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I don’t think I could find a better example of being delusional.
What I think is delusional are those who don’t believe Apple got anything out of Vision Pro and have reached into the inner most sanctum of Apple and devined the product to be a flop.
Very few products in Apple’s history are more a flop than the Vision Pro is.
Out of curiosity what are those other very few products?
It’s so bad it only had a minor upgrade years later and it’s almost guaranteed to be discontinued altogether. If this is not a flop I don’t know what is.
My HomePod og is still going strong and getting updates. A flop also? Or a first cut at technology and a form factor that lead to something else?
 
no company lives forever. I think chinese companies are catching up fast. the old apple doesn't exist anymore.
Well Ford has been around a hundred or so years so there is that.
the 2025 apple has no clue what is doing.
Its active user base and financials say otherwise.
Vision Pro is the opposite of jobs vision: it's an expensive product and a niche for rich people. that's was never the intention for iPad and iPhone.
And all the products that sell with msrp above the Vision Pro? They are for rich people also?
 
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The Siri version to be released in iOS 26.4 is already being tested, and the testers are voicing concerns about that version. Sure, there’s still time to change things, but also not that much if there are fundamental issues with the current version.
But it must be said there's gro versions one with just apple models and one with Gemini built in so guessing it's the apple one which has concerns
 
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I don’t think I could find a better example of being delusional. Very few products in Apple’s history are more a flop than the Vision Pro is. It’s so bad it only had a minor upgrade years later and it’s almost guaranteed to be discontinued altogether. If this is not a flop I don’t know what is.
It's a great product just badly priced and it's only been put on the back burner to get the glasses out which will use vision OS btw.
 
Here I was hoping employees were worried because it was so good. Instead, employees are worried because it’s so awful. Great!
Most likely, random employees are “concerned” because they haven’t been privy to seeing it yet.

Personally, I don’t care. Chatbot is not the major function of Apple Intelligence, and the practical and useful features that it’s enabling in all sorts of applications that I use is the real story. While ChatGPT hooks into merchants so that OpenAI benefits both from making product recommendations that favor its advertisers, and from closing and fulfilling sales of products from those sellers, gathering data all along the way to help it maximize it and its partners’ revenue, Apple continues to lead the effort to build systems that keep you private and put your interests ahead of anyone else’s.
 
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What were they right about? The eye and hand tracking on the Vision Pro are incredible and the hardware quality is second to none. The software that drives it all works well. That plus the Apple Tax gives us a prohibitive price tag, but I doubt Apple expected a “hit” product with this. It’s a supercar of VR headsets.

Those ignored employees allegedly wanted to wait several years before releasing ANYTHING.

Sometimes, you just need to take that first step. Sure, we want something smaller, lighter, cheaper… but how do we get there? By taking the first step. That’s what Vision Pro is.



Thinking as Apple, you don’t see anything useful to be gleaned from a version 1.0? The first iPhone wasn’t perfect. They iterated and improved. The same will happen here.
Let's face it. VP shouldn't have been released. It was too early. The hardware was too heavy, and with the battery dongle, it looked like a development kit. There were no use cases for real professional work, and no use cases/content for regular use. It was a glorified streaming device with creepy eyes on the front, and Apple marketed it as an everyday device. Anyone who watched the keynote with the people using it in everyday life should have immediately guessed it would be a flop.

 
Oh boy..

Last time there were "concerns" leaking out, Apple*pushed out the Vision Pro flop.




*well, in reality, Tim Cook personally forced it out hoping for his own iPhone moment
Even back then Siri was a problem. Also I remember how nobody in management wore VP at events because they didn’t believe in that product.

"The first-generation headset is purportedly seen as a bridge to future products that require technological breakthroughs, but many employees are said to have worries about the device's $3,000 price point, utility, and unproven market. Skeptics have questioned if the device is "a solution in search of a problem," unlike the iPod and iPhone. The headset has apparently not been "driven by the same clarity" as Apple's other products. Some Apple employees have defected from the project due to doubts about its potential, while others have been fired over lack of progress with some of the device's functionality, including Siri. The discontent is said to extend to members of Apple's leadership, some of whom have questioned the device's prospects."
 
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User bases can shrink. Perfect example is Blackberry and Nokia. Both of these companies once had enormous user bases. Now they're in the dustbins of history. Apple should never take its large user base for granted or a guarantee of anything.
Sure and Ford and Gm could also go out of business and the earth could get hit with a huge meteor.

Point is there are lessons to be learned from those who went before and the standees hopefully learn some lessons. (Not specific to Apple)
 
how are you measuring a flop exactly?
Just asking is this a gotcha question
Regarding the AVP
I suppose it’s like Siri how can you tell that it’s not really that good
Or Apple Intelligence is amazing
And the reports that the new Siri is struggling is we know
 
User bases can shrink. Perfect example is Blackberry and Nokia. Both of these companies once had enormous user bases. Now they're in the dustbins of history. Apple should never take its large user base for granted or a guarantee of anything.
True but people have been saying apple is doomed for 10 years and it's been wrong every year

Al is obviously new and where Al doesn't matter is Gemini and chatGPT works well on iPhone certainly when you can map shortcut to Gemini now
 
Sure and Ford and Gm could also go out of business and the earth could get hit with a huge meteor.

Point is there are lessons to be learned from those who went before and the standees hopefully learn some lessons. (Not specific to Apple)
The only legitimately good lessons to be learned from Apple are the ones that came from its former (and deceased) visionary founder. Those after him are just Wall Street mouthpieces.
 
Apple has the opportunity to do the funniest thing if it’s delayed to iOS 27.

Apple needs to buy Anthropic which makes Claude (or something similar) although they may be valued too high at this point. And Zuck is just wasting them when it comes to buying up what little talent they do have. They’re really screwed when it comes to AI. Leadership is too old to understand the current landscape.
 
What I think is delusional are those who don’t believe Apple got anything out of Vision Pro and have reached into the inner most sanctum of Apple and devined the product to be a flop.

Out of curiosity what are those other very few products?

My HomePod og is still going strong and getting updates. A flop also? Or a first cut at technology and a form factor that lead to something else?
I never said Apple didn’t get anything out the Vision Pro. It got plenty of ridicule for example, and also a lot of distraction for the technology trends that actually matter (generative AI above all).

What are the worse flops? There are a few, but I suppose the ones that stand out the most are the social network Ping, the game console Pippin and the never released car which cost a fortune and didn’t even come to fruition.

The original HomePod is absolutely a flop, a terrible product with bad pricing which sold next to nothing. It wasn’t a first cut at a technology that led to something else, all that followed was the next HomePod which is even worse (they removed some components to slightly lower the price) and the HomePod mini which has none of the technology of the large HomePod and it’s just another smart speaker with mediocre sound quality like the ones from Amazon or Google.
 
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Apple Security Team found that a flaw in function execution can lead to privilege escalation across apps. With AI function integrations and tokenized permissions, inaudible audio injection becomes an attack vector. Whereas the original Siri sandbox restricted many critical functions, Apple Intelligence’s plan to expose photos, calendars, email, and other sensitive capabilities enlarges the attack surface, ultrasonic commands could effectively act as a covert control channel. A strict API scoping, hardware-backed token storage, and microphone/audio-path filtering and detection is need it, and that's what the fuss is all about.
 
I'm not concerned. I expect it to stink. I stopped using Siri a long time ago with maybe the exception of replying to text messages via CarPlay. Even then, most of the time it's an"Eat ups Martha" moment that requires me to correct Siri 3 times before Siri gets it close enough so as to not make the recipient of my message think I was angry at them, or lost my mind.
 
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