So, who else has given up?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by MattG, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. BODYBUILDERPAUL macrumors 65816

    Feb 9, 2009
    There's also another reason why the Apple TV works so well - it's researched, designed and made by the world's BEST computer company. They are experts with software, hardware and quality components. Of course it's going to be outstanding with a great user experience and longevity.
    It's a quality product. It could quite easily be used in a professional environment - broadcasting studio etc 24/7 with no problems - just like all of Apple's product often are.

    If something like the Amazon is cheap, then there's a reason that it's cheap and someone suffers along the line - whether it's the customer or the employees or the environment or all three!
  2. MattG thread starter macrumors 68040


    May 27, 2003
    Asheville, NC
    Oh jeezy-kableezy

    "The world's BEST computer company." The same company selling MacBooks and iMacs that haven't been updated in a year and a half, running processors released six months before that, yet are still charging upwards of $1500 for most models. :rolleyes: Come on. I love Apple's design and operating systems in general but I refuse to be an apologist anymore.

    All of the computers, tablets and phones in my house are all Apple. I don't see that changing, however I'll still call BS when I see it. After seeing some of the responses, I'm not arguing the Apple TV may not work better for some than others, but it is certainly not a value at $179, and the Amazon alternative (I can't speak for Roku personally) is in no way "cheap" in appearance or performance. The fact that they cost less is meaningless. EVERYTHING costs less compared to Apple. To use the car analogy again, that's like saying "everything but a Porsche is trash because a Porsche costs more than other cars." It's like I stated in my original post, much of the time the cost difference is simply because you have to pay the "Apple Tax."
  3. Tech198 macrumors G5

    Mar 21, 2011
    Australia, Perth
    My parent hate touch-remotes, that's why she stuck with her Apple TV 3 and she doesn't like all the fancy app store stuff you have. Neflix app just seems allot better. She got lost on Apple TV 4 trying to navigate around Netfix app, but for me i like Apple TV 4,, although now we have iTunes use only. I never really needed/use the 10 second skipping, i just got use to pausing everytime i'm not there..

    more simpe..
  4. Michelasso macrumors 6502


    Feb 20, 2012
    Treviso, Italy
    Well, let me put it in this other way. £20 for a lightning connector is ridiculously overpriced and so it is £59 for the beautiful, but not completely user friendly, Siri remote. I bought a brand new PS4 Pro for €300 the last Christmas (which includes a beautiful - and very user friendly! - Dualshock 4 which retails at overpriced value of €70, 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, 4.2 TFLOPS, internal power transformer, etc. etc. etc.. ), while the ATV 4K is always at €199. Heck! Even the ATV4 still retails at €159!!! Which is disgustingly overpriced.

    Indeed no way that I forked out that outrageous amount of money for the small 1080p TV I have in the kitchen while my basic needs are to watch Netflix, Prime video and sometime Plex (which works fine with 1080p x.264 videos) also with a remote. So I spent €29.99 for a Fire TV Stick 2nd gen. 1/5 of the cost of the ATV 4. Quite slow, and a pain to watch Prime Video, especially switching languages and subtitles (while cooking/eating I watch everything in Italian, in English on my 4K TV), but it does the job.
  5. andyp350 macrumors 6502a

    Aug 14, 2011
    Never experienced any of the issues you describe. If the fire stick has been better for you I’m glad you discovered it though.
  6. jole26 macrumors newbie


    Aug 20, 2018
    I posted this in another thread but probably fits better here. It shows the ground that Apple need to make up on rivals in this space.

  7. steve23094 macrumors 68020


    Apr 23, 2013
    I'm surprised Xbox is so high. Does it support Movies Anywhere in the States? Because in the UK the prices to buy films are pretty bad (UK does not have MA).
  8. rmhop81 macrumors 68020


    Apr 4, 2005
    Dallas, TX
    besides iPhones and iPads, apple doesn't update their other products very often. but i can tell you from owning apple stuff since early 2000's that the stuff "just works" from my experience. I hate the new remote on my 5 apple 4k tv's, but it doesn't really matter because i use logitech harmony remotes on all my tv's. If I had to use the supplied apple remote, then i agree the experience wouldn't be that great, but i'd suggest to go find another remote, they work tons better. Even my new Vizio tv remote can be used with the apple tv, so there are cheap options out there.

    I love all tech so i have tried out google chrome cast and fire tv's as well as amazon echo and google home's, i don't stick to just Apple when seemingly good technology is sold. With that said, there are tradeoffs and probably some annoyances with every product. Price on this stuff is not an issue to me, so i completely remove that from the equation. I can see how fire tv's and chrome casts are way cheaper, but in the long run they don't last as long and don't get the appropriate updates that apple gives their products.

    I'm also a big homekit/smart home user so Apple TV and home pods make sense for me, but they aren't for everyone. I couldn't stand the interface on Roku or Firetv and thought it was ridiculous that i had to always stream from my phone to use chrome cast. I used to have 5 roku in the house to run the Time warner cable app so didn't have to pay for a box in every room. I've been waiting for the day to not have an apple tv and roku on every tv. That day has finally come that i can literally just have 1 streaming box on my tv and that's my entire setup. Again, if you're price sensitive, then Apple isn't for you. The only thing i'd say is reasonably priced is their iPads, even iPhones have become expensive, but i'll continue to pay bc they "just work".
  9. Mac 128 macrumors 603

    Mac 128

    Apr 16, 2015
    I don’t buy your complaints. I have none of your problems, and never have since my first Apple TV 2nd Gen., and we use ATV daily at work without any issues. If you really are an IT professional, then you shouldn’t be having all these problems that you can’t figure out. I’m not an IT professional, and my ATV works great, no complaints about the remote, and zero problems troubleshooting when the occasional issue crops up. It really sounds like you have a lemon, and should have taken it to Apple to replace. Enjoy your fire stick, and I hope this thread helps you validate your decision and experiences. But I’ll keep enjoying my rock solid ATV 4K experience.
  10. MattG thread starter macrumors 68040


    May 27, 2003
    Asheville, NC
    I had three Apple TVs up until recently and all three had the same problems. Laggy remotes, apps that won't quit, etc. This has nothing to do with "not being able to figure it out," and my IT experience isn't going to make up for design flaws.
  11. Shanghaichica macrumors G3


    Apr 8, 2013
    I don’t really use my fire TV stick much. It was a gift but I have 2 Apple TVs and a chromecast but I have had issues with it in the limited use I’ve had. Once it was stuck in a boot loop for a few weeks following a software update and occasionally it just won’t stream anything, even though it’s connected to the internet and a reboot doesn’t solve anything. My chromecast occasionally disconnects in the middle of a cast. My Apple TVs 1 a 3 and the other a 4 work really well. No real issues and any minor ones can be solved by a simple restart.

    Edit: I’ve just switched the TV onto to the fire stick now and it was a black screen so I rebooted in and it went into an app and is frozen.
  12. se95dah macrumors member


    Dec 30, 2014
    Between my Apple TV and my fire stick, there’s no doubt I prefer the Apple TV. Every app is smoother, slicker and prettier. I like both remotes - personally I love the touch controls on the Apple remote but find the fire remote better ergonomically.
  13. Zooie123 macrumors newbie


    Oct 17, 2017
    Virginia Beach
    I have had the Apple Tv 4k since day 1, run beta software, always updated, never had one lockup, not laggy. It is amazing.
  14. Uofmtiger macrumors 68020


    Dec 11, 2010
    Can't really speak for anyone else, but I like the AppleTV4. I have 3 of them. Got one of them for trying out the Directv internet streaming service.

    I like Airplay 2 (awesome with the HomePod as the controller)
    Podcasts ( I still watch podcasts like MacBreak Weekly)
    Photos app
    iTunes Movies (my own...which they converted several to 4k and renting rather than giving my CC# to multiple vendors)
    The folders (nice to be able to set up folders rather than having pages of apps)
    Screensavers (they are awesome)
    Keyboard on my iPhone pops up when I need to type

    I haven't had the issues like having my TV turn on or passwords randomly being lost like the OP. I mainly use my iPhone's app "Simple Control" for managing and controlling my system since everything runs through a receiver.

    I also have 2 Rokus and an Nvidia TV. I rarely use either of them. I don't have a FireTV because I just don't need another player right now. The addition of Apple Music to the Echo may put it on my radar down the road, though.

    I don't know if Airplay 2 and iTunes being on other platforms will make the AppleTV obsolete for me in the future. However, I have no plans to update any of my TVs right now, so I suspect I will be using my AppleTvs for a while longer.
  15. BellsWhistles macrumors member

    Aug 17, 2009
    It's obvious that you invested a lot of $$$ in the AppleTV and it's associated iTunes catalog, to simply walk away. Which would lead some to think you're not really a user at all.

    I have no issues with any of my AppleTV's. The remote can be frustrating at times, but it has not been a point of contention. There has not been anything that would ruin the experience, now that Atmos A/V is working and linked properly through my receiver and Television.

    Good luck to you ....
  16. BODYBUILDERPAUL macrumors 65816

    Feb 9, 2009
    It sounds as though you are a true Apple hater and have come to this site to promote inferior products. I've met many IT guys that hate Apple products only because they are so up themselves with the complications of Windows and secondly, you don't need IT guys when you have offices full of Macs - as my 10 years in radio proved.

    Quit the hate and go and enjoy your Fire stick. How an IT guy can think that the Amazon has a decent interface, I really don't know.
    Why waste your time bashing the ATV if you're so overwhelmed by the Amazon trash? Eight years of ATV for me and I can't find fault with it compared to the competition out there.
    I wish you well.
  17. rbrian macrumors 6502a


    Jul 24, 2011
    Aberdeen, Scotland
    My Apple TV 4 has been gathering dust for more than a year. I bought an LG OLED TV, and the smart features are actually good, unlike those on the circa 2012 Samsung it replaced. The Netflix app is excellent, and though the Prime app has awful rewind, it's OK if you just let it play. Xray is good too, though I usually just use IMDB on my phone.

    My Samsung S9, which replaced my iPhone 7, can stream directly to the TV without an extra box, as can my Windows PC. All that's left is playing purchased iTunes media. I don't have much of that, and the HTPC I built to replace my failing DVR can run iTunes.

    The Apple TV interface is nice, and if the remote hasn't fallen down the back of the sofa, and is correctly orientated, it's good. The whole package though, simply isn't worth taking up an HDMI port - I only have 4!
  18. Michelasso macrumors 6502


    Feb 20, 2012
    Treviso, Italy
    hey! I finally agree with you again! :D

    I forgot to mention one thing about the so called "Apple tax". The reason I gladly pay it, is because with Apple we get superior OSes, Unix 03 certified (at least macOS, but I suppose it applies to all its younger brothers), regularly updated and with hotfixes (when there is need for) delivered in reasonable time to all devices globally.

    Also the User Interface is generally consistent, even between apps, unless a developer decides to follow a different, proprietary way (like YouTube for example). And sure, all devices well integrate into the Apple eco-system.

    Said that I still believe €159 for the ATV 4th generation is out of mind, though! :p
  19. priitv8 macrumors 68040

    Jan 13, 2011
    Don't forget - any Apple computer comes with a full set of productivity software included in the price. Windows comes basically with Notepad.
    And I've seen some people's faces, when they've learned how much the MS Office licence actually costs, compared to their cheap laptop.
  20. Michelasso macrumors 6502


    Feb 20, 2012
    Treviso, Italy
    That's also true. My issue is that I never used them, apart from few tests. I can't get a rid of MS Office. I don't know know, but there never was complete support for MS Office formats when I tried. And there is nothing in that field to have to re-edit all tables again.

    Also Libre Office is getting more popular. I know it has been enforced by the EU, not sure if the policy stuck. Still, as an OS feature let's not forget iCloud. That has no rivals. And for developers Xcode for free is a great bonus as well (not so much the 100€/year extortion to subscribe as an Apple developer...).

    Thinking about it.. Most of this unfortunately doesn't really apply to the Apple TV, though. Or does it? iCloud apart. Actually Android TV is much superior in terms of supported Codecs. When they work, sure. Like the still broken audio passthrough on Sony Bravia..
  21. tonyr6 macrumors 65816


    Oct 13, 2011
    Brooklyn NY
    I have to agree with the OP I was using my 4K ATV a lot but lately it is so glitch full. The remote constantly freezes and yes I fully charged it. Also apps sometimes randomly slow down and crash. The most annoying is that some apps DC Universe (if it does not freeze and crash first forcing a remove and reinstall), Boomerang sometimes Amazon Prime video does not remember you watched the episode. DC Universe only remembers 58 seconds watched. Boomerang about 2 minutes watched and Amazon sometimes shows un-watched.

    Since using the 4K FTV stick more lately I have not had any issues with apps slowing down and apps remember where I left off.
  22. Euroamerican macrumors regular


    May 27, 2010
    Just found out that a coworker of mine really wants to get into the AppleTV and that his parents have one and want to ask him to support it.

    My ATV 2 was just sitting there for the last couple of years, with me only using it occasionally to watch snowboarding videos or Apple product announcements.

    Felt a pang of remorse in selling it, but I got 25 dollars for it and he is very happy. His TV only does 720P, so it's the perfect ATV for him!

    If Netflix hadn't been so buggy on my ATV, we probably never would have bought the Fire Stick which replaced it for day to day use.

    I may wish I kept the ATV for my iTunes music once I get better speakers for my TV. So far, I've never even thought of using iTunes on my TV.

    Still love the ATV, but will go without for now!
  23. MattG, Feb 8, 2019
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2019

    MattG thread starter macrumors 68040


    May 27, 2003
    Asheville, NC
    Had you actually read anything I wrote before veering off into the same cult-like Apple-love-fest that you veer off into with every thread you reply to (yeah, I've read a bunch of them), you'd know all of this, but I'll go ahead repeat it all again anyway:

    I'm an IT Professional of 16 years, and I've been using Apple products for about 20 years now. I've owned more Apple gadgets over the years than I can count. My wife and I both currently have MacBook Airs, iPhones, AirPods, and we have an iPad. That's not going to change, nobody in this house "hates" Apple products, and as an IT Professional, I know damn well how superior their hardware is, as well as Mac OS/iOS. I'm the guy in my department that gets made fun of by the type IT people you described above, for being the "Apple guy." In the near future my wife and I are actually planning on selling the MacBook Air and buying a MacBook Pro as well.

    However, I'm not going to be one of these blind, cult-like Apple apologists like you who gives them a pass even when they put out a product that's a dud. Maybe using the word "dud" is a bit of a stretch when it comes to Apple TV, but as far as I'm concerned it sure still seems like a "hobby" to Apple, it's riddled with design flaws, and for a company that prides itself on design, the remote is utter trash.

    Apple isn't the only technology company on the planet that makes a good product, and the "everything besides Apple is garbage" demeanor that you put forth in every thread you reply to is shortsighted and just plain dumb.

    Also, glad to see you read this part of my post as well; clearly it had an impact :rolleyes::
  24. Uofmtiger macrumors 68020


    Dec 11, 2010
    For me, this is one of the main issues. I use my AppleTV4s with Airplay 2 almost on a daily basis. When I am in the living room, I can tell the HomePod to start playing music on my main system or on other systems and/or control everything from my iPhone/iPad. I just don't see that flexibility on the Firetv yet. When/if it gets Apple Music and Airplay2, it will be a more viable option.

    As for the Samsung TV, it will get pretty expensive updating every TV in the house and then I wonder if it will be capable of the audio formats that I have on the AppleTV for movies? Most TVs connect back to the main system with optical out and it is limited. Anyway, because of the price and possible limitations, I am not doing that anytime soon.
  25. sracer macrumors 604


    Apr 9, 2010
    After the promise of "it just works" failed to materialize in my (at the time) all-Apple household that included an ATV2, I slowly made my transition away from the Apple TV and toward alternatives. Not only did the ATV2 not play nicely with my iPhones, iPads, Macbooks, and iMacs, but the functionality was severely limited compared to the alternatives.

    I won't bore everyone with the journey, but I'm now at a point where we have a Roku, ChromeCast, Fire TV, DVR for OTA TV, and repurposed an iMac as a dedicated Plex server. I've digitized my extensive DVD, BR, and CD collection and it is all accessible like any other "streaming" service.

    Not all TVs in the house have each of those devices attached to them, but where it makes sense. The Guest Room has only a Roku (to access our home library and streaming services we subscribe to). Only the Living Room TV has all of them.

    The results are far more functional, stable, and in the end less expensive.

    What you'll find in many of the responses is a bit of misunderstanding as to what the Fire TV can do. I've seen that in my conversations regarding the Fire HD 10 tablet. From an "open the box, plug it in and go" perspective, I can understand, but with just a little simple tweaking, these devices can really shine.

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