So is the Sprint 4S unlocked, or not?

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  1. benguild macrumors 6502a

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    What's preventing us from buying Verizon or Sprint phones for full retail price tomorrow? Anything? Will they be unlocked?
     
  2. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040

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    They are not unlocked. Unlocked GSM-only iPhone 4S will be sold only by Apple, starting in November.
     
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  4. TraceyS/FL macrumors 68040

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    From what I've read, I don't think we can be sure until tomorrow.

    The question becomes, will Sprint treat the iPhone differently than it does any of it's other world phones.
     
  5. isoft7 macrumors 6502a

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    You'll just have to wait and find out... to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they are unlocked and the reports we've gotten from Sprint is simply to try and scare us into spending extra money.
     
  6. DeusInvictus7 macrumors 68020

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    There was a post saying that a Sprint spokesperson stated that it would not be sim-unlocked but we won't know for sure until tomorrow. For the States, unlocked iPhones are going to be available in November, but the CDMA portion of it will be disabled. Apple mentions this on their website.
     
  7. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040

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    I am gifted with an ability called "Logical Reasoning" :D

    I will give 2:1 odds on a $500 bet to the first responder who thinks that they can take a Sprint iPhone 4S out of the box, put in an AT&T SIM, and use the phone for anything other than emergency calls.
     
  8. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040

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    No takers? If you're right, you get $1000! If you're wrong, it only costs you $500!
     
  9. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040

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    Damn. :( I was hoping to have that $500 to blow on new hats.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. benguild thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I feel like Sprint saying that is mostly due to pressure from Apple. In fact, the phones might be unlocked as stated, or maybe they've just changed their minds now. Maybe the preorder ones are the only ones that will be unlocked.
    :eek:
     
  11. JNaut macrumors member

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    Yeah, at this point, I don't really believe anything Sprint or Apple says. The first person who tests it (outside of the US) wins free karma and a pat on the back from me.
     
  12. FreakinEurekan macrumors 68040

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    Turn the logic around -

    1. We know that Apple offers the ability to SIM-lock phones, they've done it for years.

    2. If a dual-band phone (Verizon or Sprint) is SIM-locked, then Verizon/Sprint get the roaming fees if their customers choose to use the phone out of country.

    3. If the phone were unlocked, it would open up the possibility of people buying a subsidized phone, and skipping out on their contract in order to use the phone overseas - leaving Verizon/Sprint holding the bag for the $450 subsidy discount.

    Given the above, what possible incentive would Verizon/Sprint have for NOT locking the phones? They have everything to lose and nothing to gain.
     
  13. DCAlexandria macrumors newbie

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    Uh I don't know, how about the 400$ early termination fee. Sorry dude but you are dead wrong on the GSM for international, here is a direct statemen from Verizon via Engadget:

    "The Iphone 4s works like all of our global phones. The phone comes in a box with a SIM locked to our network and the network of our romaing partnesrs including Vodafone, one of our parent companies. Customers sign up for a Verizon Wireless voice plan (beginning at $39.99 for 450 min.) and a data plan beinning at 3GB for 30$. When they choose to go out of the country, they should call Verizon Wireless to sign up for a global plan. The customer can also request to have the SIM unlocked if they want to use a local service while out of the country. The request needs to be made prior to leaving the country, their bill must be current and the phone must be active on the account for 60 days before we will unlock the SIM"
     
  14. bidwalj macrumors 6502a

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    Thanks for the info! Im debating Verizon now and canceling my sprint order. Having an unlocked gsm side is useful and will allow me to sell my unlocked iPhone 4.
     
  15. jmpnop macrumors 6502a

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    Thats the point, people would buy contract-free locked phones for about $500-$600 and use it outside US like an unlocked phone. That would more around $200 cheaper than the Apple unlocked ones. That makes no sense in selling unlocked phones separately, highly doubt this happening.
     
  16. DCAlexandria macrumors newbie

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    Well to be fair you have to be a verizon customer in good standing for 60 days after purchase so at that point you are already out anothe 200$, so 200$ for the phone + $200 in bills + 350$ termination Fee - shazzam you're pu to 750$.
     
  17. HawaiiMacAddict macrumors 6502a

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    I heard a MacWorld podcast featuring an interview with Jason Snell, who spoke about this very issue. According to him, the Sprint/Verizon iPhone 4S has a "roaming" SIM installed. The SIM in the Sprint iPhone is already unlocked, and can be swapped in country with a pre-paid SIM. On the other hand, the SIM in the Verizon iPhone can be swapped out for a pre-paid Verizon international unlocked SIM. This is contingent upon being a customer in good standing, for a period of at least 60 days, with Verizon. He didn't indicate whether the Verizon SIM can be swapped in country for a pre-paid SIM, however.
     
  18. DCAlexandria macrumors newbie

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    Thanks Hawaii, I trust Jason over a lot of the lower leve sprint people that have been reporting. I imagine Jason has friend in high places.
     
  19. ps2pk macrumors newbie

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    Sprint is dumb. Don't believe anything they say.

    Only way we'll find out is tomorrow or when someone actually goes overseas and uses it.

    A sprint source told engadget that the sim is not removable. Come on! Of course they retracted it but that's pretty dumb.

    I'll be surprised if it's locked. Let's just leave it at that.
     
  20. isoft7 macrumors 6502a

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    Sprint customer service is some of the friendliest but by far also the least product/service educated.

    Rarely do they provide two stories anything alike and rarely is what you're told even near correct.

    But again, very friendly people. :)
     
  21. wratran macrumors regular

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    wait till tomorrow..
    if unlock...i am planning on buying one and skip out on the ETF
     
  22. verwon macrumors 68030

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    Good luck, because if it's unlocked it'll only be for using it in other countries, the US usage will still be locked to Sprint!
     
  23. isoft7 macrumors 6502a

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    Never fear! Tomorrow, at night, I will travel far... to Africa, surviving on nothing more than snake skins and purified urine, I will live long enough to insert a third party GSM sim into my iPhone 4s, tweeting my success or failure only moments before I succumb to extreme dehydration and red fever.

    FOR SCIENCE!!!
     
  24. DCAlexandria macrumors newbie

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    YOU ROCK ISOFT, looking forward to your report!
     
  25. isoft7 macrumors 6502a

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    Thank you, it is a far far greater thing I do.
     

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