost all their lines.

I expect we will see the same with the iPad, if you can wait until May(which is also when the back to school promo ends in Apple's 2nd biggest market, Japan), you will probably be well rewarded.

 

[Bioux]

Guh. I heard a while back from an apple employee that the MBP was going to be updated with the Mac Pro. I realize this is hardly a reputable source, but I'll take whatever I can get when I'm this desperate for a new sweet-ass laptop (my old macbook is covered in sticky gin and tonic residue). I was fine with this when the Mac Pro update was imminent, but this "before June" bs is messing me up. I can't survive a whole semester without a laptop. Pull it together apple, or one of your customers is gone.

And yes that is an empty threat.

fine, move one everybody, if I can't get any goodhearted reply's then I don't want any.

continue letting your anger into all the other threads that talk about this very same thing.

DINOSAURS!

 

[PsyD4Me]

I think we don't need more threads like this.

+100000000

 

[Tailpike1153]

A dude who knows a dude who met this one chic at party who's cousins with a guy who smiled at Flo the Progressive insurance lady, said he wants an iPod for his birthday.

 

[Macmel]

It's easy to get into this mindset of wanting Apple to behave like other companies but don't forget when you're buying a Mac you're not buying specs, you're buying into a huge investment on their part to deliver user experience.

The companies driven by greed slap together a machine with awesome specs and skimp user experience, which is where the real cost is.

Of course, Apple sells stuff out of altruism. They don't want to make money, they just happen to receive it...
It's surprising there are grown ups so naive after more than a hundred years of fierce capitalism.
Plus, wouldn't your experience be better if new processors are just thrown into the computer line as they get reasonable prices? How about a continuous upgrading process in which new parts replace old parts at the same price? I'll tell you why this doesn't happen: just because Apple makes more money the way it is now, still putting in the computers parts that are much cheaper than one year ago, when they were originally released.

 

[Bengt77]

I see where you're going with this... but sorry, 5 years ago the powerbooks were operating at more than 800 Mhz and the top of the line was 1.67 Ghz. Perhaps you just had a typo.

He wasn't talking about PowerBooks having 167MHz CPUs. He was talking about five years ago, when the speed of the CPUs in the PowerBooks used to be bumped by about 167MHz. (For example, a CPU upgrade from 1,5GHz to 1,67GHz.) The fact that, back then, the PowerBooks had single core G4 CPUs, compared to today's dual and possibly quad core CPUs (i5 and i7), makes the upgrades from 'back then' incredibly puny. And yet we were happy when they were upgraded at all.

EDIT: I voted for incremental updates, by the way. In my opinion, there's just no way that the current Macs will get anything but faster CPUs and GPUs. No new cases, or anything. Well, the Mac Pro might get a facelift, as it has been around for ages with very little change to its enclosure. The case of the Mac Pro hasn't been seriously updated since the introduction of the PowerMac G5 in 2003, actually. That's seven years ago!