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this whole 5g is the biggest experiment on humanity. google 5g dangers. too bad noone will listen until its too late
5G runs on the exact same frequencies as LTE. It also can run on millimeter band which literally CANNOT penetrate your body. Where is the danger? The only thing you need to worry about is wattage, and that doesn’t come anywhere near dangerous in cellphones.
 
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Lol @ people crying about this. They explained what 5G E means. Sure its not real 5G, but is this really something for you guys to get worked up over? Relax.
They should call it LTE-A and not imply it is 5G.
 
I own several thousand shares of AT&T, and I'm going to be looking for an opportunity to sell them. Yet another company that thinks it's OK to distort the truth and misrepresent facts to the public/their customers to make a profit. In other words, another bullsh*t big business with no integrity. If we accept bad behavior, we'll get it in spades.
And it took you… what… like 50 years to figure that out?
 
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What is the oldest iPhone that supports the fake 5G as opposed to "regular 4G LTE"?

Only the XS, the only iPhone at the moment with 4x4 Antenna.
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They should call it LTE-A and not imply it is 5G.

Because there is a clearly defined LTE-A Spec, which is 3GPP Rel 12. What AT&T is doing here are 3GPP Rel 14, What is called 4.9G / Pre 5G or LTE-A Pro.
 
Lol @ people crying about this. They explained what 5G E means. Sure its not real 5G, but is this really something for you guys to get worked up over? Relax.

cannot agree with you more.
Some of them are nervous if they get free Taco tomorrow LOL
It's nothing earth shattering or anything, but it's mislabeling of things for marketing purposes that then messes up the actual labeling and understanding of the real things. It messes things up when people compare details or refer to them by name and can mean different things.
 
Lol @ people crying about this. They explained what 5G E means. Sure its not real 5G, but is this really something for you guys to get worked up over? Relax.

This. Let's be fair this time they didn't name it 5G like they did in 4G's days. 5G E is what previously called Pre 5G. And unlike the HSPA+ 3.9G, 5G E actually brings quite a few benefits to the network, much more so than HSPA to HSPA+.
You can pretty much guarantee all the 5G E Cell tower are capable of Stage 1 5G with Software upgrade, not the same as the HSPA to LTE era as it requires new Hardware.
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Bamboozlers.

I'm still waiting for LTE-LAA to be launched in Las Vegas. Does anyone who has LTE-LAA coverage get actual triple-digit speeds? I'm in a "5G E" market and I just got 70.7 Mbps which is the fastest I've ever seen myself. I was going to slam their speeds until I just tested it and now I guess I can't really complain too much. Lol

It depends. I mean there are many places on earth where people could get triple digit LTE speed even without 5G E / LTE-A Pro / 3GPP Rel 13/14 ( Which includes LAA ). One of the reply above were showing ~170Mbps on LTE Network. My highest record was ~750Mbps on a new Galaxy. Highest on iPhone XS was only ~500Mbps. Still, you don't really need that much speed anyway.
 
The UK and EU have many faults, but I can't imagine this level of deception being allowed at all over here. It would be shut down instantly.
 
T-Mobile did the same thing with their HSPA+ network.
If I recall correctly, T-Mobile started the whole Faux G crap.
If need to go back and look it up but I’m almost positive AT&T branded HSPA+ 21Mbps as 4G several months before T-Mobile did the same with its HSPA+ 42Mbps network.
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What is the oldest iPhone that supports the fake 5G as opposed to "regular 4G LTE"?
The XS and XS Max.

I know the XS devices have 4x4 MIMO.

The X/8/8+/XR are 2x2.
 



Some AT&T users who have installed the new iOS 12.2 beta are noticing their iPhones displaying a '5G E' connection to AT&T's network, which is AT&T's misleading name for an "upgraded" version of 4G LTE.

AT&T began rolling out its fake 5G icon to Android smartphones in early January, and it now appears the change is extending to the iPhone.

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Image via the MacRumors forums
Devices in certain areas are displaying a "5G E" icon instead of LTE, but as the "E" suggests, this is not real 5G. No iPhone that exists right now is capable of connecting to a 5G network, nor is AT&T's network 5G at this time.

The "E" stands for Evolution, a new brand name AT&T is using for some parts of its LTE network. According to AT&T, 5G Evolution reaches a peak theoretical wireless speed of 400Mb/s, which does not match 5G data transfer speeds and is in fact the same as traditional LTE speeds.

AT&T claims that 5G Evolution is the "first step on the road to 5G," bringing improvements to already-existing LTE networks. Technically, 5G Evolution uses technologies already employed by other carriers.According to AT&T, its "5G Evolution" network is live in more than 400 markets, with more to come. Other carriers, such as T-Mobile, have made fun of AT&T for its misleading branding.


True 5G smartphones won't be coming until later in 2019, and rumors suggest Apple will not introduce 5G support until 2020 at the earliest.

Update: AT&T has provided the following statement to MacRumors on the new icon in iOS 12.2 beta 2: "Today, some iPhone and iPad users could start seeing our 5G Evolution indicator on their devices. The indicator simply helps customers know when they are in an area where the 5G Evolution experience may be available."

Article Link: Some AT&T iPhones Displaying Misleading '5G E' Icon in iOS 12.2 Beta 2 [Updated]



Some AT&T users who have installed the new iOS 12.2 beta are noticing their iPhones displaying a '5G E' connection to AT&T's network, which is AT&T's misleading name for an "upgraded" version of 4G LTE.

AT&T began rolling out its fake 5G icon to Android smartphones in early January, and it now appears the change is extending to the iPhone.

5giconattios122-800x209.jpg

Image via the MacRumors forums
Devices in certain areas are displaying a "5G E" icon instead of LTE, but as the "E" suggests, this is not real 5G. No iPhone that exists right now is capable of connecting to a 5G network, nor is AT&T's network 5G at this time.

The "E" stands for Evolution, a new brand name AT&T is using for some parts of its LTE network. According to AT&T, 5G Evolution reaches a peak theoretical wireless speed of 400Mb/s, which does not match 5G data transfer speeds and is in fact the same as traditional LTE speeds.

AT&T claims that 5G Evolution is the "first step on the road to 5G," bringing improvements to already-existing LTE networks. Technically, 5G Evolution uses technologies already employed by other carriers.According to AT&T, its "5G Evolution" network is live in more than 400 markets, with more to come. Other carriers, such as T-Mobile, have made fun of AT&T for its misleading branding.


True 5G smartphones won't be coming until later in 2019, and rumors suggest Apple will not introduce 5G support until 2020 at the earliest.

Update: AT&T has provided the following statement to MacRumors on the new icon in iOS 12.2 beta 2: "Today, some iPhone and iPad users could start seeing our 5G Evolution indicator on their devices. The indicator simply helps customers know when they are in an area where the 5G Evolution experience may be available."

Article Link: Some AT&T iPhones Displaying Misleading '5G E' Icon in iOS 12.2 Beta 2 [Updated]
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Give AT&T a break! They are a major industry leading company that won't deliberately tell lies to their clients or the nation.

:rolleyes:
 
It drives me crazy that they're allowed to get away with this nonsense. It's AT&T's fault that we have to call it "LTE" instead of "4G" in the first place when they pulled this same BS years ago.
 
Companies have no idea how much goodwill they lose with stuff like this. I was considering switching to AT&T from Verizon and the only message that this sends to me is that AT&T is a shady company that's willing to mislead its customers.
 
And it took you… what… like 50 years to figure that out?
AT&T might be good for the shareholders but they are hands down the worst consumer company. If it was not for T-mobile, AT&T would be charging $200 per month for single line and allow you to use only 5 GB of data at a speed of 2 MBPS. International roaming - don't even think about it, it might cost you a limb!
 
Lol @ people crying about this. They explained what 5G E means. Sure its not real 5G, but is this really something for you guys to get worked up over? Relax.

A major corporation lies blatantly to the country, then gives a lame PR BS explanation. We are supposed to relax and let them 'splain it away.

Public figures are not supposed to be able to get away with such nonsense.

Nothing to be relaxed about - 5G is a major step. It will not be universally available in the USA even in another five years; the infrastructure is too expensive.
 
If they want customers to know they are on a different network setup why not call it what it is, 4G E. It is another evolution of their 4G network. Hey AT&T, see how easy it is to be honest and still do what you want...
 
The icons are provided by the carrier bundle, which is provided by the carrier to Apple (though certainly with some level of collaboration, probably in the form of an SDK that Apple provides to the carrier).

You've probably occasionally seen a "carrier update" separate from iOS updates - that's the carrier bundle that is being updated (new iOS versions ship with new bundles as well).

Back in the earlier iOS modification days, you could even change the icons and strings by creating your own carrier bundle and installing with iTunes (no jailbreak required). Those days are over though as carrier bundles are just as much signed and secured as iOS now. If you had a jailbroken device, you certainly could edit the icons and more.
Ha! I'd forgotten we did that. I changed mine to the old rainbow Apple icon.

Good times.
 
The E stands for “Eeeeet's not so ready!”, spoken with a vaguely Italian accent.
 
What is the oldest iPhone that supports the fake 5G as opposed to "regular 4G LTE"?

edit: XS and XS Max, according to posters.

Very interesting. My son’s GS8 is already getting the indicator whereas my newer X cannot. I can already see a proper 5G iPhone being at least 2 years away...
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I'm surprised Apple is letting AT&T roll with this marketing on iPhones. I'm more forgiving that HSPA+ was labeled as 4G by T-Mobile and AT&T, because officially HSPA+ got classified as 4G, and it was much faster than the 3G Verizon and Sprint were offering.

Why? This helps Apple just as much to give their 2018 phone designs more relevance and reason to buy.
 
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