It sure doesn't look like the software for any iPods other than the 4G, iPod Photo, and iPod mini was updated. That includes us 3G iPod owners. That's why I rated this negative.whenpaulsparks said:
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wrldwzrd89 said:
I'm afraid I'm negative on this one too. I'd bet my 3G is technically just about the same as a 4G. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to have all the software features of the 4G. Of course, if Apple did that there'd suddenly be a rush for used 3Gs, cos there'd be no added value in getting a 4G (edit: besides better battery of course!). Besides, I still think the 3G looks better than the 4G!
mfacey said:I'm afraid I'm negative on this one too. I'd bet my 3G is technically just about the same as a 4G. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to have all the software features of the 4G. Of course, if Apple did that there'd suddenly be a rush for used 3Gs, cos there'd be no added value in getting a 4G (edit: besides better battery of course!). Besides, I still think the 3G looks better than the 4G!
Actually the chipset the mini and 4th Gen share are completely different then the 3rd Gen and that is why they aren't updating it.
That's too bad. I don't want to buy a new iPod. My question is this:derekamoss said:
Why on earth did the 4G iPod need an iTunes 4.7 compatibility update, but the 3G iPod did not? My 3G iPod works just fine with iTunes 4.7.
Does anyone know if this update will bring the battery life of the iPod mini on par with that of the 4G iPods? There was discussion of such an improvement a few months ago when rumors of this update first surfaced... 'twould be nice to have 12 hour battery life on my little Mr. Darcy...
wrldwzrd89 said:
Probably it's a photo library compatibility update, and only affects the iPod Photo.
As for those people grousing over no 3G updates: GET OVER IT I've got a 3G. It isn't broken. It does exactly what I was told it would do when I bought it.
Apple is in the business of sellings things to make money. You don't sell things if you keep giving them away for free. Not only that, but do you have any idea how much it costs to develop and test for a branch of an old version?
For old versions of anything (ipods, software etc) expect bug fixes only. And if there is a bug that doesn't get fixed, then you can complain. Don't expect Apple to give you a free bloody 4G just because you're upset that you bought something a year ago.
Rant ends.
wrldwzrd89 said:
my guess is that it had to do more with the mini needing to be compatible due to the new software but not wanting to put just better USB 2.0 connectivity or to say compatibility with iTunes 4.7 as well.
OK. I'll go with that. That makes sense. I don't want a 4G (free or not) iPod anyway - at least not right now. Maybe when Apple releases an 80 GB iPod I'll buy another one - unless, of course, High Efficiency Advanced Audio Coding (HE-AAC) is introduced before then.stcanard said:
stcanard said:
except the fact this wasn't an update for the iPod Photo, even though it is a 4th Gen with color it still isn't updated with the fourth Gen's it has an entirely different update. The only two models that were in this update were the mini and 4th Gen's
clicker sound through headphone is a nice touch for the mini - wanted that since the beginning...
by the way, 3G owners complaining... you don't have to get over anything. if these minute (imo) improvements in mini and 4G but not 3G mean *that* much to you - so much that all the reasons you bought an iPod from apple to begin with go out the window - remember this in a few years and don't bother buying another apple product.
$$$ speaks louder to apple than any complaints you can log at MR...
by the way, 3G owners complaining... you don't have to get over anything. if these minute (imo) improvements in mini and 4G but not 3G mean *that* much to you - so much that all the reasons you bought an iPod from apple to begin with go out the window - remember this in a few years and don't bother buying another apple product.
$$$ speaks louder to apple than any complaints you can log at MR...
Where install?
I have tried to install the firmware update 5 times now and it has done nothing. Software Update keeps thinking that it hasn't been installed and tells me to install it and my System Profiler shows no change. Boot ROM Version is still 5.1.8f3. I've got a June 2004 2.0GHz G5 with bluetooth, ATI Radeon 9600 XT, and Combo Drive. Nothing weird about my computer. Except that it won't install. Haven't tried restarting that because of registering for classes. Any ideas?
Justin
edit: Where are these Apple forums that people have been talking about this? I can't find them.
I have tried to install the firmware update 5 times now and it has done nothing. Software Update keeps thinking that it hasn't been installed and tells me to install it and my System Profiler shows no change. Boot ROM Version is still 5.1.8f3. I've got a June 2004 2.0GHz G5 with bluetooth, ATI Radeon 9600 XT, and Combo Drive. Nothing weird about my computer. Except that it won't install. Haven't tried restarting that because of registering for classes. Any ideas?
Justin
edit: Where are these Apple forums that people have been talking about this? I can't find them.
Is this a G5 you bought in June, or one of the new models on the 90nm die process that was introduced in June? If it's a 130nm G5 that was bought in June, the firmware update may not apply to your machine. Just a thought.
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conceptuweasel said:
Group Field Search Disabled In iTunes 4.7
Just so you all know.
As an aside, I found iTunes 4.7 has disabled searching for the group field. I had to revert to iTunes 4.6 because of this deleted capability because I use the group field to isolate all my Air America Radio dot com tracks. Hard to understand why 4.7 would not retain that capability. As a result, 4.7 is useless to me.wrldwzrd89 said:
Just so you all know.
You Mean Dual 2 GHz G5?
You Mean Dual 2 GHz G5? Those are all 2003 models that won't want the firmware update. That's what I bought in July 2004 from the Refurbished Store and I don't expect it will want anything to do with this firmware update.conceptuweasel said:
I'd pretty much given up hope of this mini update appearing, and then all of a sudden there it is yay. I hink my 3G iPod is going to see even less use now, and it rarely sees the light of day until my mini battery is dead recently. I haven't play with a 4G yet so I'll comment quickly on the changes to the menus, I love the fact you can now make multiple on the go playlists and delete songs from playlists. The playlists being under a music rather than seperate from browse seems to make a lot of sence, it's one less menu to jump back and forward to when creating on the go playlists. The clicker through the headphones is also a good idea, I like to hear the clicker as its gives a nice mechanical feeling to the action, but it can be a pain when you are listening to music and can't hear the clicker but are making noise for others. However I'm not a big fan of the noise of trhe clicker through the headphones when no music is playing, it's fine when music is playting but it sounds a bit odd when nothing is playing. I thought the suffle songs button would just suffle the playlist of album you are playing, I'm not a big fan of it suffling all your music. Anyway good update for mini owners.
How about an update for my 3G iPod, everything always seems to be for the minis or 4G lately. Hmm, of course maybe all that means is that my 3G is superior to the 4Gs - the 4Gs require updates all the time, my 3G is perfect and doesn't require them in the first place.
Don't get too agitated all you lot about us 3G-ers making a valid query about the update. Each G replaces the one that preceded it and has a fundamental difference in design - mechanical wheel > dock > scroll wheel > click-wheel: and increased capacity and batt. life. and now photo - but they all are designed to play music in the best way possible.
The menu update is no reason to rush out and buy a new $$$ iPod if you already have one - design and capacity are the primary pulls. - but it would be good to unify the menu across the whole range. It really cannot be difficult to do.
The old versions are not competing with the new versions and I really do not believe that sales will slow if they update older pods. If my 3G gets the menu update I will be happy, sure, but it will not stop me from buying a new one because if I do it will be because of more GBs and photos.
I love everything about Apple - this is just a minor niggle, that's all, and doesn't make much sense.
The menu update is no reason to rush out and buy a new $$$ iPod if you already have one - design and capacity are the primary pulls. - but it would be good to unify the menu across the whole range. It really cannot be difficult to do.
The old versions are not competing with the new versions and I really do not believe that sales will slow if they update older pods. If my 3G gets the menu update I will be happy, sure, but it will not stop me from buying a new one because if I do it will be because of more GBs and photos.
I love everything about Apple - this is just a minor niggle, that's all, and doesn't make much sense.
Multimedia said:As an aside, I found iTunes 4.7 has disabled searching for the group field. I had to revert to iTunes 4.6 because of this deleted capability because I use the group field to isolate all my Air America Radio dot com tracks. Hard to understand why 4.7 would not retain that capability. As a result, 4.7 is useless to me.
Just so you all know.
actually I ran into the same problem and found that the upgrade unchecked in the view options type ( i think it is called, just recheck that and u should be able to search for types of files again.
Multimedia said:As an aside, I found iTunes 4.7 has disabled searching for the group field. I had to revert to iTunes 4.6 because of this deleted capability because I use the group field to isolate all my Air America Radio dot com tracks. Hard to understand why 4.7 would not retain that capability. As a result, 4.7 is useless to me.
Just so you all know.
Does seem kind of strange that they would disable such functionality. I presume you have made it known to Apple, through one of their feedback methods that the functionality has gone and you want it back. It might be so few people use it that no has noticed and they don't realise it has gone.