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So the camera is flawed? [purple halo/haze] [merged]
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http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...sers-report-purple-halo-camera-glitch-1100101
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2272535
http://mashable.com/2012/09/26/iphone-5-purple-haze/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57520702-37/iphone-5-camera-users-reporting-purple-halo-on-certain-photos/
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2272535
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2272535
http://mashable.com/2012/09/26/iphone-5-purple-haze/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57520702-37/iphone-5-camera-users-reporting-purple-halo-on-certain-photos/
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2272535
Which is why its called a flare, a flare happens in 2 places, one directly when the light is right on the edge and one when the light angle is such there is a band or curvature of light. In other phones the haze is white, in iPhone 5 its purple. Common sense is delete the picture and reframe
You know what color I want it to be? The same color my eyes see when I look at a bright light. WHICH IS NOT PURPLE. Clearly it is a problem.
If your eyes see directly in the sun you will go blind.
This flare exists in ALL cameras. its only an issue because you want the color to be white so then you can frown at it and delete it. lol
When I look at a desk lamp, I don't go blind and I see a white color. The iPhone doesn't see the same thing my eyes see.
It doesn't happen when the sun is actually in the frame, but around the edge of the frame.
I saw this in a few of my photos taken with the 5 where the sun is right above the edge of the frame. The closer it is the worse it becomes, until it is actually in the shot where it goes away.
What's the harm? The unit is all but finalised. Comparing it to a dev phone is a little ridiculous. Just google lumia 920, no secret this bad boy is landing http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ls-lumia-820-and-920-pricing-and-release-date.
Be prepared for a lot of reviews before you can buy one.
FYI, the iphone 5 was reviewed before it was launched officially
with purple
http://i.imgur.com/rzgqc.jpg
changed angle of where I took the shot by 1 inch (no purple)
http://i.imgur.com/4hO99.jpg
its called common sense. this is not an issue, it happens in all cameras. This is also proof you don't have the iPhone 5 to make such ridiculous assumptions or you would have come up with the same result
I find this thread amusing. I am an apple user myself (I've owned 6 different devices over the years), but I do find it funny that people have been so beaten into the mentality by Apple that we are "using it wrong", that everyone just accepts any downgrade in quality as acceptable.
The facts are:
1. All cameras have the potential to do this, so it's not unique to the iP5 (level set).
2. The 4S did it, but to a (much?) lesser degree (based on my testing, and others here).
3. The camera on the 5 was hailed as an upgrade and specifically called out in the keynote as to how much better it was.
4. And some aspects of it are better. No doubt about that. But in case, this specific issue is worse. And, it has the potential to affect regular photos quite often unless you are actively looking for it to prevent it (as most of us just try to point and shoot as quick as we can to capture whatever is going on in the scene, hence the convenience of a cell phone camera).
I understand it's a camera phone and I understand the physics of the issue. I do. But I do think Apple's fascination with trying to make it smaller and smaller is the direct cause of this issue.
I liken this to buying a car. I can buy a Honda (= Samsung or HTC), or I can buy a BMW (= Apple). I pay more money for the BMW, so naturally, I would expect the BMW to be better. And, if I had the previous model year BMW, and it was already darn near perfect, and I hear from their CEO how much better the new model year BMW is due to its updated engine (which now produces better gas mileage too), I'm expecting the same or better. So, I think I'm within my right to be disappointed when the engine does get better gas mileage now, but at the cost of an occasional minor stutter when I try to accelerate too fast in certain cases. Is it still better than most others? Yes. Is it still a disappointment (in some cases) over the previous model? Yes.
Will we all still use our iPhone 5's? Sure. Will we be happy with all it's other great features? Of course. Will some of us be a bit disappointed when we see that purple blur in more pictures than we had with our 4S? Yes, that's our right to be, as it's not the same or an improvement over the previous model with regard to that. It's worse.
That's my opinion. Flame away if you must...
The facts are:
1. All cameras have the potential to do this, so it's not unique to the iP5 (level set).
2. The 4S did it, but to a (much?) lesser degree (based on my testing, and others here).
3. The camera on the 5 was hailed as an upgrade and specifically called out in the keynote as to how much better it was.
4. And some aspects of it are better. No doubt about that. But in case, this specific issue is worse. And, it has the potential to affect regular photos quite often unless you are actively looking for it to prevent it (as most of us just try to point and shoot as quick as we can to capture whatever is going on in the scene, hence the convenience of a cell phone camera).
I understand it's a camera phone and I understand the physics of the issue. I do. But I do think Apple's fascination with trying to make it smaller and smaller is the direct cause of this issue.
I liken this to buying a car. I can buy a Honda (= Samsung or HTC), or I can buy a BMW (= Apple). I pay more money for the BMW, so naturally, I would expect the BMW to be better. And, if I had the previous model year BMW, and it was already darn near perfect, and I hear from their CEO how much better the new model year BMW is due to its updated engine (which now produces better gas mileage too), I'm expecting the same or better. So, I think I'm within my right to be disappointed when the engine does get better gas mileage now, but at the cost of an occasional minor stutter when I try to accelerate too fast in certain cases. Is it still better than most others? Yes. Is it still a disappointment (in some cases) over the previous model? Yes.
Will we all still use our iPhone 5's? Sure. Will we be happy with all it's other great features? Of course. Will some of us be a bit disappointed when we see that purple blur in more pictures than we had with our 4S? Yes, that's our right to be, as it's not the same or an improvement over the previous model with regard to that. It's worse.
That's my opinion. Flame away if you must...
I find this thread amusing. I am an apple user myself (I've owned 6 different devices over the years), but I do find it funny that people have been so beaten into the mentality by Apple that we are "using it wrong", that everyone just accepts any downgrade in quality as acceptable.
The facts are:
1. All cameras have the potential to do this, so it's not unique to the iP5 (level set).
2. The 4S did it, but to a (much?) lesser degree (based on my testing, and others here).
3. The camera on the 5 was hailed as an upgrade and specifically called out in the keynote as to how much better it was.
4. And some aspects of it are better. No doubt about that. But in case, this specific issue is worse. And, it has the potential to affect regular photos quite often unless you are actively looking for it to prevent it (as most of us just try to point and shoot as quick as we can to capture whatever is going on in the scene, hence the convenience of a cell phone camera).
I understand it's a camera phone and I understand the physics of the issue. I do. But I do think Apple's fascination with trying to make it smaller and smaller is the direct cause of this issue.
I liken this to buying a car. I can buy a Honda (= Samsung or HTC), or I can buy a BMW (= Apple). I pay more money for the BMW, so naturally, I would expect the BMW to be better. And, if I had the previous model year BMW, and it was already darn near perfect, and I hear from their CEO how much better the new model year BMW is due to its updated engine (which now produces better gas mileage too), I'm expecting the same or better. So, I think I'm within my right to be disappointed when the engine does get better gas mileage now, but at the cost of an occasional minor stutter when I try to accelerate too fast in certain cases. Is it still better than most others? Yes. Is it still a disappointment (in some cases) over the previous model? Yes.
Will we all still use our iPhone 5's? Sure. Will we be happy with all it's other great features? Of course. Will some of us be a bit disappointed when we see that purple blur in more pictures than we had with our 4S? Yes, that's our right to be, as it's not the same or an improvement over the previous model with regard to that. It's worse.
That's my opinion. Flame away if you must...
look above. the Camera is exactly the same as 4S. 4S at the exact location at the exact angle will produce the exact same purple haze. haze being white or purple will always be there in all cameras. Its not called a purple blur its a haze caused by chromatic aberration and it exists in DSLRs as well. You cannot hide away from it. You also have the right to use common sense and have some semblance of intelligence when looking at this.
Out of these 3 photographs, the iPhone 5 looks the worst. Anyone with 2 eyes can see that. Yet the Apple apologists want you to "think different".
One way around the problems is to read Photography 101, then read lighting 101, then after, you may want to go get a good DSLR.
All 3 look worse. Would you frame any of the 3 or change the angle on all 3 thus resulting in all 3 having no lens flare whatsoever. Its intelligence
What's the harm? The unit is all but finalised. Comparing it to a dev phone is a little ridiculous. Just google lumia 920, no secret this bad boy is landing http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...ls-lumia-820-and-920-pricing-and-release-date.
Be prepared for a lot of reviews before you can buy one.
FYI, the iphone 5 was reviewed before it was launched officially
There is no harm for the publisher. However, if I'm a normal phone buyer who want the 920 and only to find out it will not be out until November after reading the reviews, I'd be a little bit upset. It is like dangle a carrot in front of me and I can't reach it.
In depth iPhone 5 reviews only showed up 2 days before the iphone went on sale. By releasing review 2 months before the product goes on sell is a good way to damp consumer enthusiasm IMO.
It is like the MS surface tablet, MS would not let people to touch it on the launch event 3 months back.
Still I'm looking forward to get a 820 when it is out.
Well, I was told here that this is not an issue. They were correct.
I did go to Apple Store and kind of wasted a little of "Apple's resources" regardless. Was just kind of frustrated.
Thank you for all of you who educated me about this.
I was able to recreate the purple " issue" in four out of four IP5 at the store. Look like this is just the nature of the beast.
They offered me a new one. I declined. I did not see the point.
Just wanted to share my experience. They documented my visit, just in case.
I did go to Apple Store and kind of wasted a little of "Apple's resources" regardless. Was just kind of frustrated.
Thank you for all of you who educated me about this.
I was able to recreate the purple " issue" in four out of four IP5 at the store. Look like this is just the nature of the beast.
They offered me a new one. I declined. I did not see the point.
Just wanted to share my experience. They documented my visit, just in case.
Just did a test at work. A co-worker's 5 had the purple flare in it for any picture where direct light was in the frame (mostly when it is around the edges). My 4S does not no matter how I put the light in there.
Looks like a pretty serious problem to me. No clue how Apple missed it.
Looks like a pretty serious problem to me. No clue how Apple missed it.
I know...This is not a defect...Seems like folks are making up defects and they have no idea what they are talking about..
I'm trying like hell to recreate the issue, but no luck. I'm even pointing right into light sources. Did I just get a good copy or something?? I know many problems are overblown on Internet threads because only the ones with issues report on it, but they're making this sound like its an issue with every phone by the way the camera was designed.
All cameras are susceptible to this to some degree. It seems the lens in the iPhone 5 is a bit more susceptible to this, but is better in other respects. It's a compromise. Maybe Apple might make some silent design changes (such as adding a polarizing filter to the lens) but that may have other consequences. In the meantime, note that it appears in the view finder screen, so if it does, just tilt the camera away from the light a bit.
It appears with the longer phone the pictures are now longer? Or at least yours look to be. Does that mean every time someone fails to rotate their phone 90 degrees before shooting video that we are going to have even larger black bars on both sides of youtube videos? (I think people should be rotating their phones 90 degrees to shoot pictures as well, but it's not nearly as bad as with videos)