So ready to get rid of Intel

[RumorConsumer]

I am sitting here with my top of the line MacBook Pro 16" with an external monitor doing nothing in particular after a clean restart and the fans are on. Not super high. Not unwarranted as its warm in the room on this summer evening but man I am so ready for an Apple Silicon replacement like my friends M1 MacBook Pro that could not care at all that the ambient temperature is like 86 degrees. So so so ready. Intel has been good to me and its time to move on. Take my money Apple.

 

[Audit13]

Are you running the MacBook in clamshell mode?

 

[AxiomaticRubric]

The M1 MacBooks are amazing. I can close mine into sleep mode and not worry about it overheating in a bag. There is no need to shut it down completely before taking it anywhere. And the battery life can go literally all day without any need to recharge.

The thermal issues with the Intel MacBooks had me treating them more like desktop machines, which really runs counter to the idea of portability.

 

[RumorConsumer]

Are you running the MacBook in clamshell mode?

Nope wide open. On an elevated minimal stand. Full airflow. And external thunderbolt 3 dock to offload as much circuitry as possible from the logic board.

 

[Audit13]

Nope wide open. On an elevated minimal stand. Full airflow. And external thunderbolt 3 dock to offload as much circuitry as possible from the logic board.

Crazy that it's running so warm!

 

[jz0309]

What OS? Since upgrading my iMac from Mojave to Big Sur a month or so ago, I’ve observed Finder CPU usage at around 40% for no apparent reason, resulting in heat/fan usage more than ever before…
Check what using the CPU…

 

[RumorConsumer]

What OS? Since upgrading my iMac from Mojave to Big Sur a month or so ago, I’ve observed Finder CPU usage at around 40% for no apparent reason, resulting in heat/fan usage more than ever before…
Check what using the CPU…

Not my issue. Big Sur. It’s just warm in my room and I’m driving a 4K display. There’s going to be some heat. At least on this architecture. I think this is precisely why we are changing to Apple Silicon.

 

[RumorConsumer]

Crazy that it's running so warm!

Yeah my room is not air conditioned or well insulated. When it was cooler the fans were much lower but this heat wave has been showing me how delicate a balance cooling is with intel

 

[Dimwhit]

Definitely nice. I have an app that I use with friends (online roleplaying). On my old Mac Mini, the fans would kick on full strength within 30 seconds of launching the app, and stay on the entire 3-4 hours. With my M1 mini, I never hear the fans. At all. It's awesome.

 

[rgarjr]

bye, bye Intel.. it’s been a long run

 

[magbarn]

You do realize it's Apple and AMD's discrete GPU implementation that's causing your heat issues right? The Intel MBP 13 which does not have an AMD GPU runs perfectly fine with 2 external monitors with no overheating. Unfortunately Apple doesn't connect the built in Intel GPU to the external monitor connecters so connecting an external monitor forces the discrete GPU to be on.
There's hundreds of pages here to go through if you have hours to spend: click here

 

[RumorConsumer]

You do realize it's Apple and AMD's discrete GPU implementation that's causing your heat issues right? The Intel MBP 13 which does not have an AMD GPU runs perfectly fine with 2 external monitors with no overheating. Unfortunately Apple doesn't connect the built in Intel GPU to the external monitor connecters so connecting an external monitor forces the discrete GPU to be on.
There's hundreds of pages here to go through if you have hours to spend: click here

Oh interesting idea. I will check that out. Wouldn't the power consumption of my 8 core i9 CPU also be contributing here?

 

[axu2]

The 16" runs super hot if you use more than 1 monitor at a time (or if you use a 1440p external monitor). Try clamshell/closed lid mode with an external monitor in your case.

 

[dinobear]

my 16" 5600M runs great

 

[Freeangel1]

NOPE. they are finding out the internal GPU on APPLE silicon chips is still no match for a separate high end graphics card
Also the M1 is only as good as an Intel i9 chip. and in some cases the i9 beats the M1
PLUS you can never run windows on an M1 Mac
Screw Heat problems. Powerful Chips and graphics cards get Hot. No big deal. They dont crap out any earlier due to Heat.
Whatever Gets the Intensive Graphic Pro work done.

If your just browsing the internet and reading email then the Graphics crippled M1 is for you

REAL PRO's choose INTEL OR AMD CPU's.

 

[RumorConsumer]

NOPE. they are finding out the internal GPU on APPLE silicon chips is still no match for a separate high end graphics card
Also the M1 is only as good as an Intel i9 chip. and in some cases the i9 beats the M1
PLUS you can never run windows on an M1 Mac
Screw Heat problems. Powerful Chips and graphics cards get Hot. No big deal. They dont crap out any earlier due to Heat.
Whatever Gets the Intensive Graphic Pro work done.

If your just browsing the internet and reading email then the Graphics crippled M1 is for you

REAL PRO's choose INTEL OR AMD CPU's.

That perspective seems a bit… short sighted given the news of what Apple is doing in terms of GPU and just plain wrong in light of the realities of what the m1 currently does in terms of watts/performance v intel.

exhibit A:

M1 Mac mini power consumption and thermals vs Intel models - 9to5Mac

The M1 Mac mini power consumption and thermal output figures highlight just how much more efficient Apple Silicon is than the Intel chips ...

9to5mac.com

7 watts at idle.

and look at single core numbers below. That’s insane.


For sure they won’t catch high end GPU on the first go but time will tell. The fact that the performance numbers are so close between the i9, a high end chip, and the M1, which is the baby of the Apple Silicon family is telling of what the near future holds. And if you’ve used an m1 v an i9 the single core performance is absolutely noticeable and quantifiable - the m1 is way snappier. Whatever comes out on the pro end of Apple silicon is going to destroy equivalently positioned (mobile) intel parts and everybody with eyes to see knows it.

 

[prospervic]

NOPE. they are finding out the internal GPU on APPLE silicon chips is still no match for a separate high end graphics card
Also the M1 is only as good as an Intel i9 chip. and in some cases the i9 beats the M1
PLUS you can never run windows on an M1 Mac
Screw Heat problems. Powerful Chips and graphics cards get Hot. No big deal. They dont crap out any earlier due to Heat.
Whatever Gets the Intensive Graphic Pro work done.

If your just browsing the internet and reading email then the Graphics crippled M1 is for you

REAL PRO's choose INTEL OR AMD CPU's.

REAL PROS have open minds and wait to see how Apple's heretofore unseen M1X (or M2, or whatever) processors test and perform, and what they can do actually do before deciding whether or not they are good enough for their workflow.

 

[JahBoolean]

I am sitting here with my top of the line MacBook Pro 16" with an external monitor doing nothing in particular after a clean restart and the fans are on. Not super high. Not unwarranted as its warm in the room on this summer evening but man I am so ready for an Apple Silicon replacement like my friends M1 MacBook Pro that could not care at all that the ambient temperature is like 86 degrees. So so so ready. Intel has been good to me and its time to move on. Take my money Apple.

A1990 here, even worse thermal design, the constant drone is slowly draining my sanity, send help if they delay the release until November.

 

[JahBoolean]

NOPE. they are finding out the internal GPU on APPLE silicon chips is still no match for a separate high end graphics card
Also the M1 is only as good as an Intel i9 chip. and in some cases the i9 beats the M1
PLUS you can never run windows on an M1 Mac
Screw Heat problems. Powerful Chips and graphics cards get Hot. No big deal. They dont crap out any earlier due to Heat.
Whatever Gets the Intensive Graphic Pro work done.

If your just browsing the internet and reading email then the Graphics crippled M1 is for you

REAL PRO's choose INTEL OR AMD CPU's.

(1) Better efficiency = Better thermals = Less noise => Better battery Life = More versatility => More enjoyable workflow

(2) Having a powerful machine is important. But the factors that directly impact productivity are much more varied that you described in your post and you proved a bias toward your own workflow as I did in (1)

Pro Workflows on laptops have always been about compromise. If you want to get real, remote in your *real* machine .

 

[prospervic]

Everybody here knows you should only plug power into the RIGHT SIDE ports of the 16" MBP, right? (Yes, I am serious.) https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-pro-charging-bug-kernel_task

This has made a big difference for me in terms of heat and noise. Not perfect, mind you, but much better.

 

[ignatius345]

I bought one of the last Intel MacBook Airs (i5) last year. I liked some things about the machine but somehow it always managed to slow down and get hot. I'd get maybe 6 hours out of a battery if I was lucky. The M1 is noticably faster at everything, and absolutely sips power by comparison. Now I'm routinely seeing battery run times of 12 hours or more. And because of that, I've only managed to put 13 cycles on the battery over 2 months of consistent daily usage. On my old Intel Air, I'd have used twice as many cycles because I'd be recharging more frequently.

So the M1 is faster, cooler and uses much less of the battery -- which will prolong the lifetime of the battery. I'm trying ot think of any negatives but I can't.

 

[JahBoolean]

I bought one of the last Intel MacBook Airs (i5) last year. I liked some things about the machine but somehow it always managed to slow down and get hot. I'd get maybe 6 hours out of a battery if I was lucky. The M1 is noticably faster at everything, and absolutely sips power by comparison. Now I'm routinely seeing battery run times of 12 hours or more. And because of that, I've only managed to put 13 cycles on the battery over 2 months of consistent daily usage. On my old Intel Air, I'd have used twice as many cycles because I'd be recharging more frequently.

So the M1 is faster, cooler and uses much less of the battery -- which will prolong the lifetime of the battery. I'm trying ot think of any negatives but I can't.

They tanked the resale value for intel mac

 

[RumorConsumer]

They tanked the resale value for intel mac

truly. we're all gonna take this hit. there will be no survivors of the 1st gen pro portable mac exodus seller squad.

 

[PeterJP]

Oh interesting idea. I will check that out. Wouldn't the power consumption of my 8 core i9 CPU also be contributing here?

Yes, if you hit the CPU really hard. Some programs do that even when they don't need to, like Microsoft Teams or OneDrive. But the main problem is that you're working with an internal + external screen setup. Wattage goes up from 5W to 20W without doing anything. That reduces the headroom for the CPU by 15W. So even if you don't do anything useful, the fans can already go crazy. Particularly if ambient temperature is high.

NOPE. they are finding out the internal GPU on APPLE silicon chips is still no match for a separate high end graphics card
Also the M1 is only as good as an Intel i9 chip. and in some cases the i9 beats the M1

Overall, not bad for an entry level chip then, is it? You're comparing an i3 level chip to an i9 and finding it's competing pretty well but not winning overall. While keeping the power usage down by what - 75%? Aaaah, stupid us for liking the M1!

 

[smirking]

Yeah, I'm so tired of my palms sweating in the summer when I'm using my laptop directly.

I'll miss it in the winter though. Heh.