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but, if the hardware already ALLOWS it to utilize 6gig...can't a firmware allow it to work with dual channel support?

sorry, i'm just all kinds of confused at this point.
No, because they don't make 3GB RAM. In order to utilize dual-channel, you need two sticks of RAM of equivalent size and speed.
 
but, if the hardware already ALLOWS it to utilize 6gig...can't a firmware allow it to work with dual channel support?

sorry, i'm just all kinds of confused at this point.

Well let me rephrase that: "I think it's only a Hardware technical reason". That's what I should have said. :rolleyes:
 
If you can't tell that the MacBook's screen is unacceptable, then no harm no foul. But it is unacceptable.

The vertical view angle is so minute that even when your eyes are exactly perpendicular to the display, the top and bottom of the display have a noticeably different black point. Slightly tilting the display makes a horizontal band of acceptable black point shift up and down on the screen. In order to make the MacBook's display look OK, you need to stand at least 6 feet from it.

The display is garbage, and I won't even consider a MacBook until they fix it. I can only hope that the MacBook Air has a better display than the MacBook.
 
If you can't tell that the MacBook's screen is unacceptable, then no harm no foul. But it is unacceptable.

The vertical view angle is so minute that even when your eyes are exactly perpendicular to the display, the top and bottom of the display have a noticeably different black point. Slightly tilting the display makes a horizontal band of acceptable black point shift up and down on the screen. In order to make the MacBook's display look OK, you need to stand at least 6 feet from it.
Have you checked a recently manufactured MacBook? There are too many people stating that they're not seeing the problem on recent MacBooks for it to be a coincidence, IMO.
 
Have you checked a recently manufactured MacBook? There are too many people stating that they're not seeing the problem on recent MacBooks for it to be a coincidence, IMO.

My above testimony is based on a white MacBook that I used to own, my girlfriend's white MacBook, and my friend's unibody MacBook. Every MacBook I've ever seen has had this problem. Every single one of them. They all have to same god-awful display.
 
My above testimony is based on a white MacBook that I used to own, my girlfriend's white MacBook, and my friend's unibody MacBook. Every MacBook I've ever seen has had this problem. Every single one of them. They all have to same god-awful display.
The newer MacBooks come with a different screen, as in the case of my own. There is a clear difference between the two, as I have compared.
 
The newer MacBooks come with a different screen, as in the case of my own. There is a clear difference between the two, as I have compared.

while there might be a difference between the white macbooks and the unibody macbooks, both are no where close to the macbook pro's display. I am a recent switcher from the PC world and I was waiting for the new macbooks to come out. When they did, even though the screens were backlit lcd, I quickly discovered that the screens are not comparable to the mbp. so I then purchased one of the last mbp classics on sale.
 
My above testimony is based on a white MacBook that I used to own, my girlfriend's white MacBook, and my friend's unibody MacBook. Every MacBook I've ever seen has had this problem. Every single one of them. They all have to same god-awful display.

Sorry, but my testimony was the screen had none of the flaws the earlier adopters complained about. My friend never even seen the new unibody macbooks in person and I had asked him to view the screen from various angles and he said they looked the same as well. I asked him about the black and contrast value as well - no difference. I stayed there for 15 minutes studying the screen and couldn't see what everyone else was fussing about.

...and I have a touch of OCD in me (I think we all do when it comes to our little gadgets) that I studied every little detail until I rest assured my own insecurities about the screen...
 
It Is Possible - 6 GB of RAM in a MacBook or MacBook Pro

But is it sensible?

The official Apple spec. is that the new unibody MacBook and MacBook Pro models can address 4GB of RAM, however, we've been down that road before. For example, the Apple spec. for maximum supported RAM for the PowerBook 2000 Pismo remains 512 MB, but the Pismo will actually happily address twice that amount.

However, it's not quite so simple with the new unibody 'Books. Apparently, 4GB is not a hard ceiling, but you can't successfully double the official spec. either.

Tidbits' Adam C. Engst explains that to determine if your MacBook or MacBook Pro is new enough to address more than 4GB of RAM, run System Profiler and check the Model Identifier line in the Hardware Overview panel. If the first number is 3, 4, or 5, your 'Book should be able to handle 6 GB of RAM.

However, as I provisionally understand things, these machines get the optimum RAM performance with paired modules - eg: two 1 GB or two 2 GB modules, which take advantage of interleaving, the motherboard's dual-channel architecture that can increase the speed with which data can move from RAM to the CPU, so using one 2 GB and one 4 GB module to achieve 6 GB total eliminates the advantages of pairing. However, depending upon your sort of usage, you will still likely do better with 6 GB thanks to reduced virtual memory disk swapping.

Adam Engst says that that the MacBook and MacBook Pro both operate reliably with 6 GB of RAM, as long as it's the same type and speed of RAM, but unfortunately loading up with two 4 GB DIMMs for a total of 8 GB doesn't work well.

Weighing in on the same topic, BareFeats' rob-ART morgan reports that in hands-on testing he was able to expand his MacBook Pro 2.8 to 6GB by replacing one of the 2GB SO-DIMMs with a 4GB module from Trans International with no ill effects.

However, Rob says the 6GB configuration produced essentially identical benchmark results to the 4GB configuration on the 2.8GHz MacBook Pro - the difference raging from -.5% to +1.7% or an average difference of +.28% or less than 1/3 of one percent, which makes the substantial cost of buying a 4 GB memory module seem hardly worth it, even for fewer virtual memory swaps.

Rob also reports that the MacBook Pro will boot with an 8GB configuration (2 x 4GB), but there are serious operational issues.

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egh...:(
 
From somebody that has a unibody MB that was bought during the first week of their release, yes my MacBook has a horrible screen. But again, this isn't about the first run MBs. We are talking about one that has been purchased within this week. It's very possible that Apple has realized the inferiority of the MB's screen and has opted to go with a better quality one. And unless somebody has seen a recent MB's screen in person, it's a bad idea for him/her to generalize about all MBs ever manufactured.

And as for the 3GB sticks of RAM, that will never happen. If you think about it, 2GB of RAM is actually 2048MB or 2^11MB. 4GB is 4096MB or 2^12MB... There is no possible way to have a single stick of 3072MB of RAM.
 
From somebody that has a unibody MB that was bought during the first week of their release, yes my MacBook has a horrible screen. But again, this isn't about the first run MBs. We are talking about one that has been purchased within this week. It's very possible that Apple has realized the inferiority of the MB's screen and has opted to go with a better quality one. And unless somebody has seen a recent MB's screen in person, it's a bad idea for him/her to generalize about all MBs ever manufactured.

And as for the 3GB sticks of RAM, that will never happen. If you think about it, 2GB of RAM is actually 2048MB or 2^11MB. 4GB is 4096MB or 2^12MB... There is no possible way to have a single stick of 3072MB of RAM.

I don't believe anyone is generalizing that all MB's have wonderful screens all of a sudden. What is being said is that they do exist and photos have been taken - speculating that an updated screen could exist. I stand by what I said earlier - because I was looking for flaws that simply did not exist and was as vibrant and clear as the MBP. Was it just the display model? I don't know...I guess I'll find out when I open my MacBook box - if I do...
 
I don't believe anyone is generalizing that all MB's have wonderful screens all of a sudden. What is being said is that they do exist and photos have been taken. I stand by what I said earlier - because I was looking for flaws that simply did not exist. Was it just the display model? I don't know...I guess I'll find out when I open my MacBook box - if I do...

You misunderstand me. I wasn't referring to you saying they are good quality screens. I was referring to those claiming that all MacBook screens are horrible despite the rash of posts stating otherwise on these forums. I for one find it very hard to believe that Apple would continue putting horrible quality screens in their products considering the huge outcry from the release of the first unibody MBs. Like I said, I wish I had waited to buy my MB, but unfortunately I can't go back in time.
 
Sorry, but my testimony was the screen had none of the flaws the earlier adopters complained about. My friend never even seen the new unibody macbooks in person and I had asked him to view the screen from various angles and he said they looked the same as well. I asked him about the black and contrast value as well - no difference. I stayed there for 15 minutes studying the screen and couldn't see what everyone else was fussing about.

...and I have a touch of OCD in me (I think we all do when it comes to our little gadgets) that I studied every little detail until I rest assured my own insecurities about the screen...

Allow me to reiterate:

If you can't tell that the MacBook's screen is unacceptable, then no harm no foul. But it is unacceptable.
 
Allow me to reiterate:

If you can't tell that the MacBook's screen is unacceptable, then no harm no foul. But it is unacceptable.

Unacceptable in what regard? It wasn't unacceptable to me...other than it was glossy. That was it. How are you going to sit there and tell me what is unacceptable - maybe for you.

Your post should have said, "The screens that I have seen in my opinion were unacceptable."
 
while there might be a difference between the white macbooks and the unibody macbooks, both are no where close to the macbook pro's display. I am a recent switcher from the PC world and I was waiting for the new macbooks to come out. When they did, even though the screens were backlit lcd, I quickly discovered that the screens are not comparable to the mbp. so I then purchased one of the last mbp classics on sale.
I'm talking about newer MacBook unibodies that now ship with a different display than older MacBook unibodies. Not that the UMB is "new."
 
Please go to your local Apple store and check out the recent MacBooks with new, improved screens.
Or not. My local Apple store have had the same unibody MacBooks on display since they launched. The display screens do no reflect the newer screen that many people are finding when they open their recently purchased MacBook.

The General, have you read any of the threads about the new panels being used in the recently produced MacBooks? When did you friend buy his unibody MacBook. You said you won't consider a MacBook until Apple fixes the screen issue. How are you able to tell when Apple's done that?
 
Or not. My local Apple store have had the same unibody MacBooks on display since they launched. The display screens do no reflect the newer screen that many people are finding when they open their recently purchased MacBook.

The General, have you read any of the threads about the new panels being used in the recently produced MacBooks? When did you friend buy his unibody MacBook. You said you won't consider a MacBook until Apple fixes the screen issue. How are you able to tell when Apple's done that?

I bought mine in Germany at the AAFES store on a military base.
 
I bought mine in Germany at the AAFES store on a military base.
If you didn't notice a screen difference between a MB and MBP, then it sounds like the AAFES store there has recently produced MBs on display. :)

At my local Apple store, you can definitely tell the difference in quality between the MB and MBP screens. But then again, the MB and MBPs on display there are not recently produced ... they've been on display since the launch late last year.
 
Unacceptable in what regard? It wasn't unacceptable to me...other than it was glossy. That was it. How are you going to sit there and tell me what is unacceptable - maybe for you.

Your post should have said, "The screens that I have seen in my opinion were unacceptable."

I described in detail what makes them unacceptable in my first post. You obviously are unable to see what makes them unacceptable. That means that they are acceptable to you, but not to me. See how this works?

If you can not see what makes them unacceptable, then no harm has been done. Use your MacBook and enjoy.

Please go to your local Apple store and check out the recent MacBooks with new, improved screens.

They are all the same, they are all garbage. I have seen brand new MacBooks and old MacBooks and first-batch unibody MacBooks. All of their screens suffer from the same problem. Whether or not you can see the problem, I do not know. But judging by your statement here with "new, improved," I am inclined to believe that you, too, are unable to see what is wrong with the displays.
 
I bought mine in Germany at the AAFES store on a military base.

...well, the nice thing about AAFES and the NEX is they frequently sell out of things = everyone even buys the display models so everything gets refreshed frequently as the buyers are idiots and only buy a few hundred on bases of thousands were most USA merchants won't ship directly to the USA military addresses.

Apple's customer support sucks in this regard :mad:
 
I described in detail what makes them unacceptable in my first post. You obviously are unable to see what makes them unacceptable. That means that they are acceptable to you, but not to me. See how this works?

If you can not see what makes them unacceptable, then no harm has been done. Use your MacBook and enjoy.

I did read it and I didn't notice any of your complaints...hence why I don't agree because that wasn't what I witnessed. Your truth may have been relevant back then - but, meaningless to many it seems now that have seen and own a "revised" MB screen.
 
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