I just move the message I want deleted on the iPhone to the trash folder instead of hitting the trash can.
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So if you use exchange for gmail push you can't delete emails?
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This issue has been annoying me as well - if you use exhange, delete isn't delete. I didn't notice this for months and wound up manually deleting thousands of emails that I thought I was deleting!!! Very aggravating.
I think there is a way to have an exchange account that allows deleting of mail.
It is a convoluted and somewhat difficult process, but if you go by the instructions at this blog link below, I think it is possible.
http://www.geekology.co.za/blog/200...nts-properly-in-apple-mail-and-on-the-iphone/
Not sure if the set of instructions is exactly how i achieved the ability to delete messages from my iphone, and i might be actually moving the mail to my specifically set up trash folders on Gmail and linked to Apple Mail App my MBP (read the instructions on that blog article above). But, I do know that when I delete messages on both of the Gmail accounts on my iPhone—one being IMAP and one being an Exchange account—they both are NOT archived on Google's severs...
EDIT: I just tested this, and it absolutely works! the deleted message is not even being stored on specific trash folders that I set up on my MacBook Pro. When I hit delete, the message was deleted and not archived, and this is with an Exchange account on my iPhone 4.
EDIT 2: As I originally suspected, deleting works, but it is going into a trash folder that I do have to go to and do a 2nd delete. I have all this set up to work on both desktop Apple Mail App and my iPhone.
It is a convoluted and somewhat difficult process, but if you go by the instructions at this blog link below, I think it is possible.
http://www.geekology.co.za/blog/200...nts-properly-in-apple-mail-and-on-the-iphone/
Not sure if the set of instructions is exactly how i achieved the ability to delete messages from my iphone, and i might be actually moving the mail to my specifically set up trash folders on Gmail and linked to Apple Mail App my MBP (read the instructions on that blog article above). But, I do know that when I delete messages on both of the Gmail accounts on my iPhone—one being IMAP and one being an Exchange account—they both are NOT archived on Google's severs...
EDIT: I just tested this, and it absolutely works! the deleted message is not even being stored on specific trash folders that I set up on my MacBook Pro. When I hit delete, the message was deleted and not archived, and this is with an Exchange account on my iPhone 4.
EDIT 2: As I originally suspected, deleting works, but it is going into a trash folder that I do have to go to and do a 2nd delete. I have all this set up to work on both desktop Apple Mail App and my iPhone.
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Er... the link you posted shows how to setup as IMAP on the iPhone, this is what the 'Gmail' option on the iPhone already does. To use exchange you select the 'Exchange' tab.
I know it is for setting up IMAP—specifically as the title of the blog states: "Configure Gmail accounts Properly in Apple Mail and the iPhone"
the blog article offers up a unique way to set up trash folders for deleting emails off of an IMAP account that also seems to work with an exchange account on the iphone, which is what the issue of the original post is, right?
If one has the patience to go through the setup in that blog, I believe one can achieve what the original poster says is impossible, i.e. being able to delete mail from an exchange account from your iPhone. It is pretty tricky on purpose, but not impossible to achieve.
bottom line—I am able to delete email messages from my Exchange Gmail account from my phone.
the blog article offers up a unique way to set up trash folders for deleting emails off of an IMAP account that also seems to work with an exchange account on the iphone, which is what the issue of the original post is, right?
If one has the patience to go through the setup in that blog, I believe one can achieve what the original poster says is impossible, i.e. being able to delete mail from an exchange account from your iPhone. It is pretty tricky on purpose, but not impossible to achieve.
bottom line—I am able to delete email messages from my Exchange Gmail account from my phone.
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It won't work, the prior poster is correct, half of the options listed on that page are not available under exchange.
Think about it big picture, if someone figured out a way to actually delete using exchange, there would be tons of articles about it on the internet vs just one obscure site.
How come I am able to to it?
BTW, you quoted my post before I was done editing it, not that this matters too much.
but you missed quoting this:
bottom line—I am able to delete email messages from my Exchange Gmail account from my phone.
I honestly do not know exactly how I achieved this. As I said, it is purposefully difficult. Read the blog above, and also read the comments. My desire to delete and not archive, and going by the instructions on that blog is I how I achieved this.
On my exchange gmail account I have no archive folders, i have delete folders. I actually have to delete the message more than once, but when i do that the message is gone.
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I delete it once, then I have to go to the trash (trashcan icon) on my iphone 4 (or Apple Mail app, or Gmail through a browser) for that account and delete it from there.
EDIT (again): I might be slightly wrong about my ideas on this. I need to go into "all mail" and delete a second time. Also for it to actually be gone I have to go into my set-up trash folders and delete a 3rd time!
Deleting of mail in an exchange account with Gmail on an iPhone is possible, but you might need to delete the actual message 3 times.
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This is 100% correct. If you use exchange to sync gmail (push notification) it will always move deleted mail to "archive/all mail". You have to go in do regular bulk deletes all unopened mail in the all mail folder to clean up these messages. I heard this may be fixed in the future (by Google) but who knows.
Ok, so you get an A for effort, but you're just back to square one, being under exchange emails do not delete, they go into all mail, which is what you just found out. The steps you're going through is what anyone with exchange does to really really delete an email hence why IMAP is the only delete so far.
But I think i have my all mail folder set up so that when I delete the message from all mail it goes into a trash folder. When i delete from that trash folder, whether i do it on my phone or desktop computer, it is gone.
3 deletes did it, and the message is not going back to my all mail folder after this final delete.
So, actually i think i might be right on this. I only meant i was wrong above because it takes 3 deletes with my setup, when i originally thout it was 2 deletes, but then it is gone.
I usually use my Macbook Pro Apple mail app for all the heavy management of my various email accounts as opposed to 3 deletes per message on my iphone.
in fact, i usually only do a "true delete" of the messages i want deleted about once a week or so.
Google really does not want you to delete you mail, which is why this is difficult
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Don't take this personally, but you should stop as you're going to confuse people. Exchange deletes do NOT delete, instead it goes into all mail.
All you're doing is going into all mail to delete the email yourself, which is the exact complaint people have about exchange and deleting.
Your logic is like saying your car has a rearview camera come to find out you've duct taped a camcorder to your bumper with a VCR in the trunk for playback.
All you're doing is going into all mail to delete the email yourself, which is the exact complaint people have about exchange and deleting.
Your logic is like saying your car has a rearview camera come to find out you've duct taped a camcorder to your bumper with a VCR in the trunk for playback.
with my Exchange account on Gmail, 3 deletes, all from my iphone, and the email message is totally gone—at least with my setup, what am i not getting.
Again, in more detail for those who are not following the logic, a mail message on my iphone....delete it and it goes into my all mail folder, delete it a second time and it goes into my trash (trashcan icon for that account on iphone), delete it a 3rd time and it is totally gone. I never actually do all this because, as explained above, I manage my email on my MPB. But, If I wanted to, with my mail setup, I am able to totally delete a mail message from my iPhone.
if you mean hit delete button on iphone once and it is gone, correct, that is not going to happen and I never meant to convey that a user could achieve this with one push of the delete button.
My goal here was to get the original poster as close to his request as is currently possible with an iphone and a Gmail Exchange account. The only reason I had some extended interest in this thread is because a while back I wanted to solve the exact same mail issue as the OP, and I believe I did—as much as is possible.
hopefully my logic is sound in this current post—lol.
Again, in more detail for those who are not following the logic, a mail message on my iphone....delete it and it goes into my all mail folder, delete it a second time and it goes into my trash (trashcan icon for that account on iphone), delete it a 3rd time and it is totally gone. I never actually do all this because, as explained above, I manage my email on my MPB. But, If I wanted to, with my mail setup, I am able to totally delete a mail message from my iPhone.
if you mean hit delete button on iphone once and it is gone, correct, that is not going to happen and I never meant to convey that a user could achieve this with one push of the delete button.
My goal here was to get the original poster as close to his request as is currently possible with an iphone and a Gmail Exchange account. The only reason I had some extended interest in this thread is because a while back I wanted to solve the exact same mail issue as the OP, and I believe I did—as much as is possible.
hopefully my logic is sound in this current post—lol.
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This - you've misunderstood the OP and the ongoing argument of IMAP vs exchange but good effort nonetheless.
no, I think you are just looking for a debate and you dug your position into an indefensible hole.
Again, here is the OP
I've searched and read up on this a lot, it seems regardless if i hit delete on an email or move to folder "trash" the only place it goes is the ALL MAIL folder, which is some kind of archive folder? That's kind of annoying, anyone know of a way around this using exchange for push gmail?
I gave the best solution possible.
Also, go read the post just above you again because i was still editing my writing while you replied.
All I am trying to do is provide a solution to this issue, I do not care to have a debate about this, a debate about your definition of logic, or anything like that.
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Go look at post 23 and see why you're just wrong. If you read the entire thread before jumping in and making a mess, you'd see someone already wrote about going into all mail and deleting the mail from there.
Search this forum for the prior posts, and you'll see the same argument ...
Search google, and you'll see the same argument ...
The argument is people want delete to go to trash as it does under IMAP, and that's what OP is referencing.
Search this forum for the prior posts, and you'll see the same argument ...
Search google, and you'll see the same argument ...
The argument is people want delete to go to trash as it does under IMAP, and that's what OP is referencing.
OK, well I guess we are just splitting hairs or having an argument based on the semantics of 1 button push versus 3. Sorry and have a nice thread...
You are correct, I was only trying to create a solution for the original poster and did miss a few posts in this thread. I am usually pretty good about catching every single post after the OP, but missed that one. However I think at least I did explain and expand on this issue in this thread. I think new threads are always better than just reading old threads.
You are correct, I was only trying to create a solution for the original poster and did miss a few posts in this thread. I am usually pretty good about catching every single post after the OP, but missed that one. However I think at least I did explain and expand on this issue in this thread. I think new threads are always better than just reading old threads.
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Unfortunately, this is as good as it gets with GMail right now under Exchange. And a big chunk of it is Google trying to shoe-horn their archive mechanism into a protocol that doesn't accommodate it. Exchange only has one way to handle deletes over the protocol, so there isn't a way to try to tell the difference between an "archive" delete versus a "trash" delete.
Google has a couple problems with their back-end not playing nice with Exchange, with the two big ones I ran into being the delete behavior and Google's back-end mangling some contact fields. Google also has the power to provide tweaks or in general fix their exchange implementation to be a bit more sane. I don't expect a ton of official work here, considering their ad revenue partially depends on getting users to keep as much e-mail as possible.
While I don't like looking at my all mail folder on my iPhone since I see my archived stuff, I have noticed that delete means delete, when I am viewing my all mail folder. I have checked to see when I delete from the all mail view on the iPhone, it does go to the trash on Gmail. If I switch to the inbox folder on my phone, then when I delete, it gets archived, not deleted. This is very annoying.
Stop all the madness..... so many incorrect statements/comments about this. Exchange on other platforms DOES delete/trash emails. The ONLY reason active sync/exchange on gmail does not is because they don't utilize folders; only labels. If/Until google addresses the active sync portion of the exchange platform to accommodate labels it will stay as is.