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So whats the PPC community's two cents on the new announcements?

As someone who is primarily a Windows user, I do actually find the transition extremely interesting. Apple going ARM is absolutely a big deal, and now that we're starting to see the actual hardware, I genuinely can't wait to see the performance, and it's limitations.

Because there will be limitations. For example, it seems more and more like they're just not going to have 3rd party graphics hardware. What does that mean for the likes of the Mac Pro? Does Apple plan on taking on nVidia and AMD on that front?

And just how long will Rosetta 2 last? How much is the App library going to shrink because of this?
 
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Tratkazir_the_1st said:
Personally I think they will replay PPC2Intel transition. +2 MacOS universal releases max. (Already announced 2 yeras of hardware transition).
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So what do you think the "golden" Intel version of the Mac OS is going to end up being? With all the changes, I have a feeling it already exists. And, it probably supports nVidia hardware.`

A transition like this isn't really defined by the hardware, as much as Apple likes to talk about it. It's defined by what you want to run on that hardware.
 
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Amethyst1 said:
Let's keep it civil as usual :D
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I wasn’t moved by the presentation for any of the devices — mindful of their lack of repairability/parts interchangeability, their completely closed ecosystem (e.g, “security enclave”), and a continuation of producing equipment whose arrival to the waste stream is to be far faster than, say, the Macs of 2010–11.

Sure, it’s interesting — on paper — to see Apple move away from Intel’s architecture, which arguably might have been avoided had they worked with Freescale and P.A. Semi instead of devouring and dismantling the latter for other internal projects (such, I can probably surmise, as the development of the dreaded T chips, the A chips, and now the M1).

But this product announcement would have been dramatically more exciting and enticing had Apple’s strategy centred on developing an open architecture under their oversight which could thwart clones (such as during the PPC 604 days) whilst bringing in the community to flesh out a hardware series which wasn’t immanently locked down with total anti-competition — both vertically and horizontally — in mind. Of course, we’ve known for most of the last ten years that this isn’t something Apple would ever do.

Anyway, I’ve taken to calling the latest macOS macOS 11 Puente Hills — the largest landfill in California (reflecting their all-closed, lack-of-interchangeable/replaceable parts).
 
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Amethyst1 said:
IMHO it's either Snow Leopard, Mavericks (I know some think it's a POS), or Mojave, depending on what your needs are.
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Wha? People hate Mavericks? It ran like a dream on my MacBook Air. It was the first time I'd done a major OS update without doing a backup and clean reinstall, and it worked perfectly. It was probably one of the only times in my experience where an OS update actually boosted performance on my hardware. I fricking loved Mavericks...at least, for all of what felt like the five minutes that I used it before Apple released Yosemite.
 
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I could imagine a scenario where arm replaces x86 for general purpose computing in 2020s.
I am sure AMD and Intel will continue to produce great GPUs for decades to come (hey at least they officially contribute to mesa so people could use Linux without too much trouble)
 
sanfrancisofont1984 said:
As long as people keep buying Macs there will be developers chasing their money. Did PPC to Intel shrink the app library?
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Considering all the Classic apps, and a not insubstantial number of games that never made it across, yes, yes it did. And the end of 32-bit support has managed to do the same thing. It's not as bad as what went down with iOS, but Apple has been killing off support for the back catalogue of old software that worked on older Macs for a long time now.
 
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Amethyst1 said:
IMHO it's either Snow Leopard, Mavericks (I know some think it's a POS), or Mojave, depending on what your needs are.
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I’d replace Mojave with High Sierra—High Sierra seems to be slightly snappier in my experience, particularly on slightly older hardware where this kind of thing can be noticed. I can see the arguments for Mojave, however (namely dark mode).

And, echoing others, as a Mavericks user I think Mavericks is awesome. ^_^
 
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The announcement to me is tempting, I agree with the arm switch. But I could never buy into new Apple, they run a network request if you have internet on every executable you run. And if their server is hammered (like it was earlier apparently), you program just hangs! How is that ‘privacy’? How does that ‘just work’? The Apple has fallen too far from the tree...

Also, I have a strong suspicion that in say 10-20 years more PowerPC Macs will still be around then gen 1 arm macs. Sounds crazy, but think about this.

Your storage is all soldered to the motherboard, and storage doesn’t last forever. Once that soldered storage starts getting errors unless your brave enough to rip apart your glued together arm Mac and go at it with a soldering iron your SOL. On the other hand, my 21 year old HDD in the clamshell is still running, just very loudly. And that can at least be replaced.
 
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alex_free said:
Your storage is all soldered to the motherboard, and storage doesn’t last forever. Once that soldered storage starts getting errors unless your brave enough to rip apart your glued together arm Mac and go at it with a soldering iron your SOL.
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Same goes for RAM errors. Although they're probably less likely than the SSD going ka-blooey.
 
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