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Some 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models Misreporting Intel Iris Pro 580 Graphics
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No. I honestly don't know what you mean by disposable crap unless your under the assumption that Apple had perpetual machines as I said facetiously in my first reply.
In fact, after playing with the MacBook Pro in the stores for several hours, the craftsmanship is completely "Apple", and it makes the surface look like a pile of crap in regard to ingenuity.
He's absolutely right. Tim Cook's Apple only makes disposable computers. SSD soldered on, RAM soldered on, batteries glued, screens heavily glued... there's nothing user replaceable with new Apple computers. That's why iFixit gave them 1/10 score. Better score would probably have been 0/10 but their scoring is from 1 to 10.
If your SSD dies, you can chuck your computer away and if your logic board dies, you'll lose your data as well.
Called it!
I just can't wait until my 'Mystery Mac' arrives, but now I won't even open the box until after I call Apple and have them read back the BTO line-by-line. At some point maybe the Board of Directors is going realize their poster child couldn't manage a phone booth with a hand full of quarters.
I just can't wait until my 'Mystery Mac' arrives, but now I won't even open the box until after I call Apple and have them read back the BTO line-by-line. At some point maybe the Board of Directors is going realize their poster child couldn't manage a phone booth with a hand full of quarters.
Ram was soldered on with the original MacBook Airs. The first gen iPad came with 256 mb of ram and didn't even last 2 full software updates. The 2011 iMac was a pain to crack open and service as well.
I am not saying Apple is right to do this, but Steve certainly was no angel when it came to the upgradeability of their hardware either.
So the flat repair rate that would cost less than the parts makes the laptop just a "throw away" ?
Also, for all this "thinking about the Pros", who doesn't place most of their data in redundancy on external media and the cloud?
Every laptop I've gotten since the mid-90s, that wasn't a very recent Mac, I have upgraded storage at least once and RAM at least once. Because disks and RAM get cheaper, and a year or two into owning a machine, I have more and bigger things to do on it than I did when I got it, and the parts are cheaper.
Prior to that, every Mac laptop I got, I used for at least two or three years. I'm about to give one to a friend that I've only had for about a year and a half, because it's not upgradeable and I started hitting that limit. If it were upgradeable, I'd be buying more memory for it. Instead, I'm giving it away.
So, basically, Apple's moved towards a model where as soon as the machine as-originally-shipped can't do what you want, you ditch it, because there's no way to upgrade. And that would be a pretty good fit for "disposable crap".
You need to stop it with this apologist viewpoint. It's a disservice to the forum and consumers.
Many people. Just because you don't do it that way, doesn't mean it never happens.
When buying the MBP using my Mastercard Gold credit card, I get 2 years of warranty extension here, making it 3 years in total.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Applecare only gives 2 years of protection from purchase (but 3 years of phone support?). What reason is there to get Applecare?
AppleCare for Macs is 3 years from purchase date and also covers accessories purchased in the same general time period. AppleCare+ for iOS devices is 2 years but also covers 2 incidents of accidental damage with an additional $29 deductible for screen replacement or $99 for the whole device. (The $29 screen replacement bit is new.)
Edit: And I believe AppleCare+ might go for 3 years now in countries where there is a 2 year minimum on the manufacturer's limited warranty. I remember Apple running afoul of that rule in regards to their advertising practices in the EU not too long ago.
Correct, well I think $249 on 13" and $349 on 15". I know it's a lot, but this is a big investment (for most people). Normally I don't buy extended warranties, but I make an exception on these. It ended up paying for itself the last time I bought a MBP, just because if anything goes wrong on these, they are really hard to fix or impossible. So one thing in 3 years could literally pay for it or save you from having to buy a new machine instead.
It seems like the people posting on here who've gotten them enjoy them for the most part. I enjoyed using it in the store (without the touch bar a few weeks ago). The screen really is gorgeous, the keyboard was actually preferable to me as the lesser key travel allowed me to type faster, and the form factor is fantastic. If you don't need an absolute beast with 32GB ram and an almost desktop class GPU in a laptop, it really is a beautiful machine. I'm really excited to get mine. I was never excited to use Vista... lol
Then there was the original Macintosh where you needed a special 18-inch-long Torx screwdriver to get the lid off - justified because careless DIY upgraders could end up eating 20,000V from the HT circuitry in the display, even if the Mac was unplugged...
Methinks Jobs was ambivalent on the ease-of-service thing, and probably accepted that it depended on the product. If it is of ultimate importance that a device be ultra-thin and ultra-light devices then soldered down components, glued-together cases and non-replaceable batteries make perfect sense. The iPod, iPad, iPhone or the MB Air were never going to have much in the way of user-servicable parts.
The current problem is that the ever-thinner-and-lighter mantra is getting applied to "power user" products like the top-end MacBook Pro and iMac that were "thin enough" a couple of generations ago and are now really suffering from the thermal constraints and lack of upgradeability that comes from being crammed into ever-smaller boxes.