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So what exactly should the MBPr be called?
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It's also how it appears in the service provider support documentation and in all online support documentation regarding this model:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5399
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4309
So if anybody asks me, I shall say Macbook Pro Retina Mid-2012, or just Macbook Pro Retina?
I bought the refreshed 13" MBP this year and yes, in fact I do wish it had been released without an optical drive, Ethernet port and sd card reader. It's 2012, I have no need for any of that antiquated dead weight on my notebook computer.
However, I don't need retina & I would rather not pay 1/3 more just to get 500gb of storage in a MBA. Lastly, I was able to install 16gb of RAM for $120 which also wouldn't have been an option for the MBA. All for a tidy $1300 price tag.
Once the retina screens become standard I assume it will be called MBP again, like it always was.
"Should' doesn't really matter. It's what people end up calling it that decides in the end.
Ok, there are many people with different hobbies or jobs that use the macbook pro differently:
Since i am a buisness man, i travel alot, traveling means hotels, hotels have that table with that ethernet cable, I need to connect to it. That why i use my T to E adapter all the time.
DJs, DJ's are in hell if they have no optical drives. I know somebody who actually got the macbook pro, just for the disc drive internal than an external superdrive that would be annoying dragging it around.
SD cards i dont use, though every computer I see has them. It is still a thing, just not as popular as a usb port.
I would drop the "mid 2012" for now since there's only one revision.
Definitely.
Mac(intosh)(Note)Book Pro(fessional) with Retina Display mid 2012 model.
Are we naming laptops or Android phones here?
Are we naming laptops or Android phones here?
Yeh but you're describing niche uses for the optical drives and the ethernet port. For people who really need an optical drive or an ethernet port, there are suitable alternatives, but I would hazard a guess that 90% of users probably don't need either at this point in time.
0 units? Check again, routers and chipsets are available.
How often do you move your 1.2 TB around? I don't use ethernet for that either, I use thunderbolt or firewire. But that's regardless, because you're BOTTLENECKED AGAIN by whatever drive you're using. Unless you have an awesome RAID setup, in which case you should be using Thunderbolt not ethernet.
Again, you're grasping at straws for use of ethernet. Of course moving your library would be faster if you use ethernet, but for that singular instance then just use the adapter if you must. In what situation are you using your ethernet connection everyday, and using it because you need speeds higher than what WiFi offers. And by Wifi, I mean 802.11ac, which are available.
If you desperately need it in a singular instance, use the adapter. The OP argued people need on a regular basis. The instance you've provided is very unique scenario, which has alternative solutions. Again, I equate it to buying a minivan because you're going to move once.
How many people use ethernet in a similar fashion? Probably some, but not the overwhelming majority. These times are a changing, and people will change with it. My point was never that WiFi can/will replace ethernet bit for bit. It will replace it out of convenience and satisfactory performance for 99% of users.
One more aspect that I overlooked, thunderbolt could replace ethernet. Most of the future ethernet technology relies on fiber optics. If/when we reach that stage, thunderbolt will be an equally viable alternative.
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You can't use the hotel wifi? If you're bringing the ethernet cord, why not just leave the adapter at the end. It would make little difference to carrying just the cord.
I'm not up-to-date with DJ equipment, but if they're carry a cd case, they can't carry a super drive? Also, I'm sure they offer high-quality digital downloads. FLAC offers CD-quality sound. And don't they pre-rip the file to their computer? At home?
Why force yourself to bring the CD tray at home when you can leave it behind?
Yes, it is the best-selling MacBook, but only because of its price point. A large chunk of MBP13 buyers are college students who couldn't give a **** about having an optical drive or Ethernet. It certainly isn't the case that people are buying this specific model solely for these two features.
Ding, Ding, Ding. I absolutely fall in that category. Any downloads can go through the ubiquitous WiFi, or overly large ones can use the adapter in the rare occasion where that is necessary.
There were two instances in my entire college education where I would have benefitted from ethernet. Downloading the entire Adobe Creative Suite, and downloading Windows 7.
The majority of people buying it don't even know what an Ethernet port is and don't use the optical drive.
My preference is to abbreviate it MBPr, though I think I may been out-voted. In a year's time a non-retina Mac may the the anomaly, so we'll just be able to use MBP for our MBPrs and MBPnr for non-retina. This is my theory and I'm stickin' to it.This is kind of a stupid question, but the same thing happened with the iPad 3, or new iPad or whatever. The Apple site listed it as the "the MacBook Pro with retina display" which is an incredibly long title for a device. So I started calling it the MacBook Pro retina, than I see amazon and google results of the retina MacBook, MacBook retina, retina display MacBook Pro, MacBook Pro 2012. This will kind of be annoying when your searching for cases, sleeves, etc so what do you think should the MBPr be called or what's the most popular? Imagine how cheesy it will be when somebody ask what computer it is and you say "the MacBook Pro with retina display, Innovation in every dimension"
For a while there it looked like Wireless USB might get some traction. Now it looks like the window has closed and focus is being put on 60GHz.
Exactly
I'm not sure that's a fair analysis. 802.11ac supports up to 8 spatial streams and will no-doubt be deployed in laptops with at least three as 802.11n is today. So even assuming your 40% protocol overhead estimate (which I think is a stretch), 802.11ac should allow 900Mbps.
Possibly... but the prevailing wisdom is that ac is headed for finalization within 90-120 days with ratification in 1st quarter 2013. Given that both 802.11g and 802.11n were widely deployed with the spec in official draft stage, my bet is that we'll see wide adoption of ac long before 10GBase-T sees wide adoption. I wish that wasn't the case. I've personally paid $800+ for Broadcom BCM57711 NICs for our servers. I'd love to see some economies of scale hit the 10GigE market. Have you priced a Cisco 6500 lately?
I used to do the same thing. Now I figure compile time is a good time for me to push away and go for a walk, rest my eyes.
I'm a big user of GigE though. I have two Thunderbolt-to-GigE adapters.I don't give a flying crap what it's called. I just enjoy using it and have better things in life to worry about.
Bryan
Bryan
What to call it eh?
As compared to my MBA, I'll sum it up in one word.
BiggerBetterFasterNeaterSmoother
As compared to my MBA, I'll sum it up in one word.
BiggerBetterFasterNeaterSmoother
802.11ac spatial streams support a theoretical maximum of ~80 Mbps. 8 spatial streams at maximum theoretical throughput is 640 Mbps, which is nowhere close to 900 Mbps.
Given that 802.11n has approximately 50% overhead, it's not unreasonable to expect 802.11ac to cap out around 300 goodput - if you sit next to your router.
802.11ac is not out of draft. Thus not a single device is certified for 802.11ac.
A single modern day 2.5-inch mechanical hard drive is able to bottleneck 1000GBASE-T. What do you think they'll do to an 802.11ac connection which is slower?
See signature. The RAID resides on a PC so it doesn't have access to Thunderbolt. Not everyone runs an entirely Apple ecosystem. I REGULARLY move 100-200 GB of images in just for my research.
Apple fanboys can't stand it when people don't fit their "ideal usage scenarios". There's more people out there than you think that use 1000GBase-T. There are less than 5 posters on this thread talking about Ethernet, and myself and OP already don't think Ethernet is enough. That's a far cry from 99%.
Thunderbolt will never ever replace Ethernet. It's not even the same layer of networking. Ethernet is a protocol, Thunderbolt is a PHY.
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I'm posting off my phone but I'll try to address your concerns.
Certified or not, it works. No? And is available, no? You said zero units. There are units.
I'm not sure of your point with the hard drive. If the HDD bottlenecks the Ethernet and the wifi, what's the difference? Wifi will have the same speed due to the HDD. Only if the wifi bottlenecks even lower will it matter.
You're a researcher? So you know 5 people in an online forum is not an appropriate sample size. Of course the people who are against the removal are going to post. Vocal minority? It always happens. That's why you posted, isn't it? Your scenario is unique and you have to realize that. I don't think many people transfer 100s of GB/day to a drive so closed off to an Apple computer
I'm truly sorry the retina doesn't fit your needs perfectly. To be honest, it doesn't perfectly fit mine either. But even your scenario is easily remedied. Here are your options:
1. Use wifi and wait 1.2 - 2 times longer.
2. Use a different external source
3. Just plug in the adapter. I mean really, it sits on the end of the Ethernet cord. It hardly makes a difference. It's about as cumbersome as transferring 100s of GB of files a day
4. USB 3.0 would be super-easy and a much faster transfer!
5. Use thunderbolt
I've literally given you 5 solutions to your predicament (some result in an even FASTER transfer!!!), but you seem bound determined that a wired ethernet connection without an adapter is the ONLY way you'll be happy. Is it possible that it's just you?
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