My iPod mini accepted the update, and now has Shuffle in the main menu, but still doesn't play clicks through the headphones. Anybody else had this symptom?
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I don't have a PM, and only a 3G iPod, so none of these updates concerned me. Yet I still read the whole thread... what does that say about me? I don't think it says anything good, other than I need to just quit wasting money and buy myself an iMac.
Doctor Q said:
You have to enable it in settings, it plays clicks either through the internal speaker or though the headphones.
This update is a nice surprise for a Friday morning, I've already given up hope the iPod mini update, which was rumoured months ago, would ever show up
Thanks, Zaty! That's just the tip I needed. I set it to "Both" and now I have all the clicks I want!Zaty said:
Dodgy Sound Issues Fixed?????
Anyone with a 4G have the "grating sound" issue?
Has it been addressed in this update??
For those who don't know: I've been seeing posts from 4G/iPod photo owners who complain about a "grating noise" thorough their headphones when the iPod HD is spinning. Also that some owners hear a "grating noise" when using the click wheel. Still others complain about unacceptable sound quality when listening to certain classical recordings (and it's not to do with their taste in music )
Anyone with a 4G have the "grating sound" issue?
Has it been addressed in this update??
For those who don't know: I've been seeing posts from 4G/iPod photo owners who complain about a "grating noise" thorough their headphones when the iPod HD is spinning. Also that some owners hear a "grating noise" when using the click wheel. Still others complain about unacceptable sound quality when listening to certain classical recordings (and it's not to do with their taste in music
)Why it doesn't let you update ipod
I believe when you first get an iPod the drive comes formatted as a MacOS filesystem. The first time you plug it into a Windows PC it insists that it needs to reformat the drive in order to work with the Windows machine. Then it reformats it to an MS-DOS filesystem; after-which it can be used both with MacOS and Windows.
The MacOS updater for an MS-DOS iPod refused to update it. If you download the Windows updater and do the update from the Windows machine it lets you update and keeps all your music. In fact that is what I just did.
If you want to check how your iPod is formated, hook it up to you Mac and then run Disk Utility. If you select the subcategory name of your iPod (my silver iPod mini is called SHINY) in the lower left it should show you the Format. For me it is MS-DOS File System.
As far as I know this is the only real downside of having the iPod formatted MS-DOS, but being able to connect it to Windows machines when I want to is well worth it. I suppose you lose the nice file permissions as well, but that hasn't been an issue for me. Anyone know of other limitations?
Rick Friele said:
I believe when you first get an iPod the drive comes formatted as a MacOS filesystem. The first time you plug it into a Windows PC it insists that it needs to reformat the drive in order to work with the Windows machine. Then it reformats it to an MS-DOS filesystem; after-which it can be used both with MacOS and Windows.
The MacOS updater for an MS-DOS iPod refused to update it. If you download the Windows updater and do the update from the Windows machine it lets you update and keeps all your music. In fact that is what I just did.
If you want to check how your iPod is formated, hook it up to you Mac and then run Disk Utility. If you select the subcategory name of your iPod (my silver iPod mini is called SHINY) in the lower left it should show you the Format. For me it is MS-DOS File System.
As far as I know this is the only real downside of having the iPod formatted MS-DOS, but being able to connect it to Windows machines when I want to is well worth it. I suppose you lose the nice file permissions as well, but that hasn't been an issue for me. Anyone know of other limitations?
This is sweet. Just like a 4G The best part has got to be the fact that upon ejection or removal of the power connector the thing doesn't reset before being usable That had been bothering me about the mini since I got it.
I was expecting this update back in July, but better late than never right?
The best part has got to be the fact that upon ejection or removal of the power connector the thing doesn't reset before being usable That had been bothering me about the mini since I got it.I was expecting this update back in July, but better late than never right?
jmsait19 said:
*sits on chair on front lawn shaking a stick*
And you kids with yer 3G iPods! It were us 2G buyers who made the iPod famous, darn it! Those Apple fellas wouldnt'a made a 3G without the 2G being a hit!
*pan a bit further down the road... see other old geezer on lawn, shaking a bigger stick*
Now listen here, sonny! You don't even know you were born! You 2G'ers with yer fancy schmancy touch sensitive wheel! Bah! In my day, the wheel actually turned! AND WE LIKED IT! Just like God intended! Bah...
*mumble mumble*
Anywaaaaayyyy
I've got a 2G iPod, which still works exactly the way it did when I thought it was worth buying. In fact, I still love the thing. 2 years later, I still find myself slightly giggly when setting up playlists. Maybe it's just odd that I still think what it does is insanely cool, even after using it every day for two years.
IMHO, it was the best money I've ever spent on a gadget. I've spent more on a top-of-the-range PC graphics card. More on a games console. As long as it continues to work how it was designed to, I'm more than happy.
(Also, it helped that I really, really dislike the button layout on the 3Gs. I had no problem at all keeping hold of my fatter/no OTG-playlist 2G iPod just to keep the 'classic' button arrangement.
Now the 4th gen's out with that cool clickwheel, *now* I wouldn't mind buying another. Maybe at tomorrow's AppleStore London opening!)
whenpaulsparks said:
I really like the aesthetic of the 3G touch-sensitive controls. They're gorgeous. They just don't work very well for me. If I can't see the iPod - say it's strapped to my belt, or I'm just glancing in a different direction then, because the controls don't need pressure to be activated, I can't just run my finger across the surface to find the right button because the act of find the right button will activate all the buttons I've passed. The Mini/4Gs combination of a touch-sensitive wheel and clickable-buttons in clearly defined quandrants seems a reasonable compromise. Activating a button - a press - doesn't cause confusion with a volume change - a sweep.
The new Alu displays have the same issue (I have a 23") - the power and brightness up/down buttons are 3G iPod stylee on the right hand side at the bottom, so you can't see them without leaning around the edge of the screen or rotating it. Because they're touch sensitive you can't just find the first button with fa fingertip and count down - turning the brightness down normally involves either turning the brightness up, or the panel off accidentally before I find the correct button.
Touch sensitive controls are, imho, a triumph of a glorious aesthetic over the practical.
Sure, the click wheels aren't remotely as solid as the 3G fascias, but I find them much easier to interact with.
Doctor Q said:
How can you live with those clicks? I find them the single most annoying feature of the iPod - especially since I have to turn them off again after each reset (and my iPod crashes a lot).
jxyama said:
Actually it is, my apologies, as that wasn't my intent at all. Now that I read that, it does kind of come across that way. All I was actually meaning was that due to my background, I can really appreciate music to its fullest - I didn't mean to say others cannot.
That being said, not everyone can listen to a symphony and appreciate the melodies, key changes, chords, progressions and so on, discerning the different harmonies and appreciate the music itself. Some people do not even understand things such as counterpoint. (Not saying that's wrong, just saying...) Many people love listening to house or trance music simply due to the sound, the energy, the big bass - although I love to do this as well, I also listen and appreciate the talent of the DJ - I can hear what he's doing and how impressive it is to do be doing that on the fly - beat-matching, syncing, applying crossfades, pitch-bending, slapping a low-pass or band-pass filter on a track at just the right time, etc. etc. Some people don't like certain tunes, for instance, because they don't sound cool or sound like "noise", whereas I can appreciate the frequency modulation, sampling, etc. that is being done - the actual "music engineering" if you will. With jazz or funk, there are groups I'll listen to over and over and appreciate drummers for using unconventional patterns, bass players for pulling off amazing riffs, or horn players for coming up with amazing chord progressions. As well as enjoying the tunes and the groups, I truly appreciate and enjoy the music itself whereas some people just like a tune because it's "catchy" or "sounds cool".
But are they not true music lovers? Of course not, they love music as well.
I could go on and on, but I hope you see where I'm coming from, and I hope this clarifies things a little. So don't worry about "stomping on my post".
mfacey said:Besides, I still think the 3G looks better than the 4G!
I'm with you on that. I still feel the mechanical buttons on the mini & 4g is a step backwards. I love my 3g 20gb
I was having major crashing problems and kernal panics with my new 1.8 Ghz G5. Everything checked out ok. Disconnected my iSight 8 days ago have been up and running with no problem since, I think that apple may have some work to do on those iSights still ive heard a lot of people are having issues with them.
whenpaulsparks said:
fyi, mini has had shuffle feature right from the beginning. the thing is that you had to go into settings to turn it on. only thing this update did was to enable an option to have that right in the top most menu...
also, 3G came out in april/may 2003. mini came out jan. 2004. not really the same time period... mini is right between the 3G and 4G...
Steamboatwillie said:
My girlfriend made the same comment the other day when we werein Best Buy, looking at the new 4G model (we have a 3G model.) She said that she liked the look and feel of our 3G better, and I had to agree somewhat (without sounding too biased of course!) One thing that is for certain though, I have no regrets about having a 3G and not a 4G, and I'll probably love my 3G just as much even when the 5G comes out.
Steamboatwillie said:
Mechanical buttons? Are you referring to the way the click wheel actually bends/warps to affect a button press? Every iPod has always had a mechanical interface: the button in the center of the wheel. I believe it's actually a step forward to incorporate all of the controls around a circle, as you no longer have to take the iPod out of your pocket to press ffwd/rewind/play/menu (as on the 3G's you had to look before pressing a button, seeing as they were touch sensitive).
Not to mention the fact that Apple managed to devise a touch-sensitive mechanism that calculates circular motion (and acceleration!) on a thin layer of plastic that warps (bends, for key presses). Now *that's* cool!
I've been hanging out for this update ever since I heard the rumor of it! w00t - this rocks the mainline.
See y'all in Regents St. tomorrow morning, bright and early
R.
~Shard~ said:
I'll tell you the problem I have with people saying they "would never buy online music until it's provided in a lossless format".
You've been buying music in a lossy format for over a decade. The sampling done to make a CD is lossy, and can introduce some awful harmonics. Fortunately it's too subtle for most people to notice.
The TTL circuits that are probably used in your amp / stereo system (unless you have vacuum tubes) are lossy. They are again sampling and reconstituting the music, creating some awful harmonics.
Heck, odds are the amp used when recording the music was digital. Guess what?
It's not a question of "lossy" vs. "lossless". Everything we are sold is lossy. Walk into a music store and buy a CD, it's encoded in a lossy format. That's okay though, because even if it wasn't your amp will re-encode into a lossy format.
The question is how much are you willing to accept, based on the style of music you listen to and how well attuned your ear is to specific harmonics?
I had no idea that "losslessness" as far as digital music is concerned is somewhat of a misnomer. I'll be sure to pass this on.stcanard said:
just installed the firmware update on my dual 1.8 with no problems and have the iPod firmware update downloading now
stcanard said:
I never said that - I think you have me confused with someone else. At least quote Aiden or somebody else who actually made a comment somewhat referring to this. All I ever commented on was more along the lines of "music appreciation", etc. (see my my lengthy post above) and all I ever implied (not even stated!) along your lines was that I can tell the difference between audio CDs, live music, etc. and compressed MP3s, AAC versions of the former.
