iPhone 11 So the iPhone 11 is by far the most successful model this time?

[Adelphos33]

CIRP: iPhone 11 dominated US iPhone sales this quarter | AppleInsider

Apple's iPhone 11, 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max were the most popular models sold in the United States in the holiday quarter, according to Consumer Intelligence Research Partners, with research also indicating the 2019 launches sold in higher proportions than the 2018 models in their launch quarter.

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This suggests that the 11 is selling more than both pro models combined. I'm seeing a lot of 11 out in the wild. I also see a good amount of 11 Pro and Pro Max.

It seems like this model year has been a lot more successful than the XS/XS Max/XR line and potentially even more successful than the 8/X line.

Why?

 

[Dulcimer]

Probably because it’s marketed as an “11” as opposed to some weird offshoot like XR. So you get a part of the flagship 11-series starting at only $700.

 

[VineRider]

I would expect pricing. You get the latest processor and a good camera for less than the Pro, and just a bit more than the XR....Entirely a guess on my part, but I think price is likely the driving factor

 

[JPack]

The XR was the best selling iPhone in 2018 as well. It outsold the Xs Max at least 2:1.

The price, size, and performance of the XR and 11 simply make sense for most consumers.

It's difficult to sell a relatively small 5.8" display in 2020 for $999. Even Apple has recognized this and will be discontinuing the 5.8".

 

[bobsamm]

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Hello @therealdeal

 

[nfl46]

Probably because it’s marketed as an “11” as opposed to some weird offshoot like XR. So you get a part of the flagship 11-series starting at only $700.

You sound like the XR didn't sell well. Lol. In Dec 2019, the XR was second behind the 11. For the extra $100, the 11 is a better pick over the XR in 2019, though.

But jeez, the XR and 11 are selling VERY well. I see soooo many XR/11 nowadays.

 

[ilikewhey]

You sound like the XR didn't sell well. Lol. In Dec 2019, the XR was second behind the 11. For the extra $100, the 11 is a better pick over the XR in 2019, though.

But jeez, the XR and 11 are selling VERY well. I see soooo many XR/11 nowadays.

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makes sense, going to the pro you get oled and a telephoto lense that you can't even use night mode on. i went with the 11 for that reason.

 

[tripleburst]

When you get the same wide and ultrawide cameras, CPU and same amount of RAM as the Pro's but at a more friendly price point, you can see why it makes sense to a lot of people.

 

[FlippyGonnaSnap]

The solution to declining sales is compromise not innovation. -Jon Prosser

Both the XR and iPhone 11 are proof of this.

 

[44267547]

Probably because it’s marketed as an “11” as opposed to some weird offshoot like XR. So you get a part of the flagship 11-series starting at only $700.

Yup. The XR naming scheme was completely awkward. When Apple actually follows the ‘numbering scheme’ as they always have, it gives consumers the idea of what the newest iPhone is. When Apple uses monikers like XR, consumers don’t know exactly where that phone stands in place with all the other models. So it helps when Apple graduates newer models followed by iPhone X, iPhone 11, iPhone 12, etc.

 

[BuggyGT]

The iPhone 11 is just a really good value. I paid $1250 for my 11 Pro Max 256GB and I definitely do not feel it was worth that value but I had to have the bigger screen.

 

[Mac2019]

Yup. The XR naming scheme was completely awkward. When Apple actually follows the ‘numbering scheme’ as they always have, it gives consumers the idea of what the newest iPhone is. When Apple uses monikers like XR, consumers don’t know exactly where that phone stands in place with all the other models. So it helps when Apple graduates newer models followed by iPhone X, iPhone 11, iPhone 12, etc.

Probably because it’s marketed as an “11” as opposed to some weird offshoot like XR. So you get a part of the flagship 11-series starting at only $700.

Can this actually be a reason? It isn't hard for consumers to find out which is the latest model.

 

[44267547]

It isn't hard for consumers to find out which is the latest model.

That wasn’t the point addressed at all. How many consumers know what the XR model offers over the latest iPhones or even what ‘XR’ Or ‘XS’ stands for? (Rhetorical) The answer is... they don’t. By using just simple numbers, it simplifies the hierarchy of which iPhone is the newest from the oldest.

From my perspective, the only way consumers know what the ‘latest model’ is, is by what Apple promotes for marketing what you see on TV/billboards/posters, etc.

 

[tripleburst]

The XR vs 11 naming scheme argument doesn't hold water. They were both the best selling models during their respective periods.

 

[Mac2019]

That wasn’t the point addressed at all. How many consumers know what the XR model offers over the latest iPhones or even what ‘XR’ Or ‘XS’ stands for? (Rhetorical) The answer is... they don’t. By using just simple numbers, it simplifies the hierarchy of which iPhone is the newest from the oldest.

From my perspective, the only way consumers know what the ‘latest model’ is, is by what Apple promotes for marketing what you see on TV/billboards/posters, etc.

How does the name of it impact consumers' ability to look online at the specs? You're mixing up two different queries here; being able to see what the xr offers over the latest model is different to knowing what is most recent based on a numbering system (and even if every release was number sequentially, if people aren't in the know they may not even know what the latest one is anyway.

Surely no one goes into an iPhone purchase without knowing where it sits in the line up? So I don't know where XR sits in relation to 8/11 etc., surely I google "latest iPhone" or "iPhone releases by date".

 

[44267547]

How does the name of it impact consumers' ability to look online at the specs?

Do you really believe the average consumer just visits Apple‘s website to see the comparison page for differences of a smart phone? They upgrade probably through incentive through their carrier (Rather due to aging battery/lack of iOS support), to pick the color/storage/price, that’s really about it. I mean, that’s like asking if they know what 3D Touch is, which we all know they don’t know what 3D Touch is or how it even works. And you’re giving credit thinking that they spend time on Apple‘s website to figure these things out? Likely not. I think you’re giving way too much credit here for all the features that consumers generally don’t understand (And Probably don’t care to), aside from the camera, which Apple heavily promotes.

being able to see what the xr offers over the latest model is different to knowing what is most recent based on a numbering system

As already iterated, Consumers don’t care about the naming scheme of an iPhone, however it’s confusing when Apple uses monikers like XR/XS (Which is why it’s more sensible to use just a simple number versus these in between variable numerics).

All that matter is this, Consumers see three things, 1.) Price, 2.) Color and 3.)Storage option. Nothing else is really that major of a selling point to them in terms of what their previous smart phone does that all the newest phones typically offer aside from Face ID/Tri-Lens.

Surely no one goes into an iPhone purchase without knowing where it sits in the line up?

Ok? Do you think consumers care? Why would they need to know what every model offers in terms of tangible differences of every little feature, I’d wager that consumers want the price point of the v.s. the mentality of “I want the most expensive iPhone Apple offers”, <—That’s not logical] which is probably indicative of why the XR sold so well in 2018, and why the iPhone 11 is vastly popular today.

The endpoint, the naming scheme is confusing, and I have no doubt you could ask an average consumer what XR stands for or what XS stands for, and they probably couldn’t tell you the differences between those phones, let alone what that actually means, which I doubt they spent time on Apple‘s website trying to figure out those differences. They probably select the phone based on what their carrier is promoting through incentives/promotions, which is probably the entry-level iPhone under the ‘Pro’.

 

[Mac2019]

Do you really believe the average consumer just visits Apple‘s website to see the comparison page for differences of a smart phone? They upgrade probably through incentive through their carrier (Rather due to aging battery/lack of iOS support), to pick the color/storage/price, that’s really about it. I mean, that’s like asking if they know what 3D Touch is, which we all know they don’t know what 3D Touch is or how it even works. And you’re giving credit thinking that they spend time on Apple‘s website to figure these things out? Likely not. I think you’re giving way too much credit here for all the features that consumers generally don’t understand (And Probably don’t care to), aside from the camera, which Apple heavily promotes.



As already iterated, Consumers don’t care about the naming scheme of an iPhone, however it’s confusing when Apple uses monikers like XR/XS (Which is why it’s more sensible to use just a simple number versus these in between variable numerics).

All that matter is this, Consumers see three things, 1.) Price, 2.) Color and 3.)Storage option. Nothing else is really that major of a selling point to them in terms of what their previous smart phone does that all the newest phones typically offer aside from Face ID/Tri-Lens.



Ok? Do you think consumers care? Why would they need to know what every model offers in terms of tangible differences of every little feature, I’d wager that consumers want the price point of the v.s. the mentality of “I want the most expensive iPhone Apple offers”, <—That’s not logical] which is probably indicative of why the XR sold so well in 2018, and why the iPhone 11 is vastly popular today.

The endpoint, the naming scheme is confusing, and I have no doubt you could ask an average consumer what XR stands for or what XS stands for, and they probably couldn’t tell you the differences between those phones, let alone what that actually means, which I doubt they spent time on Apple‘s website trying to figure out those differences. They probably select the phone based on what their carrier is promoting through incentives/promotions, which is probably the entry-level iPhone under the ‘Pro’.

Fair enough, perhaps I am giving them too much credit but I just find it hard to believe people would get into something so expensive without doing any or very little research. Baffling.

I still don't think the numbering/naming convention matters. As has already been stated the XR and 11 sold incredibly well because they are premium phones at a budget (in Apple terms) price. No brainer for most people, but I would still expect people to do research. The price difference between an 11 128gb and a pro max 256 is eye watering (I used those examples as they are the easiest to compare for the larger phone) so I can see why people upgrading from a lesser phone would opt for the 11, but would still expect them to do some research.

 

[bobsamm]

Fair enough, perhaps I am giving them too much credit but I just find it hard to believe people would get into something so expensive without doing any or very little research. Baffling.

I still don't think the numbering/naming convention matters. As has already been stated the XR and 11 sold incredibly well because they are premium phones at a budget (in Apple terms) price. No brainer for most people, but I would still expect people to do research. The price difference between an 11 128gb and a pro max 256 is eye watering (I used those examples as they are the easiest to compare for the larger phone) so I can see why people upgrading from a lesser phone would opt for the 11, but would still expect them to do some research.

Might be eye watering for you, some people actually use their phone as a business tool so it earns them their income, and is a tax right off.
Not everyone buys a phone for FB and insta and watsap.

I had a relo here on hols over xmas upgrade from a 2.5 year old 7 plus, that phone was $1449AUD here on release (how's that for eye watering) She wanted the biggest best iPhone available, didn't even look at a 11.
Her monthly is the same as the 7 plus for a Pro Max 256Gb.
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The iPhone 11 is just a really good value. I paid $1250 for my 11 Pro Max 256GB and I definitely do not feel it was worth that value but I had to have the bigger screen.

It's over priced imo, not even as good a screen as a 8 plus.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It’s not a surprise the iPhone 11 is so popular is it? It’s £700 and has the same processor and main/wide angle camera as the 11 Pro. It’s a great phone and sensibly priced to reach the lions share of the market. It’s pretty obvious it would capture most of the new iPhone market I would say.

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Hello @therealdeal

I’ve just noticed this as you tagged me incorrectly while fishing for my reaction. Thanks again for demonstrating my point about you looking down on iPhone 11 users.

 

[one more]

I would expect pricing. You get the latest processor and a good camera for less than the Pro, and just a bit more than the XR....Entirely a guess on my part, but I think price is likely the driving factor

Don’t forget an extra camera and a night mode, compared to the XR. 😉
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It's difficult to sell a relatively small 5.8" display in 2020 for $999. Even Apple has recognized this and will be discontinuing the 5.8".

Well, Apple could have just lowered the price of a 5.8” display models this autumn. Instead they apparently decided to reduce the screen size to 5.4” and would probably still charge somewhere between the current 11 and 11 Pro prices for it.
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Can this actually be a reason? It isn't hard for consumers to find out which is the latest model.

I do not think customers care so much about the names - what sells well is the latest tech/functionality for a reasonable price, so 11 wins in all of these categories this year. A while ago iPhones were unique for a while, now you have Android phones replicating the latest Apple stuff or surpassing it in a matter of months, often at a much more affordable price. IMHO, Apple really need to push iOS forward to keep iPhone users staying loyal to the brand.

 

[tripleburst]

Might be eye watering for you, some people actually use their phone as a business tool so it earns them their income, and is a tax right off.
Not everyone buys a phone for FB and insta and watsap.

I had a relo here on hols over xmas upgrade from a 2.5 year old 7 plus, that phone was $1449AUD here on release (how's that for eye watering) She wanted the biggest best iPhone available, didn't even look at a 11.
Her monthly is the same as the 7 plus for a Pro Max 256Gb.
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And what pray tell can the Pro do as a "business tool" that the 11 can't? They have the same amount of RAM and same CPU. Their benchmarks are practically the same. This might be eye watering for you but you can use the 11 for more than "FB, insta and watsap". I've seen older phones still being used in business today.

I mean this is stuff you can look up yourself before spouting nonsense.

 

[JPack]

Well, Apple could have just lowered the price of a 5.8” display models this autumn. Instead they apparently decided to reduce the screen size to 5.4” and would probably still charge somewhere between the current 11 and 11 Pro prices for it.

The 5.4" iPhone is expected to slot below the mainstream 6.1" iPhone. So the price will reflect that.

I think the idea behind the 5.4" iPhone is to deliver a relatively low-cost 5G device between $500-$600. The 5.8" iPhone 11 Pro will still cost $899 this fall.

 

[one more]

The 5.4" iPhone is expected to slot below the mainstream 6.1" iPhone. So the price will reflect that.

I think the idea behind the 5.4" iPhone is to deliver a relatively low-cost 5G device between $500-$600. The 5.8" iPhone 11 Pro will still cost $899 this fall.

We shall see. For $500-600 it could sell very well, I am just not so sure about Apple’s pricing for it, considering a rumoured OLED screen, a 5G modem, etc. Effectively, it will replace iPhone 11 Pro, taking away some screen estate and the third camera in the process.

 

[JPack]

We shall see. For $500-600 it could sell very well, I am just not so sure about Apple’s pricing for it, considering a rumoured OLED screen, a 5G modem, etc. Effectively, it will replace iPhone 11 Pro, taking away some screen estate and the third camera in the process.

For the past six months, Xiaomi has been selling their A3 with 6.1" OLED for $169. Right now, Xiaomi sells their K30 5G for $289. It comes with Snapdragon X52.

I think Apple will be very comfortable with the margins on a $600 iPhone with 5.4" OLED.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

For the past six months, Xiaomi has been selling their A3 with 6.1" OLED for $169. Right now, Xiaomi sells their K30 5G for $289. It comes with Snapdragon X52.

I think Apple will be very comfortable with the margins on a $600 iPhone with 5.4" OLED.

To be honest I’d be more than happy if the mid tier devices this year continue to use LCD. If the screens are as good as what we’ve had on the XR and the 11, I think it’s good enough. I’d rather they don’t scrimp on other features just to accommodate an OLED panel which may have a higher raw material price. I think they got it right this year with the 11 as it’s so close in performance to their flagship range.