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beatle888 said:
yea yea, so maybe i was sensationalizing on the masochism perspective.

still, it is destructive. your not changing my mind no matter how you try and twist it. the skin isnt permanently destroyed because of the bodies natural reconstructive qualities. you know it. just admit it. oh by the way, i beleive that ice is cold and water is wet.
Okay, lets look at these terms...

destructive: As no harm was done (the pigment was changed and that is it) the term destructive is completely subjective here.

permanently destroyed: By definition:
Destroy \De*stroy"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Destroyed; p. pr. &
vb. n. Destroying.] [OE. destroien, destruien, destrien,
OF. destruire, F. d['e]truire, fr. L. destruere, destructum;
de + struere to pile up, build. See Structure.]
1. To unbuild; to pull or tear down; to separate virulently
into its constituent parts; to break up the structure and
organic existence of; to demolish.
The way I see it, I worked for a long time (and put a lot of effort) into constructing something that was permanent. The skin is still there (I don't have open sores of any type which would be a by product of destroying the skin).

As for changing your mind.... your lack of tolerance of others is going to be an on going problem for you.

I don't believe in drinking, but I wouldn't take to berating you just because I don't see the point in it. Drinking does destroy brain cells, that is a fact. Brain cells don't heal or grow back (unlike skin cells... which we completely replace within a few years... which means I don't even have any of the skin cells which you are saying I destroyed anyways). But that is your choice and I'm tolerant of that.

You have attempted to put down people with tattoos... first by attacking their character and then by trying to justify your beliefs with some pretty wild and far fetched notions as to what tattooing actually is.

By your terms, a statue is destroying marble. It can't be art, it can't be ornamental, it is only destructive because the original form was altered.

That is a very radical view of the world if you hold everything to the same standards you are trying so desperately to hold tattooing to in this thread.

Tattooing is not something I think you should do... I was never trying to sell you on it... but your lack of tolerance for others is quite alarming.


And more importantly... disappointing.
 
beatle888 said:
still, it is destructive. your not changing my mind no matter how you try and twist it. the skin isnt permanently destroyed because of the bodies natural reconstructive qualities.

So, by that logic, working out is destructive and should be avoided? Or, hell, let's go one bigger. Life, itself, is destructive. Every second of every day cells die in our body and the only reason it's not permanent is because of the bodies natural reconstructive qualities.

I've probably caused more permanent damage to my joints playing sports than any tattoo ever has harmed anyone else.

You can be of the opinion that tattoos are damaging in terms of aesthetics, but trying to say tattoos are bad because of the physical damage they cause the body doesn't hold water. Which I too agree is wet. ;)


Lethal
 
RacerX said:
Okay, lets look at these terms...

destructive: As no harm was done (the pigment was changed and that is it) the term destructive is completely subjective here.

no, harm WAS done to the skin.

RacerX said:
permanently destroyed: By definition:
Destroy \De*stroy"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Destroyed; p. pr. &
vb. n. Destroying.] [OE. destroien, destruien, destrien,
OF. destruire, F. d['e]truire, fr. L. destruere, destructum;
de + struere to pile up, build. See Structure.]
1. To unbuild; to pull or tear down; to separate virulently
into its constituent parts; to break up the structure and
organic existence of; to demolish.
The way I see it, I worked for a long time (and put a lot of effort) into constructing something that was permanent. The skin is still there (I don't have open sores of any type which would be a by product of destroying the skin).

who said anything about permanent damage?

RacerX said:
As for changing your mind.... your lack of tolerance of others is going to be an on going problem for you.

lack of tolerance :D since when have i said i dont like people with tattoos? as i said i have many good friends with them. so your wrong there buddy.

RacerX said:
You have attempted to put down people with tattoos... first by attacking their character and then by trying to justify your beliefs with some pretty wild and far fetched notions as to what tattooing actually is.

you sound hurt. i was really only having fun and thought it interesting that not one person can agree that making yourself bleed is destructive.

RacerX said:
By your terms, a statue is destroying marble. It can't be art, it can't be ornamental, it is only destructive because the original form was altered. That is a very radical view of the world if you hold everything to the same standards you are trying so desperately to hold tattooing to in this thread.

Tattooing is not something I think you should do... I was never trying to sell you on it... but your lack of tolerance for others is quite alarming.


And more importantly... disappointing.

reshaping marble into another shape is destroying its original form. just like going to the gym and working out is destroying the fat cells in your body and making muscle.

since we cant agree on what destruction is i guess we'll have to agree to disagree.


can you agree that the creation of art is like the creation of life? in the sense that you take something and create something else from it? something that it originally wasnt?

life creates and destroys, life is born and dies. the tree is destroyed and books are created. i never said that tattoos arent an art form. i just brought up the point that it was destructive. you could easily agree to the obvious and state that it is however creative as well. but you didnt, you wanted to debate the fact that it wasnt destructive and your wrong. it is. and it is creative as well...to see your point.

good night. this has been very relaxing and entertaining.
 
beatle888 said:
yea yea, so maybe i was sensationalizing on the masochism perspective.

still, it is destructive. your not changing my mind no matter how you try and twist it. the skin isnt permanently destroyed because of the bodies natural reconstructive qualities. you know it. just admit it. oh by the way, i beleive that ice is cold and water is wet.


I think my apple related tattoo would be
"MacRumors member Beatle888 is a golden GOD!"


now THAT would be self destructive!
 
Just found this thread :)

I think it'd be a silly idea of me to get an Apple tattoo. Mind you it'd go with my current tattoo.




Apple + Pi = :D
 

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corporate propaganda.........please let me be a fanatic and tattoo apple computer logo on my body......talk about being an insane apple fanboy.....
 
LethalWolfe said:
So, by that logic, working out is destructive and should be avoided? Or, hell, let's go one bigger. Life, itself, is destructive. Every second of every day cells die in our body and the only reason it's not permanent is because of the bodies natural reconstructive qualities.


i was gonna say something but forget it. back on topic. i would never get a tattoo sporting some corporate identity.
 
beatle888 said:
oh really? i dont think so. its just my opinion and what i have seen in my life. i guess you'll ignore the quote below as well.

"also A very comprehensive study and analysis of tattoos, was recently published in April, 2001. The study was performed by Dr. Timothy Roberts, a pediatrician at the University of Rochester Children’s Hospital. The detailed analysis was taken from a study of 6072 young people, ages 11 to 21. From all over the United States. From all different ethnic groups. From all economic and social backgrounds. In other words, very thorough and reliable data models were constructed for the study. In fact, this study is probably the most comprehensive and conclusive analysis of tattoos ever conducted.

According to the study, today’s tattooed young people:

Are nearly four times more likely to engage in sexual intercourse
Over two times more likely to experience alcohol related problems
Nearly two times more likely to use illegal drugs
Over two times more likely to express violent behavior
Over two times more likely to drop out of high school
"



and i never said anything about his avatar being the final course of his life. jeeze thats F@#%#@ up. damn you people. relax. i meant i wasnt surprised that someone with an anvatar like that would have a tattoo. just like if i saw an ozzy avatar. and you can pretend that associating self destructive behavior isnt associated with tattoos. i dont care. i also think smoking, drinking to much, driving under the influence, having sex without condoms....are all forms of self destructive behavior. i do a lot of the above by the way so im not trying to make an example out of any one/group.

guess you have to be politically correct around here.



So that's what we have to do to get our kids to experiment these days and find out that:
Alcohol will kill you and cause you trouble if used too often
Same with drugs
That you can have protected sex, and not have a child at 15
It's okay to bash in a bully's face in to show im you won't put up with it?
And the crappy curriculum they call public highschool these days is not worth your time?

All right, every youth in America should get a tattoo! Maybe our society wouldn't be so f**** up then.

Besides, this survey, I find, is BULLS***. It's all based on statistics, and those are built on a flawed system when not 100% of the subject is accounted for in the survey.


edit: I didn't read your whole post. You made some pretty stupid ass comments, my friend. Self destructive... Give me a break. Self Destruction is religion, self destruction isn't brushing your teeth. Self destruction isn't a tattoo. Smoking? Good! Puts hair on your chest! Alcohol! Good! Great for cleaning wounds and meeting new people. <--- Now that's an example of being politically incorrect.

And btw, what's wrong with Pyro's avatar?! It's from Sin City!!!!!!!!!!
 
Onizuka said:
It's all based on statistics, and those are built on a flawed system when not 100% of the subject is accounted for in the survey.

Tell me about it, I heard that 58% of all statistics were just made up on the spot...
 
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