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Some 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models Misreporting Intel Iris Pro 580 Graphics

it's clear that in apple's plan was to unveil a base 15" mbp with Iris pro HD580 graphics and no dgpu.
then god knows what happened at intel and they couldn't provide those chips, or couldn't provide those chips for apple's numbers and/or quality standards.
has anyone had in their hands a skylake cpu with HD580? is the NUC skull canyon still on sale?
 
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melendezest said:
Okay Captain Apologist,

The fact that you "can without any difficulty find a flaw, annoyance or non perfection in ANY product there is" supports my position that you have the right to complain about it. I was addressing the OP's and others opposition to those who are calling Apple out on this, because it's Apple.



True, but Apple is a company, not a person. Thus, companies (as well as individuals, really) are to be held accountable, whether on Internet forums or the Supreme Court.



Such information will impact both my willingness to purchase and/or recommend or speak against said product. When we're talking about a purchase, especially one in the thousands of dollars, for a device that will carry my family's memories, my life's work, my important legal documents, and a lot of the things that bring my life joy, EVERY SINGLE ISSUE is important and should be considered.
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Its amazing how you completely missed the point of my post, and provided the EXACT same argument.

Please re-read and try harder to understand. I could not have made it simpler.
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However you want to twist this non-issue which will obviously be fixed is fine with me.
See my sign off about complaining.

You may want to accept that humans work in corporations, thus mistakes will happen.

Lastly, if you base your purchasing information on non-issues, and you consider EVERY SINGLE ISSUE in your life important, your life will be very stressful.

Come to think of it, I'll send that in to the people who make fortune cookies.

Lucky numbers 6, 12, 18, 22, 30, 48
 
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Thunderhawks said:
However you want to twist this non-issue which will obviously be fixed is fine with me.
See my sign off about complaining.

You may want to accept that humans work in corporations, thus mistakes will happen.

Lastly, if you base your purchasing information on non-issues, and you consider EVERY SINGLE ISSUE in your life important, your life will be very stressful.

Come to think of it, I'll send that in to the people who make fortune cookies.

Lucky numbers 6, 12, 18, 22, 30, 48
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lol.. people like the drama man, that's all there is to it
you know you do :p
 
repoman27 said:
Absolutely. Will anyone care a year from now? No. I also genuinely believe that people think they need more adapters than they really do.
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Well, it depends if USB-C takes off or not. I think it probably will... but then FireWire was going to be a winner once it got adopted as the standard for DV camcorders, wasn't it...?

I also genuinely believe that people think they need more adapters than they really do.
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I've counted them. Twice. And I'd need about £400 worth... or £500 for a neater solution with docks... and that's with the discount and still not replacing the USB-C to B/micro-b cables on every last device I might use. Currently, I don't need to shuttle my MagSafe power supply to and from work, because I've got an Apple Cinema Display with Magsafe at work, so for the same benefit that's £100 for a new USB-C PSU and charge cable (actually it makes it better value to get a £150 USB-C dock... if that turns out to be compatible). The ACD needs a USB-C to MiniDP adapter, but the only one I can find on line has lousy reviews, so that would end up with a fugly USB-C->DisplayPort->MiniDP double-dongle. At home, I need 2 x DisplayPort and wired Ethernet... On the road, I need VGA, and a USB-A for dealing with memory sticks... but HDMI is starting to crop up so that's both the Apple AV dongles (maybe there's a mini hub/dock with both, if it is compatible, but it won't be night-and-day cheaper).

Until you've sat down, thought through what you actually need, you might be surprised at how quickly those £10s, £20s and £30s for "just a new cable" add up. Even with the shiny new LG thunderbolt 3 display you'll still need extra cables and dongles, because despite having tons of space they couldn't squeeze in a USB-A or Ethernet port...
 
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theluggage said:
Well, it depends if USB-C takes off or not. I think it probably will... but then FireWire was going to be a winner once it got adopted as the standard for DV camcorders, wasn't it...?



I've counted them. Twice. And I'd need about £400 worth... or £500 for a neater solution with docks... and that's with the discount and still not replacing the USB-C to B/micro-b cables on every last device I might use. Currently, I don't need to shuttle my MagSafe power supply to and from work, because I've got an Apple Cinema Display with Magsafe at work, so for the same benefit that's £100 for a new USB-C PSU and charge cable (actually it makes it better value to get a £150 USB-C dock... if that turns out to be compatible). The ACD needs a USB-C to MiniDP adapter, but the only one I can find on line has lousy reviews, so that would end up with a fugly USB-C->DisplayPort->MiniDP double-dongle. At home, I need 2 x DisplayPort and wired Ethernet... On the road, I need VGA, and a USB-A for dealing with memory sticks... but HDMI is starting to crop up so that's both the Apple AV dongles (maybe there's a mini hub/dock with both, if it is compatible, but it won't be night-and-day cheaper).

Until you've sat down, thought through what you actually need, you might be surprised at how quickly those £10s, £20s and £30s for "just a new cable" add up. Even with the shiny new LG thunderbolt 3 display you'll still need extra cables and dongles, because despite having tons of space they couldn't squeeze in a USB-A or Ethernet port...
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Bro.. if you need 500 usd worth of dongles you're doing it wrong. I have USB A, micro, a usb c to usb male adapter, and ethernet, as well as HDMI, and a micro SD reader, and i've paid less than 60 bucks USD.... how you managed to spend so much is beyond me.
 
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melendezest said:
Its amazing how you completely missed the point of my post, and provided the EXACT same argument.

Please re-read and try harder to understand. I could not have made it simpler.
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No. What is really amazing (but not surprising), is your failure to answer the simple questions I put forward to understand if you are placing this insignificant mistake in any kind of context. Or, if you routinely attach a similar "Apple is f'd up. Period" to everyone and every company who makes tiny insignificant mistakes that have no effect on the user (as they all do).

If that's true and you do live in a world where nuance is not part of your vocabulary, that's fine - every inadvertent mistake is a major *that person or company is f'd up. Period.* Curious if you make simple mistakes that have no real significance, and if so, do you own them and hold yourself accountable to the same un-nuanced degree that you place on others?
 
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Thunderhawks said:
However you want to twist this non-issue which will obviously be fixed is fine with me.
See my sign off about complaining.

You may want to accept that humans work in corporations, thus mistakes will happen.

Lastly, if you base your purchasing information on non-issues, and you consider EVERY SINGLE ISSUE in your life important, your life will be very stressful.

Come to think of it, I'll send that in to the people who make fortune cookies.

Lucky numbers 6, 12, 18, 22, 30, 48
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Mistakes will happen. true. But that doesn't mean that I have to tolerate them, from a company that's selling a product.

It's up to me to decide if the error is acceptable or not.

My post was directed at the fact that you and others are making it sound like I should not complain. That is a general statement, while in the case of this issue it may be minor, it is I, the customer, who decides that.

And given the fact that you are complaining about the complainers, you can apply your sign off to yourself.
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citysnaps said:
No. What is really amazing (but not surprising), is your failure to answer the simple questions I put forward to understand if you are placing this insignificant mistake in any kind of context. Or, if you routinely attach a similar "Apple is f'd up. Period" to everyone and every company who makes tiny insignificant mistakes that have no effect on the user (as they all do).

If that's true and you do live in a world where nuance is not part of your vocabulary, that's fine - every inadvertent mistake is a major *that person or company is f'd up. Period.* Curious if you make simple mistakes that have no real significance, and if so, do you own them and hold yourself accountable to the same un-nuanced degree that you place on others?
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Well, the issue is that there are a couple of apologists here that refuse to admit when Apple screws up and immediately start to defend them.

Whether the issue is minor or not is irrelevant. Apple f'd up, period.

Now, if we can agree on that, then we can rationally discuss why the issue is minor or a non-issue.

But to start defending Apple right away by saying others screw up too is BS.

Period.
 
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melendezest said:
Mistakes will happen. true. But that doesn't mean that I have to tolerate them, from a company that's selling a product.

It's up to me to decide if the error is acceptable or not.

My post was directed at the fact that you and others are making it sound like I should not complain. That is a general statement, while in the case of this issue it may be minor, it is I, the customer, who decides that.

And given the fact that you are complaining about the complainers, you can apply your sign off to yourself.
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Well, the issue is that there are a couple of apologists here that refuse to admit when Apple screws up and immediately start to defend them.

Whether the issue is minor or not is irrelevant. Apple f'd up, period.

Now, if we can agree on that, then we can rationally discuss why the issue is minor or a non-issue.

But to start defending Apple right away by saying others screw up too is BS.

Period.
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Very funny.

Yes, you have to tolerate mistakes from any company, because most of the time there is nothing you can do about little, especially insignificant (in the eyes of the manufacturer) issues.
That is whether you like it or not.

I just cannot see that you never make a mistake and people do not tolerate you mistakes and just work around it without making a big deal.

To get back to your earlier point that you wanted to know why this happened, just to illustrate:

Phone call:
"Hello, this is Peter Snyder from Apple programming"
Consumer: Why are you calling?
I wanted to apologize and explain, why sometimes the system information
about the graphics chips are wrong.
Consumer: Oh, thank you not a big deal. No impact on what I do.
"Oh no, we at Apple have received a lot of complaints about it.
Anyway, I was in the middle of programming and entering the actual chip information.
Just to verify, I asked my colleague Bill : Is the chip number 580 or 530?
He said: Beats me, so I went with 580, because I was tired and wanted to go home.
My sincere apologies, and if it makes you feel better: I have reported Bill to my supervisors!

There, you now know what (possibly) happened.
 
Thunderhawks said:
Very funny.

Yes, you have to tolerate mistakes from any company, because most of the time there is nothing you can do about little, especially insignificant (in the eyes of the manufacturer) issues.
That is whether you like it or not.

I just cannot see that you never make a mistake and people do not tolerate you mistakes and just work around it without making a big deal.

To get back to your earlier point that you wanted to know why this happened, just to illustrate:

Phone call:
"Hello, this is Peter Snyder from Apple programming"
Consumer: Why are you calling?
I wanted to apologize and explain, why sometimes the system information
about the graphics chips are wrong.
Consumer: Oh, thank you not a big deal. No impact on what I do.
"Oh no, we at Apple have received a lot of complaints about it.
Anyway, I was in the middle of programming and entering the actual chip information.
Just to verify, I asked my colleague Bill : Is the chip number 580 or 530?
He said: Beats me, so I went with 580, because I was tired and wanted to go home.
My sincere apologies, and if it makes you feel better: I have reported Bill to my supervisors!

There, you now know what (possibly) happened.
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You keep deflecting this to me. We're here to talk about Apple, not about me.

And no, I don't have to tolerate a damn thing if I don't want to.

I can always buy something else, from somewhere else.

But whatever man. I'm tired of going around in circles over this.
 
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theluggage said:
Well, it depends if USB-C takes off or not. I think it probably will... but then FireWire was going to be a winner once it got adopted as the standard for DV camcorders, wasn't it...?



I've counted them. Twice. And I'd need about £400 worth... or £500 for a neater solution with docks... and that's with the discount and still not replacing the USB-C to B/micro-b cables on every last device I might use. Currently, I don't need to shuttle my MagSafe power supply to and from work, because I've got an Apple Cinema Display with Magsafe at work, so for the same benefit that's £100 for a new USB-C PSU and charge cable (actually it makes it better value to get a £150 USB-C dock... if that turns out to be compatible). The ACD needs a USB-C to MiniDP adapter, but the only one I can find on line has lousy reviews, so that would end up with a fugly USB-C->DisplayPort->MiniDP double-dongle. At home, I need 2 x DisplayPort and wired Ethernet... On the road, I need VGA, and a USB-A for dealing with memory sticks... but HDMI is starting to crop up so that's both the Apple AV dongles (maybe there's a mini hub/dock with both, if it is compatible, but it won't be night-and-day cheaper).

Until you've sat down, thought through what you actually need, you might be surprised at how quickly those £10s, £20s and £30s for "just a new cable" add up. Even with the shiny new LG thunderbolt 3 display you'll still need extra cables and dongles, because despite having tons of space they couldn't squeeze in a USB-A or Ethernet port...
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They do add up, I get it.

But you start out with "need", and the first (and most expensive item on the list as far as I see it) is a second power brick and charging cable to the tune of $98 (I'm going to use USD pricing because that's what is available to me, but I totally get that things may not be priced even remotely the same in your market). This is a convenience, and a minor one at that given the mass and volume of Apple's adapters these days, not a strict need. I do understand the value of that convenience, and that you've grown accustomed to it, but it's certainly more of a deferrable purchase. Your ACD cost a lot more than £100, and you've already gotten many years of usage out of it. You can still use it as a display and USB 2.0 hub, and it will continue to charge your current laptop just as it always has. There is a certain point where a device's compatibility with the current latest and greatest begins to wane. If not carrying that little brick back and forth to the office is worth $98 to you, then buy it, if not you can hold off.

For hooking up the ACD, you might want to check out the HyperDrive USB Type-C Hub with Mini DisplayPort (for 2016 MacBook Pro & 12" MacBook) for $49.95.

Then you say, "and still not replacing the USB-C to B/micro-b cables on every last device I might use." You don't need to. In fact, you shouldn't. For all the stuff you currently use USB Type-A for, you can get a decent USB Type-A hub with a single Type-C connection for the MBP. No new cables or flash drives required. I'd still probably grab one of the Apple USB-C to USB Adapters at the $9 price, because they're wee and would probably come in handy. I guess I'd also pick up a Type-C to Micro-B cable for mobile devices (and/or Type-C to Lightning if you're in that camp) for when you're on the road and using a hub would be inconvenient.

Turns out the Type-C to DisplayPort cables are still rare creatures and a bit pricey where you can find them. Do you really need two though? My DP displays are the daisy-chainable kind, so only one would need a Type-C cable. I cringe at the thought of connecting anything these days with VGA, but whatever—projectors last forever I guess. A good quality HDMI 2.0a adapter I can get behind though.

So by my tally:

Apple USB-C Charge Cable (2 m) $19.00
Apple 87W USB-C Power Adapter $79.00
Hyper HyperDrive USB Type-C Hub with Mini DisplayPort (for 2016 MacBook Pro & 12" MacBook) $49.95
Belkin USB-C to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter $26.00
Apple USB-C to USB Adapter $9.00
Apple USB-C to Lightning Cable (1 m) $19.00
Anker USB-C to 4-Port USB 3.0 Hub $17.99
Belkin USB-C to VGA Adapter $29.00
Accell USB-C to HDMI 2.0a Adapter P/N U187B-005B $34.99
Monoprice Select Series 2.0 USB-C to Micro B Cable, 3ft $8.99
2x Google USB Type-C to DisplayPort Cable $39.99 ea.

Grand total: $373 (and that's a lot of dongles)
Total less the Apple and Monoprice stuff which falls more under convenience rather than need: $238
And if you only need a single Type-C to DP cable: $198
 
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oh man, this just gets better and better.

  • Non-user replaceable SSD and memory
  • Lack of ports
  • Obscenely overpriced
  • Gimmicky touchbar - doesn't yet support some of Apple's own apps (Logic anyone???)
  • GPU glitching issues
  • Underperforming dGPU
  • Three-finger drag issues
  • Misreporting GPU issue

That all adds up to an overpriced, steaming Cupertino turd, with peanuts held in with proprietary pentalobe screws......
 
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This generation of macbook pros may be a win on aesthetics side but its a total disaster from a hardware standpoint. It's way too limiting...
 
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melendezest said:
Well, the issue is that there are a couple of apologists here that refuse to admit when Apple screws up and immediately start to defend them.

Whether the issue is minor or not is irrelevant. Apple f'd up, period.

Now, if we can agree on that, then we can rationally discuss why the issue is minor or a non-issue.

But to start defending Apple right away by saying others screw up too is BS.

Period.
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Nice deflection. Not surprised.
 
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dannys1 said:
It was, so people can say things like "They did this on purpose" and "This is Apple's Vista" hysterically. This forum loves things like this more than anything else.

Wait for the Tim Cook should be fired dude.
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No, however lowering the price on the Touch Bars $250, and having removable SSD's in all 3 models would have generated less negative comments. :apple:
 
repoman27 said:
Everyone is going to pile on Apple for this, since that's the cool thing to do on the Internet right now, but this is simply an errant string in this particular build of MacOS causing System Information to misreport the GPU. It in no way affects anything performance wise.

The more interesting takeaway is why Apple isn't shipping the SKL-H 4+4e SKUs when one certainly would have expected them to. Clearly this string being present means that at some point the OS team thought it might be used. So of course everyone will say "margins" or "greed", but the reality is that Intel have entirely failed to deliver 14nm mobile 4+4e. The last HQ Iris Pro part seen in the wild aside from an Intel NUC was in the Haswell era. Hence the last 15-inch MBP used Haswell Refresh.
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Apple deserves the poopstorm they're getting. Pretentious acting company
 
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Wild-Bill said:
oh man, this just gets better and better.

  • Non-user replaceable SSD and memory
  • Lack of ports
  • Obscenely overpriced
  • Gimmicky touchbar - doesn't yet support some of Apple's own apps (Logic anyone???)
  • GPU glitching issues
  • Underperforming dGPU
  • Three-finger drag issues
  • Misreporting GPU issue

That all adds up to an overpriced, steaming Cupertino turd, with peanuts held in with proprietary pentalobe screws......
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You are still getting the same GPU promised to you on the spec sheet. I fail to see how that is remotely even a problem. I can see how that would be an issue if the reverse had happened (Apple promised a 580 but their laptops shipped with a 530). But to complain about getting exactly what you paid for?

That's a new low, even for Macrumours.
 
it's a 'unique' feature.. enjoy it while u can.

I'll put the blame on the OS..... Its kinda pushing it up hill to say all tech specs from Apple are wrong and Apple decided last minute to offer some Macbook pro's different GPU's..
 
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