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iPhone So you mean to tell me that we clean install every beta?

Krissypantz2828

Krissypantz2828

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I don't mind installing fresh- set phone as new, reinstall apps etc...

But to download all apps each time is a pain!! Do you guys do this every time? I believe that it's better and have done it 90% of the time but it's annoying
 
Uh, why not just do an OTA update? I only do a fresh install if I've got a major issue with an update. That almost never happens. Sometimes people who have done a clean install end up with more bugs than those that just update it on the device.
 
Krissypantz2828 said:
I don't mind installing fresh- set phone as new, reinstall apps etc...

But to download all apps each time is a pain!! Do you guys do this every time? I believe that it's better and have done it 90% of the time but it's annoying
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Its not required... but if you have any issues its always best to fresh install
 
The betas are designed to be clean installed. They're also not designed to be used as a everyday OS with all of your apps on it. Only for the apps you are updating and testing for iOS 7.
 
Krissypantz2828 said:
I don't mind installing fresh- set phone as new, reinstall apps etc...

But to download all apps each time is a pain!! Do you guys do this every time? I believe that it's better and have done it 90% of the time but it's annoying
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This is what I do every Beta in detail:

- Download the full beta IPSW file
- Shift-Restore my phone in iTunes and point to that IPSW
- Setup the phone as "New"
- Go to iTunes and sync most of my apps and music
- Add my mail accounts, login to my apps, adjust settings.

I repeat this every Beta release.
 
It's a myth. OTA update is just like any other update... "fresh install" is a waste of your time. Your battery will stay the same, granted.
 
Naor said:
It's a myth. OTA update is just like any other update... "fresh install" is a waste of your time. Your battery will stay the same, granted.
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OTA is not the same as other updates. Not everything that is updated between versions is present in a OTA update, most is but not everything. There can be random bit flips due to how iOS obtains the update and the amount of checking it can do. The digital signatures are different as is the binaries themselves.
 
Intell said:
OTA is not the same as other updates. Not everything that is updated between versions is present in a OTA update, most is but not everything. There can be random bit flips due to how iOS obtains the update and the amount of checking it can do. The digital signatures are different as is the binaries themselves.
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The binaries and all that are different because different things are needed when updating OTA on top of an existing installation and over a computer using a full installation. But that doesn't mean that the resulting update will have something different in it if you do it one way over the other.
 
Krissypantz2828 said:
I don't mind installing fresh- set phone as new, reinstall apps etc...

But to download all apps each time is a pain!! Do you guys do this every time? I believe that it's better and have done it 90% of the time but it's annoying
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It's beta software, for developers.

Not aimed at end users, and ensuring the upgrade process works properly from 6 to 7 is probably one of the last things apple will be concerned about while the platform is still being developed.
 
throAU said:
It's beta software, for developers.

Not aimed at end users, and ensuring the upgrade process works properly from 6 to 7 is probably one of the last things apple will be concerned about while the platform is still being developed.
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Not what this is really about.
 
C DM said:
The binaries and all that are different because different things are needed when updating OTA on top of an existing installation and over a computer using a full installation. But that doesn't mean that the resulting update will have something different in it if you do it one way over the other.
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iOS installs OTA updates via the UNIX patch command. Not like Windows or Mac OS X. The end result has many differences, enough for many jailbreak developers to not test or support OTA versions of iOS. Some of those key differences are in the iOS kernel and SHSH blobs. OTA iOS updates also lack support for through file verification like iTunes updates. While it can do basic verifications, it isn't able to correct a problem with a blotched file. That's why an OTA update sometimes requires iTunes to restore the device. While a blotched file may pass the limited OTA verification, it would normally be replaced with an iTunes restore/update. These blotched files can sometimes lead to unexpected problems when encounter by the system like false bugs, stuck loops, or surprise recovery mode.
 
throAU said:
That's odd, because the OP is clearly whining about having to do a clean install of an iOS version that is not released yet, and thus has not gone through the release engineering process to ensure this sort of thing isn't required.
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Are you a developer? Do you have iOS 7 beta 4 on your phone? Just curious
 
throAU said:
That's odd, because the OP is clearly whining about having to do a clean install of an iOS version that is not released yet, and thus has not gone through the release engineering process to ensure this sort of thing isn't required.
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The general discussion is actually not exactly beta-specific.
 
Intell said:
The betas are designed to be clean installed. They're also not designed to be used as a everyday OS with all of your apps on it. Only for the apps you are updating and testing for iOS 7.
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This is the dumbest propaganda iv ever heard! If that was the case they wouldn't even do OTA updates in the first place! Stop chatting like your stating facts.
 
OTA all the way, I'm updating this way since they introduce OTA updates to iOS. Now I'm iOS 7 b4 and I have no problems at all.
 
Intell said:
The betas are designed to be clean installed.
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Are they? Well, why does Apple push them through OTA then?

To the OP, I allways do it through OTA and no problem so far. First beta and second one had crashes and battery drainage/overheat problems but mostly because they were first betas. None of that now with beta 4, and beta 3 has been pretty good too for me.
 
shenfrey said:
This is the dumbest propaganda iv ever heard! If that was the case they wouldn't even do OTA updates in the first place! Stop chatting like your stating facts.
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BvizioN said:
Are they? Well, why does Apple push them through OTA then?
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Apple releases OTA beta updates to test the OTA feature. They may be changing how it's done or want to try out a new way of doing it. In Apple's own documentation, they recommend that developers only use the full restore method. Only during the iOS 5 beta 2-GM release did they ask developers to test the OTA function.
 
batting1000 said:
Agreed.



That's irrelevant.
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On the contrary, it would be pure hypocrisy if that poster wasn't a developer.
Krissypantz2828 said:
Are you a developer? Do you have iOS 7 beta 4 on your phone? Just curious
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Don't listen to them op. You got the response you needed, now you can pretty much ignore the thread.
throAU said:
That's odd, because the OP is clearly whining about having to do a clean install of an iOS version that is not released yet, and thus has not gone through the release engineering process to ensure this sort of thing isn't required.
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He's asking a question. Yes it comes off as whining, but it is relevant to this forum and that is all that matters.
 
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