So, I am starting to feel like Catalina is Apple's Windows ME

[Ethosik]

yes, we agreed on that; so not sure what your point is...

My point is that you said the same thing to me.
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Mine is pretty much OK
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This thread is ridiculously over-dramatic, three different Macs all running 10.15.4 and 10.15.5 beta. No problems at all, but all installs and upgrades prepped with a disk clean and check via Disk Utility. plus every app totally up to date.

Just because you don’t have an issue doesn’t mean there is no issue. This is widely reported so it’s not just me. People were able to use Windows ME without issues to you know.

 

[fisherking]

My point is that you said the same thing to me.
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Just because you don’t have an issue doesn’t mean there is no issue. This is widely reported so it’s not just me. People were able to use Windows ME without issues to you know.

ok. but if you keep repeating yourself (as you just did, above)... that might be the problem right there.

either way, ppl love to whine on these forums; at least, there are others who want to discuss their issues, and get help. am glad that happens.

 

[jjhny]

Catalina is bad for anyone who has a semi complicated setup. Catalina works great if you have a simple setup. That's the real gist of it. Catalina is probably workable for the consumer, or the pro, semi-pro who keeps a very basic setup. (although there were many weird bugs, like people losing their mail, etc that hit the consumer level people too)

My setup is more complex and Catalina just works badly. Was contacted by Apple directly to run betas and write reports (they saw all the panics in 10.15.2 - Apple Engineers know it's a mess). 10.15.3 was a bit more stable, but I think they broke things again with 10.15.4. How soon it will be until they fix the problems is anyone's guess. I'm trapped on 10.15.3 because I bought the 2019 Mac Pro. I'd prefer Mojave in a heartbeat!

This has nothing to do with 32bit apps, which you can't run anyway. The 32bit app issue is a 'canard.'

If you have external devices, RAIDs, or use an external drive to hold your users folder, or work across a networks Catalina is a disaster. What has worked without a problem from El Cap (and earlier) through Mojave, is just glitchy as hell in Catalina. A workstation is not an iPhone. As Jobs said cars (basic users) and trucks (advanced users). And Apple is very negligent of the advanced users. Tim Cook would be happy to just offer consumer services if he could. I hope they can get some talent on this and get their code worked out soon.

 

[fisherking]

Catalina is bad for anyone who has a semi complicated setup. Catalina works great if you have a simple setup. That's the real gist of it. Catalina is probably workable for the consumer, or the pro, semi-pro who keeps a very basic setup. (although there were many weird bugs, like people losing their mail, etc that hit the consumer level people too)

My setup is more complex and Catalina just works badly. Was contacted by Apple directly to run betas and write reports (they saw all the panics in 10.15.2 - Apple Engineers know it's a mess). 10.15.3 was a bit more stable, but I think they broke things again with 10.15.4. How soon it will be until they fix the problems is anyone's guess. I'm trapped on 10.15.3 because I bought the 2019 Mac Pro. I'd prefer Mojave in a heartbeat!

This has nothing to do with 32bit apps, which you can't run anyway. The 32bit app issue is a 'canard.'

If you have external devices, RAIDs, or use an external drive to hold your users folder, or work across a networks Catalina is a disaster. What has worked without a problem from El Cap (and earlier) through Mojave, is just glitchy as hell in Catalina. A workstation is not an iPhone. As Jobs said cars (basic users) and trucks (advanced users). And Apple is very negligent of the advanced users. Tim Cook would be happy to just offer consumer services if he could. I hope they can get some talent on this and get their code worked out soon.

this is confirmed by what percentage of 'pro' users? am not saying it's not happening, but on what scale? and does my logic X and FCPX work count as 'pro'? because if not, i should let my clients know... 😂

 

[Ifti]

This is why I always take a SuperDuper snapshot in addition to my haul TM backups before I run any updates. It provides a nice easy roll back if needed.....

 

[MasterMaCanada59]

No this is not the case. I am not running some odd software or doing some odd things in macOS. I just had another freeze this morning. If I have any external monitors connected, even with an eGPU, and try to do a long FCPX export (10 hours) to where my computer goes to sleep, I get crashes and freezes.

High Sierra, this NEVER happens. This is a common issue too. Something with the display drivers and sleeping. Older systems seem to be fine, it seems like a Vega driver issue. And if you do not have multiple monitors, it doesn't seem to happen much either. If I don't let my computer go to sleep, I can use FCPX all day without any lockups.

I always upgrade the day it is available to the public. I never had any issues for years. This is the only time I have had issues where it is causing my ability to work to have a problem.

Windows ME is known for bugs and crashes and instability. Just like this OS. I think it has been reported to Apple and they are working on a fix for this issue. So its not like there is no issue.

Greetings everyone
I give macOS Catalina 4 of 5 stars. Of all Mac systems I’ve installed (since Mac OS 9 … yeah , I’m old) this one gave me some installation trouble.
First attempt : system was definitely sluggish and graphics was choppy. Erase all and start again. Second attempt all was perfect. Then I saw TWO volumes installed on hard drive instead of one and said to myself « .. probably something wrong about that ». Saying that was a big mistake.
Erase all and start again (damn it!). Third attempt …. of course same result. But this time I’ve take time to read some Apple support. Result : TWO volumes installed (system and data) is perfectly normal. This is a new Apple secure way to protect data .
Since then I really don’t want to come back to previous macOS system. Catalina is really great ! It is installed on my old Mac mini (2014) and use it as my central Home Theater. And believe me it screams !

Cheers and stay in good health !

 

[jjhny]

this is confirmed by what percentage of 'pro' users? am not saying it's not happening, but on what scale? and does my logic X and FCPX work count as 'pro'? because if not, i should let my clients know... 😂

I actually mentioned "pro users" who keep "a very basic setup" - meaning you are likely running your 'Users' folder on the same internal drive as the OS. You are using Apple made apps. You probably are not running a complicated external box for drives or cards. It sounds like you have a vanilla setup. I wasn't casting aspersions on anyone (if you read what I said). Further, I have talked to Apple OS X engineers, there are problems, and they know it. They know there are structural problems. Problems Mojave and earlier did not have. There are many others in this boat and are having legitimate issues. It is on a large enough scale that Apple is reaching out to those users to fix it. Does that make sense?

 

[Jack Neill]

14 was solid af, 15 has been a little rough, .4 has finally ironed out almost all of my gripes. Ironically that's when 13 finally started to be fine for me as well.

 

[fisherking]

I actually mentioned "pro users" who keep "a very basic setup" - meaning you are likely running your 'Users' folder on the same internal drive as the OS. You are using Apple made apps. You probably are not running a complicated external box for drives or cards. It sounds like you have a vanilla setup. I wasn't casting aspersions on anyone (if you read what I said). Further, I have talked to Apple OS X engineers, there are problems, and they know it. They know there are structural problems. Problems Mojave and earlier did not have. There are many others in this boat and are having legitimate issues. It is on a large enough scale that Apple is reaching out to those users to fix it. Does that make sense?

you've spoken to 'os x engineers"? hmmm. meanwhile, in logic, 97% of my plugins are 3rd-party, so not a plain vanilla setup. and which boat are 'many others' in? and where do you get your numbers (or, broadly, 'many')? and, my favorite sentence: " It is on a large enough scale that Apple is reaching out to those users to fix it."

your source for that is..???

anyway, am working. my logic/pro tools collabs are working, my friend who's a pro FCPX editor is working... all in catalina. so some people have issues, others don't. as always...