But you'll notice that everyone who doesn't have the problem always thinks backing it up with "and my brother, and so and so and so and so" also don't have it." makes their argument stronger. Actually weakens it. It's likely a combination of causes. Come back and say your phone doesn't have it when you take it to your cousins and can reproduce it on his phone and then afterwards can't on yours. I've seen posts asking for video of one phone broken (thereby satisfying the location requirement) and one phone not showing the symptom. I haven't been following to closely but have yet to see one. So far all the posts I have read, it's all phones have it for someone, or all phones don't, never a mix. That tells me that all phones are likely to have the same reactions to the same environments, good and bad.
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So basically some are trying to say every iPhone has the antenna problem?
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If I put your phone in my hands I would GUARANTEE that I could recreate the problem. I've never ever had it NOT happen in every iphone 4 I've tried (maybe 25 of them), even if the person who owned the phone couldn't make it happen using the exact same grip. Again, I think it has to do somewhat with the chemical makeup and dimensions of the hand that is holding it in combination with the physical design. The same phone will react differently with different hands.
There has been no difference in the design for the first batch of phones. They are ALL the same. So if it happens in one it has to happen in the others given the exact same circumstanxces. This is black and white.
THAT SAID, again I personally don't believe it is a major issue for 95% of the people out there. Most use bumpers or cases. For me to get it to hppen, I have to squeeze the phone in one exact area much tigher than normal - it would never be an issue in real usage for me. But I just have learned how to consistently recreate it on any phone for no reason other than to see if I can.
Yes it is blown out way of proportion, so I agree with those who say that, but I do think it's a serious issue for those 5% or so that it does affect in normal usage.Tony
There are so many factors, that make it difficult to decide if it's a hardware or software factor. Personally, I think it's a hardware factor. However, people have different electrical field conductance capacities (I've forgotten the correct/shorter term for this). This itself depends per person, because we're not all the same.
It would make sense that all iPhones out there have the issue, but the replication of it has so many variable.
What I want is that for those who don't have the "issue", to have their iPhone tested by an independant person, and to see if it still doesn't happen.
Then, try using a piece of metal, to cover the iPhone antenna transponder area/chip.
It also depends on where you are. It's not going to have much affect if you are close to a cell tower.
It would make sense that all iPhones out there have the issue, but the replication of it has so many variable.
What I want is that for those who don't have the "issue", to have their iPhone tested by an independant person, and to see if it still doesn't happen.
Then, try using a piece of metal, to cover the iPhone antenna transponder area/chip.
It also depends on where you are. It's not going to have much affect if you are close to a cell tower.
Please stop claiming that yours doesn't have the design flaw. Because it does.
If you are in a strong covered area your phone wont drop any bars because you still have enough to keep it at 5 bars. However you still lose some of your actual signal.
If you then travel to an area with low signal strength, you will lose signal again, the difference is that because its lower than what is required to get 5 bars you will see a drop in bars.
This is what is actually happening! There hasn't been any proof that two different iPhones, using the exact same tower/connection, react differently when touched with the exact same hand, the exact same place.
If you are in a strong covered area your phone wont drop any bars because you still have enough to keep it at 5 bars. However you still lose some of your actual signal.
If you then travel to an area with low signal strength, you will lose signal again, the difference is that because its lower than what is required to get 5 bars you will see a drop in bars.
This is what is actually happening! There hasn't been any proof that two different iPhones, using the exact same tower/connection, react differently when touched with the exact same hand, the exact same place.
The only real proof that your phone doesn't exhibit the symptoms that another phone does is to have a control that exhibits the problem to make sure you are even in an environment that it *could* occur. Like I said, all of the people including the replies to my last post don't show that the problem doesnt occur on thier phone right next to a affected phone.
I bet my phone doesn't have the problem where you are trying it either (mine doesn't have a problem in most places), but that doesn't mean my phone doesn't have the problem, just like it doesn't mean yours doesn't have the problem.
I bet my phone doesn't have the problem where you are trying it either (mine doesn't have a problem in most places), but that doesn't mean my phone doesn't have the problem, just like it doesn't mean yours doesn't have the problem.
^^ this..
There might be a few phones that don't have the capability to reproduce this issue, but mostly the people not experiencing it have the fortune of being in a place with high-grade coverage or some such thing.
There are alot of factors when trying to reproduce the signal loss issue.
- How conductive the users skin is at that given moment.
- If the user's skin is moist or dry.
- If the user is holding with their left or right hand.
- The size of the users hand which determines if they'll make a good contact for grounding or not.
- Obviously the exact positioning of the phone in the users hand.
From what I'm reading on the media and techie sites this is 100% reproducable with all 4g phones under controlled conditions. Some people may rarely if ever run into issues because they don't normally hold the phone that way anyway or will be using bumper cases. Regardless this is a design flaw, it should not be possible to ground out an antenna for a handheld device by simply holding it.
If someone really wants to run a good test grab a multimeter and test across the points of contact that are at issue before and after grounding out the connection. That will give you a good idea if its a physical hardware issue or not.
Simple way to solve this: one of the people with a supposedly perfect phone, meet up with someone with a known reception problem. See if you can both produce the fault at the same place, at the same time.
So this needed a new thread?
This has been cover ad nauseam. What needs to happen is those folks who don't have the problem just need to mind their own business and go on to other threads. Sop trying to convience the "signal loss people" they have no problem go and enjoy your new toy.Trust me, it won't be enough for these people. They'll either claim that the working iPhone is not real, that the whole thing is CGI effects, or that youtube doesn't exist. You could prove that it's not all iPhones experiencing the problem physically right in front of them and they'd claim you had somehow rewired the phone to show all bars all the time.
From watching this video, it would appear that not all iPhones are experiencing the same antenna problem.
Just to add to confusion, my phone only drops bars if I hold it in a death-grip, hard enough to leave an indentation in my skin. I can hold it normally for 30 seconds with no bars lost, then clench my hand in the same position and watch the signal decrease. Even then, it seems to come back quickly--so while my phone does appear to exhibit the issue, it'll only do it when I'm holding it way tighter than I ever normally would.
My friend and I just recorded this video showing his 3GS experiencing the signal loss issue when the phone is held.
So it's not specific to iPhone 4, it would seem
We both think it is possible iOS 4 is doing something; he says he didn't think it did the same thing on 3.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQDJfLTINaE
So it's not specific to iPhone 4, it would seem
We both think it is possible iOS 4 is doing something; he says he didn't think it did the same thing on 3.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQDJfLTINaE
Seems that the dude who posted the youtube experiment is now having problems recreating it. Both are experiencing signal loss.
Seems that the dude who posted the youtube experiment is now having problems recreating it. Both are experiencing signal loss.
aka, sporadic issue. The thing is, I can recreate the issue on my dev 3GS which has 3.x on it.