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I bought one of the Samsung stand up wireless chargers which has a fan built in to dissipate the heat. Cost $80 at Best Buy.


It also says on the box that it's certified to work with Apple's 7.5w. i still haven't unboxed it yet, but I've used Samsung charging pads in the past with Android phones, and I like that they have the fan in them to help with the heat.

What App are you guys talking about to check the wattage being used? I'd like to try that when I unbox the Samsung charger.



One of those two. Keep in mind, they’re a rough estimate, not exact. Make sure your phone is at around 20-60% or so before running the test I.e. don’t run the test on a full battery.
 
My mophie charger is only sending ~5W according to that Ampere app. I have this mophie wireless charger: Screen Shot 2019-09-26 at 6.31.36 PM.png
 
Nah....just calling you out on another unsupported claim you've made.
Almost all my claims are financial and based on fact.

The others are based on what Apple does, so there is good reason...like NOT recalling butterfly keyboards? Guess why? Not a big problem.
 
Apple's lack of clarity on wireless charging is appalling.

They have an extremely useful, practical feature that employs an open standard. A potential to make tonnes of $$ selling accessories. And yet they refuse to elaborate on the charging wattage in any of iPhone tech specs or marketing. Most people don't have a clue that there's 5W, 7.5W and an incompatible 10W. The whole thing has been fumbled.

Apple does not promise fast charging via wireless and the standard charger is 5W, so there’s nothing appalling about it. It works exactly like the stock charger that comes on the box.
 
I actually use wireless charging exclusively. I do use Belkin and nothing seems to have changed on my end.

I can happily report that ever since iOS 13.1 my wireless phone holder in my car from Tylt is actually working like it's supposed to. Before, it was not maintaining charge while using Waze. It would only properly work if the phone screen was off, which naturally defeats the purpose.
 
If your battery is above a certain percentage you will see slow charging anyway. From what I’ve heard in the past that’s around 80%. So if you’re just topping it up you may not see the full 7.5w.
 
Wireless charging definitely had an negative impact on my iPhone Xs. The capacity was down to about 88% last time I looked.

The problem is that iPhone's do not send a signal to the wireless charger so the charger does not know when the iPhone is fully charged, so it keeps charging anyway. When using a cable it knows when it's at 100% and stops.

I've gone back to fast-charging with cables. Quicker, more reliable & I know it won't have an impact on the battery life like wireless charging does.
 
Wireless charging definitely had an negative impact on my iPhone Xs. The capacity was down to about 88% last time I looked.

The problem is that iPhone's do not send a signal to the wireless charger so the charger does not know when the iPhone is fully charged, so it keeps charging anyway. When using a cable it knows when it's at 100% and stops.

I've gone back to fast-charging with cables. Quicker, more reliable & I know it won't have an impact on the battery life like wireless charging does.

I don’t think that’s accurate. After reading a number of articles on the subject your specific claim isn’t in any of them.


A phone not having an in built cut off would be stupid, and probably terribly dangerous. What apparently does happen though is that when charged the phone cannot then use the pad as direct power (unlike a cable). So it will use the battery a bit, then charge it up and so on.
 
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I don’t think that’s accurate. After reading a number of articles on the subject your specific claim isn’t in any of them.


A phone not having an in built cut off would be stupid, and probably terribly dangerous. What apparently does happen though is that when charged the phone cannot then use the pad as direct power (unlike a cable). So it will use the battery a bit, then charge it up and so on.

Well I am using the RAVPower fast wireless chargers, widely regarded as the best for iPhone. You know there's a problem with the product comes with a warning that Apple iPhone's do not send a signal to the charger like Android devices do, so it constantly charges. The yellow charging light never stops blinking when an iPhone is on the pad.

In fact, when fast charging, the light is supposed to be green. But as the iPhone does not send any signals to wireless chargers the charger can never tell you when it's fast-charging, even though it is.

There's clearly an issue with wireless charging and my phone always felt very warm when it was charging from below 70%. If I was just topping up from say 80%, it would remain cool.

None of these issues occur when using a cable.
 
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Well I am using the RAVPower fast wireless chargers, widely regarded as the best for iPhone. You know there's a problem with the product comes with a warning that Apple iPhone's do not send a signal to the charger like Android devices do, so it constantly charges. The yellow charging light never stops blinking when an iPhone is on the pad.

You’re reading something into between the lines that isn’t there.

RAVPower‘s statement says:
Whether your iPhone is being standard charged, fast charged, or fully charged, the LED will stay orange and NOT turn green as iPhones do not send any signal to the wireless charger.
Source: https://www.ravpower.com/p/fast-wireless-charger-pc034.html

It’s the phone’s BMS that determines the cut off.
Source: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/does-wireless-charging-degrade-your-battery-faster/

If it didn’t we all would have our houses burnt down by now.

There's clearly an issue with wireless charging and my phone always felt very warm when it was charging from below 70%. If I was just topping up from say 80%, it would remain cool.

This would be expected. In the lower range it‘s charging faster and slows down as it tops up. Wireless charging is less efficient and produces more heat.
 
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The problem is that iPhone's do not send a signal to the wireless charger so the charger does not know when the iPhone is fully charged, so it keeps charging anyway. When using a cable it knows when it's at 100% and stops.
I think there’s a basic misunderstanding here of the way that electricity works. In simplest terms, regardless of a wired or wireless connection, electrical current is pulled by the device not pushed or ”forced” into it. This is why the term “draw” is referred to when measuring current or amperage (e.g. a device is said to be “drawing current” from a power source).

The amount of current drawn is entirely under the control of the iPhone, and it doesn’t require any kind of special communication with the charger beyond the basic principles of electricity — it simply starts consuming less power. This actually happens at around 80%, when the charging rate slows down, and once the iPhone reaches 100%, it should drop to nearly zero, although the iPhone should continue to draw a small amount of current from the charger in order to avoid using the battery. From the iPhone’s perspective, this works the same whether it’s a wired or a wireless charger, as it’s just physics.

Where Qi chargers differ is that the power output of the charger is controlled by a data communication (“handshake”) between the iPhone and the charging pad itself. So unlike a wired charger, a Qi wireless charger doesn’t know how much power to send until the connected device tells it, and similarly doesn’t know when to stop sending power as it has no reliable way of actually measuring the draw from the attached device due to the vagaries of the inductive connection.

However, even IF the Qi charger gets this wrong — either by supplying too much current or continuing to provide full charging current after the iPhone battery is topped up — this doesn’t mean that your iPhone will be in danger of overcharging the battery, but it might be at risk of overheating. Again, basic thermodynamics says you can’t “force” power into a device that doesn’t want it. Instead, what happens is that the power being sent out by the Qi charging pad that’s no longer being consumed by the iPhone is dissipated as heat, which of course can still be a bad thing for your iPhone, but in a totally different way. In fact, if you find your iPhone getting excessively hot when wirelessly charging, this is probably the reason why, and it’s almost certainly the fault of the a cheap or poorly designed charger, and not anything wrong with your iPhone.

This is also why “foreign object detection” is so important in the Qi charging standard. If a charging pad was always sending out power, a metallic object placed on top of the charging pad would absorb the energy sent out by the pad, turning it into heat, which could be extremely dangerous depending on the type of foreign object placed on the charging pad.
 
They're forcing people to buy chargers that comply with the Qi EPP standard to get fast charging. Those are the "fixed frequency voltage regulation" chargers the article talks about.

They're apparently disabling this variable frequency made-in-China 7.5 W charging shortcut that causes interference to phone circuits and does not meet the relevant Qi standard.

Compare the noise in the top chart to the bottom chart in the article.

This is mostly false. Currently there is no required special Qi certification for Apple 7.5W charging beyond Qi BPP. The ones in the Apple store that work fine still are BPP certified.

They have disabled 7.5W charging for variable frequency chargers in favor of a fixed frequency design, this is mainly to simplify the phone design by not requiring Apple to design a phone with immunity to a wider range of interference. Google, Samsung, and pretty much every other phone manufacturer hasn't imposed the same restriction and still fast-charge with a variable frequency design and therefore has to design a phone that is tolerant to a wider range of noise.

Lastly variable frequency designs can be Qi certified and are common because the charger itself is much less costly to design and make. Nearly all wireless chargers are made in China, even those on the Apple store so that's just an irrelevant comment.
 
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This is mostly false. Currently there is no required special Qi certification for Apple 7.5W charging beyond Qi BPP. The ones in the Apple store that work fine still are BPP certified.

They have disabled 7.5W charging for variable frequency chargers in favor of a fixed frequency design, this is mainly to simplify the phone design by not requiring Apple to design a phone with immunity to a wider range of interference. Google, Samsung, and pretty much every other phone manufacturer hasn't imposed the same restriction and still fast-charge with a variable frequency design and therefore has to design a phone that is tolerant to a wider range of noise.

Lastly variable frequency designs can be Qi certified and are common because the charger itself is much less costly to design and make. Nearly all wireless chargers are made in China, even those on the Apple store so that's just an irrelevant comment.

I have no expertise in the area of wireless charging, so I have have a simple question...

1) Will my Anker wireless charger work properly to charge any of my iPhones that support wireless charging at the correct wattage for the phone?

2) If yes, is this because iOS 13.x is telling the charger it needs 5w instead of 7.5w (if the charger in question is a variable frequency charger)?

Thanks!
 
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I have no expertise in the area of wireless charging, so I have have a simple question...

1) Will my Anker wireless charger work properly to charge any of my iPhones that support wireless charging at the correct wattage for the phone?

) If yes, is this because iOS 13.x is telling the charger it needs 5w instead of 7.5w (if the charger in question is a variable frequency charger)?

Thanks!

I'm not completely certain because I don't know with this specific charger whether it uses a fixed frequency design. My initial guess is that it probably does not because it incurs additional cost and the only place it was really required was in products being sold on the Apple Store directly. It will still charge your phone fine though at 5W.

The phone will simply revert to Qi BPP charging (5W) instead of their proprietary 7.5W charging protocol.
 
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iDrop has a good followup article. Here's the useful tidbits:

You should use a wireless charger that is Qi certified.
If your charger is BPP (Basic Power Profile) certified it should charge iPhones at 5 watts.
If your charger is EPP (Extended Power Profile) certified it should charge iPhones at 7.5 watts.
You can verify the certifications of your charger here:

Original article:
 
This really sucks.

Just bought a Nomad Dual Qi Charger for 130€ and now it will only work with 5w cause Nomad tried to save 10 Cents on the License ...
 
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