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Let's all just settle down. The purpose of this thread was not to inflame some sort of unfounded war between the marked and the unmarked. :)

Oh, and beatle888, you can make more than one point in a post rather than making three posts in a row for what are essentially very similar points. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just pointing out some forum etiquette. :p
 
beatle888 said:
tell me about it. ok so tattoos arent self destructive, they arent a sign of rebellion against mainstream culture.....damn everything is ass backwards....what planet are we on? you know what. this post takes away everything that i thought was GOOD about tattoos.

whats sexy these days, bill gates?


you my friend, need to get out more. There is a world outside the walls of your church.
 
mad jew said:
Let's all just settle down. The purpose of this thread was not to inflame some sort of unfounded war between the marked and the unmarked. :)

Oh, and beatle888, you can make more than one point in a post rather than making three posts in a row for what are essentially very similar points. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just pointing out some forum etiquette. :p


oh great...now we have some people wanting tattoos on the one hand and schooling me on etiquette with the other :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


such a juxtapose. everything is colliding, no one knows which end the nose is on anymore.
 
mad jew said:
Should I reply now or wait for you to do another three posts or so... :p


I'm just playing. :D


hey are you a jew? i need to get out more can i come over to your church and play?
 
ok maybe you all need to understand this the OSX way.

you'll need safari to take part.


command > control > D and hover the cursor over each big, bold and easy to read word below. open your mind and let the text flow into your head...then try to catch it with your brain.

Deface




self
 
OOOOOOOOOKKKKKKK.....

back on topic....
I would either get the sad face mac from the pre OS x days, or get a traditional tattoo, surrounded by the screen of my favorite mac. For instance, get a tattoo of a sunset, and have that set as the "background" of the tattoo of your, lets say, PB.
 
faintember said:
OOOOOOOOOKKKKKKK.....

back on topic....
I would either get the sad face mac from the pre OS x days, or get a traditional tattoo, surrounded by the screen of my favorite mac. For instance, get a tattoo of a sunset, and have that set as the "background" of the tattoo of your, lets say, PB.


:D
 
faintember said:
OOOOOOOOOKKKKKKK.....

back on topic....
I would either get the sad face mac from the pre OS x days, or get a traditional tattoo, surrounded by the screen of my favorite mac. For instance, get a tattoo of a sunset, and have that set as the "background" of the tattoo of your, lets say, PB.


see i told you. self destructive. negative sad mac face. negative being the opposite of positive. positive being healthy and constructive. the opposite of healthy and constructive is what boys and girls? i know you know the answer.

and the second tattoo. that sounds nice. but i couldnt take anyone with a tattoo of a computer seriously. not to be mean but i mean. that would be like having a picture of a rocket ship on your arm. how about a honda...civic? their a good company and they did a lot for the planet and for the common people by giving us such a lovely dependable car. how about my Crest toothpaste. I can see it now in a lovely script font on the back of my neck....


"Crest is the best"
 
beatle888 said:
see it told you. self destructive. negative mac face. negative being the opposite of positive. positive being healthy and constructive. the opposite of healthy and constructive is what boys and girls? i know you know the answer.
Could be seen (as it was intended) as sarcasm. Besides, some people (me included) work on more of an, lets say, dark approach to life.

and the second tattoo. that sounds nice. but i couldnt take anyone with a tattoo of a computer seriously. not to be mean but i mean. that would be like having a picture of a rocket ship on your arm. how about a honda...civic? their a good company and they did a lot for the planet and for the common people by giving us such a lovely dependable car.
I couldnt take anyone wearing something from Abercrombie and Finch seriously.;) It is all a matter of perception.

This is my tattoo, although it is in white, on my chest:

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faintember said:
Sings quietly...
"why can't weeee be friends, why can't weeee be friends?":p

no, not at all like that. i dont have anything against anyone of you. i know what world we live in. and its all a bunch of brothers and sisters doing whatever gets them through the night. my old girlfriends exboyfriend has tattoos of flames running from the tip of...(yea you guessed it) all the way down, and he has a prince albert too. it looks like a 57 chevy with the paint job and the chrome. i dont have anything against him.
 
beatle888 said:
are you black? what does it say?
No, i am lilly white.
The text says:
"I have seen with my own eyes the Sibyl hanging in a jar, and when the boys asked her 'What do you want?' She answered,
'I want to die'".

It is the epigraph from T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land.
The text is originally from Petronius' Satyricon. The Cumaean Sibyl was the most famous of the Sibyls, the prophetic old women of Greek mythology. She had been granted immortality by Apollo, but because she forgot to ask for perpetual youth, she shrank into withered old age.
 
intrepkid21 said:
I was thinking vintage Apple logo with Think Different written underneath either in English or Italian. Might be a little crazy but I think that'd be awesome. What do you think? What would you get if you were to get an Apple-inspired tattoo?

umm, i wouldn't get a corporate logo tattoo'd on me, anywhere.
 
beatle888 said:
RacerX come on. i know YOU can agree that its self destructive. im talking basic terms here. im not saying that one who has tattoos is going to self destruct.
In basic terms, much of what we do to ourselves in society are self destructive.

I shave everyday... many times causing myself to bleed. I guess that is a form of being self destructive in your mind?

i just think its sorta silly.
Fair enough, you could have just left it at that.

The problem is... you didn't. You tried to justify why people shouldn't do it.

i think i just proved my point. you deface (definition– spoil the surface or appearance of, to mar or disfigure) yourself with tattoos therefor, according to the english language im right and you ALL, that includes RacerX himself, are wrong.

its funny that one of you here said my statement was ignorant hehe not according to webster.
It is only defacing by your characterization. To me it is ornamental.

Lets look at the word ornamental:
ornamental \or`na*men"tal\, a. [Cf. F. ornemental.]
Serving to ornament; characterized by ornament; beautifying;
embellishing.

ornamental (as in "cosmetic") adj. : serving an esthetic rather than a useful purpose; "cosmetic fenders on cars"; "the buildings were utilitarian rather than decorative"
and also the word ornament:
ornament \or"na*ment\, n. [OE. ornement, F. ornement, fr. L.
ornamentum, fr. ornare to adorn.]
That which embellishes or adorns; that which adds grace or
beauty; embellishment; decoration; adornment.

To me, my tattoo meets these definitions.

I didn't do it to be cool (I have no idea if anyone thinks it is cool... other than my wife who really likes it), it was something that was deeply personal that I took months to design and additional months to find the right artist to have it done by. Most people don't even know I have a tattoo. And frankly, it wasn't for them anyways.

And if you are curious as to what it looks like... go to my home page.
 
faintember said:
No, i am lilly white.
The text says:
"I have seen with my own eyes the Sibyl hanging in a jar, and when the boys asked her 'What do you want?' She answered,
'I want to die'".

It is the epigraph from T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land.
The text is originally from Petronius' Satyricon. The Cumaean Sibyl was the most famous of the Sibyls, the prophetic old women of Greek mythology. She had been granted immortality by Apollo, but because she forgot to ask for perpetual youth, she shrank into withered old age.


thats funny, so if she was really so prophetic you think she would of saw her fait. so destructive.

before i read about the Greek mythology in your post i looked up the name "Sibyl" (by holding down command > control > D and hovering over her name i love osx) i thought "oh, a woman, she probably saw herself in the future as old and ugly and freaked out so she wanted to die.

anyway, sounds like a cool tattoo
 
RacerX said:
In basic terms, much of what we do to ourselves in society are self destructive.

I shave everyday... many times causing myself to bleed. I guess that is a form of being self destructive in your mind?

come on, i never said anything like that. did you cut yourself on purpose? NO. why are you trying to turn around what i say? it would of been an accident. thats not your fault.

RacerX said:
Fair enough, you could have just left it at that.

The problem is... you didn't. You tried to justify why people shouldn't do it.

did I?

RacerX said:
It is only defacing by your characterization. To me it is ornamental.

Lets look at the word ornamental:
ornamental \or`na*men"tal\, a. [Cf. F. ornemental.]
Serving to ornament; characterized by ornament; beautifying;
embellishing.

ornamental (as in "cosmetic") adj. : serving an esthetic rather than a useful purpose; "cosmetic fenders on cars"; "the buildings were utilitarian rather than decorative"
and also the word ornament:
ornament \or"na*ment\, n. [OE. ornement, F. ornement, fr. L.
ornamentum, fr. ornare to adorn.]
That which embellishes or adorns; that which adds grace or
beauty; embellishment; decoration; adornment.

To me, my tattoo meets these definitions.

you are physically harming yourself for ornamentation. if the end result is ornamentation thats beside the point. the act is still harmful. if you dont think its physically harmful than maybe we should be discussing sadomasochism?

tell me RacerX, is sticking yourself repetetively until you welt and bleed and your skin scabs and scars destructive? honestly?
 
beatle888 said:
come on, i never said anything like that. did you cut yourself on purpose? NO. why are you trying to turn around what i say? it would of been an accident. thats not your fault.
But I was doing something that I knew would cause bleeding. I have nicked myself nearly once a week for 23 years... why, because it is part of our society that males shave (alter our natural appearance).

You were the one trying to show us what people with tattoos were like by quoting a study.

Yeah, you did.

you are physically harming yourself for ornamentation.
are?

That sounds like it is something that is continuously happening. I am not harming myself at all right now with a tattoo. By comparison, I do continuous damage to myself shaving. And my tattoo hurt less than having my wisdom teeth removed. And it was done and over with years ago.

if the end result is ornamentation thats beside the point. the act is still harmful. if you dont think its physically harmful than maybe we should be discussing sadomasochism?
Odd, I would hardly classify enduring a small amount of pain for a few hours years ago as sadomasochism.

You are aware of what sadomasochism is... right? The misuse of the term doesn't help your case. If anything, it hurts your standing. You were so proud of yourself earlier by looking up a definition... this would be a good time to do it again.

And ornamentation was the only point. Once the tattoo was in place, there was no continuous pain or suffering. I don't feel anything there like that (usually I forget about it altogether).

And we shouldn't forget that by your own admission you are far more self destructive than I ever have been. :D

tell me RacerX, is sticking yourself repetetively until you welt and bleed and your skin scabs and scars destructive? honestly?
Honestly, if the intended results were achieved then it can only be classified as constructive by the parties involved (which, I would add, you are not included as being one of the parties).
 
no, your rationalizing.

plan and simple, sticking yourself with needles until you bleed, scab and so forth is destroying the skin. is that true? just answer the question. yes or no.
 
beatle888 said:
no, your rationalizing.

plan and simple, sticking yourself with needles until you bleed, scab and so forth is destroying the skin. is that true? just answer the question. yes or no.
No.

The skin is not destroyed, the pigment was altered.

As for rationalizing... you are speaking from complete inexperience (and a ton of misconceptions). And you should be more careful about what terms you use (you're making some bad choices).

Oh, and did you finally look up sadomasochism? :eek:
 
yea yea, so maybe i was sensationalizing on the masochism perspective.

still, it is destructive. your not changing my mind no matter how you try and twist it. the skin isnt permanently destroyed because of the bodies natural reconstructive qualities. you know it. just admit it. oh by the way, i beleive that ice is cold and water is wet.
 
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