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Where's my logic? I extrapolated (look through my post history to see all the numbers) the 160 reports that have surfaced so far. I then increased this TENFOLD, and did the math. It's also not only the 6+, there are several reports of people bending their 6 too.

It's a thin phone...it's going to bend if you put enough pressure on it. And I don't think my phone is immune from bending. It obviously is happening, but the phones don't bend themselves, and based on the reports that we're seeing, it's happening at a significantly lower rate than typical screen shatters, so is it really worth getting all worked up over as a 'major issue?' So far, I don't think so. We're talking about, at most 1,500 bent phones out of 40 million at this point. Is 1500 bent phones a lot? Sure, as a pure number...as a percentage of the total sold? It's barely a blip.

People often have problems when large numbers are involved and anecdotal evidence is not proof of a design flaw. If we even go to huge numbers, and say that there's actually 25,000 bent phones as of right now, that would still only be 0.06% of all phones sold so far. If it's only the Plus and let's up the numbers further, to 50,000 bent phones and only 10 million pluses sold...that's still only 0.5%, and there's no way there have been 50,000 bent pluses so far.

I have no doubt if I fall and pin my phone against a table and put my body weight on the lever that the phone will bend. I also know a lot of other phones that would bend under those circumstances too.

If stats come out that show that a significant percentage of phones are bending (approaching even 1-2%, which is still less likely than shattering your screen), then I'll admit that Apple needs to do something. Keep in mind that 2% of all iPhones expected to be sold this year would have over 1 MILLION bent phones. (and still, 98% of users would have no bend). However, I've seen little evidence of this being the case. I'm simply evaluating what minimal data we have here.
 
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Apple needs to start reinforcing the phones with titanium or something. Weight does not matter in a phone like it does in a tablet. Either that or go back to the double glass 4S design with stainless steel.
 
Where's my logic? I extrapolated (look through my post history to see all the numbers) the 160 reports that have surfaced so far. I then increased this TENFOLD, and did the math. It's also not only the 6+, there are several reports of people bending their 6 too.

It's a thin phone...it's going to bend if you put enough pressure on it. And I don't think my phone is immune from bending. It obviously is happening, but the phones don't bend themselves, and based on the reports that we're seeing, it's happening at a significantly lower rate than typical screen shatters, so is it really worth getting all worked up over as a 'major issue?' So far, I don't think so. We're talking about, at most 1,500 bent phones out of 40 million at this point. Is 1500 bent phones a lot? Sure, as a pure number...as a percentage of the total sold? It's barely a blip.

People often have problems when large numbers are involved and anecdotal evidence is not proof of a design flaw. If we even go to huge numbers, and say that there's actually 25,000 bent phones as of right now, that would still only be 0.06% of all phones sold so far. If it's only the Plus and let's up the numbers further, to 50,000 bent phones and only 10 million pluses sold...that's still only 0.5%, and there's no way there have been 50,000 bent pluses so far.

I have no doubt if I fall and pin my phone against a table and put my body weight on the lever that the phone will bend. I also know a lot of other phones that would bend under those circumstances too.

If stats come out that show that a significant percentage of phones are bending (approaching even 1-2%, which is still less likely than shattering your screen), then I'll admit that Apple needs to do something. Keep in mind that 2% of all iPhones expected to be sold this year would have over 1 MILLION bent phones. (and still, 98% of users would have no bend). However, I've seen little evidence of this being the case. I'm simply evaluating what minimal data we have here.

This is all true, but coming back to "Normal use". Sooner or later all iphone 6+ are going to get "over the limit" amount of force exerted on them, by accident or not. Coming back to cars. Just 20 cases of parts or system malfunction can lead to massive recalls. Often recalls do not happen within first few months the car is on the road. So back to iphone, there are thousands of cases already, there are millions of people who keep phones in rigid cases and another million who are afraid to breathe onto their iphone because it's not cheap and all the bending issues. So maybe, just maybe it's huge silent problem that apple does not want to talk about, because of high sales. If it would be a hoax, oneofthenine would not be in place.

Number of unfixed bent phones soon is going to reach enough to file a class action law suite against apple.
 
glad to see Apple took care of you.

I wonder how they will act if increasing amount of people bring in phones like yours (OP mention it was the first one for that particular apple genius). I check my phone weekly (hard to take it off the case I have one), and in the first sight of bending, I'm taking it on.

I am still puzzle why some apple fans work so hard to keep the issue under-wrap, Can someone please explain to me how that would help customers?
 
glad to see Apple took care of you.

I wonder how they will act if increasing amount of people bring in phones like yours (OP mention it was the first one for that particular apple genius). I check my phone weekly (hard to take it off the case I have one), and in the first sight of bending, I'm taking it on.

I am still puzzle why some apple fans work so hard to keep the issue under-wrap, Can someone please explain to me how that would help customers?

I can explain it why so many fans are so close minded.
-Many are young and do not have their own opinion.
-So many bogus issues around apple that if everyone starts to admit it, iphone won't be cool any more. If bending is true then any other iphone or even crappy android was better manufactured than 6+. Imagine friend who owns Nokia 1100 making fun of you?
-People tend to defend high priced purchases no matter how bad they could be. Have you ever seen a person bragging on how good the thing it while it's totally useless/uncomfortable/does not function right, but is expensive?
 
Where's my logic? I extrapolated (look through my post history to see all the numbers) the 160 reports that have surfaced so far. I then increased this TENFOLD, and did the math. It's also not only the 6+, there are several reports of people bending their 6 too.

So you pulled some random number out of your backside and then did some math with it? There you have it kids, who needs science when you can just make stuff up... :roll eyes:
 
Show me better data and let's work with it. And the tenfold increase was to make up for missing data (since I presume not every person with a bent phone is going to go to oneofthenine), and provide a cushion. The fact that increasing the number of bent phones tenfold still doesn't show a major percentage based on the data we currently have should tell you something. Heck, even 100 fold isn't a huge percentage (still less than half a percent over the course of a year).

I'm simply looking at data. If Apple (or another reputable source) shows that, say, 250,000 phones have been bent in the first month, then we can look at that data and infer there's a real problem. However, there's been no data that implies anywhere NEAR that number of bent phones...not even within an order of magnitude. If you have better hard data on the total number of bent phones so far, then provide that source and let's reevaluate it.

What I'm talking about is hysteria that is coming about from a relatively small number of internet reports. People see 50 reports of bending and assume these phones will bend like butter. The numbers (so far anyway) don't bear that out. We're talking simply enormous numbers of phones, and no production line is perfect: there will be all sorts of problems that individual purchasers may encounter that don't say anything about the actual prevalence of the problem. I don't doubt people have bent their phones. I don't doubt that I could bend my phone. But even 5,000 bent phones at this point is an extremely small blip in the grand scheme of production.
 
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What kind of case are we talking? Should I be concerned if I rock and Otter Defender?

It was a Spigen Slim Armor case. It's going in the trash, for another reason as soon as my next one arrives. This case doesn't wrap around and protect the edge of the glass. I had a couple tiny scratches on the glass at the very edge. Not happy with this case at all.

Not bent. Just the screen wasn't set properly. I had the same thing happen to my 5s. Was my 5s bent? :eek: no. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, were you that ugly old lady sitting next to me at the Genius Bar and you overheard the Apple employee tell me it WAS bent? He also showed me where it was bent.

Glass issues can surface for many reasons. When you have no idea what you're talking about please keep your opinion to yourself.
 
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I know people say "Don't put it in your pocket!" But where are guys supposed to keep their phones? I'm a girl and even I sometimes just throw my 5c in a pocket with my credit card and drivers license. I hope they do at least look into this...
 
I know people say "Don't put it in your pocket!" But where are guys supposed to keep their phones? I'm a girl and even I sometimes just throw my 5c in a pocket with my credit card and drivers license. I hope they do at least look into this...
Agreed... Perhaps Apple should endorse man bags or state clearly they aren't safe in your pockets anymore. I don't see this being turning out well for anyone long term.
 
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