Some Bands Say No to iTunes

The bands listed are crap anyway

Well, Metallica's hayday was the late 80's and early 90's, Green Day had minor success among the skater crowd until dookie, Linkin Park's songs all sound the exact same, but have uber-digital videos. The Chili Peppers were cool until "What Hits" came out. Screw those bands, I could understand if their reason was "we are ignorant of puters, so we stay away" but I know better. These bands would probably like to enforce licenses on their music where you pay each time you listen to it. Creative reasons is a bad excuse for these guys, they haven't been creative, well ever really. For instance in regards to Metallica, they were at one time, long ago "creative" like with pre-black album stuff. They chose sometime to sound like every other run of the mill band, like linkin park. Rock music has a definate pattern there will be a HUGELY innovative band with something new, and then for the next 10-15 years all that comes out is the backwash of said band. A good example is Nirvana, nowadays you turn on the radio and you have to ask "I thought he was dead". Rock has become the boom-boom chick type of stuff that can be mastered in a matter of days. I have seen more of crappy bands hitting it nicely with MTV and then disappearing, and on the other hand you have bands you wish would disappear like Bon-Jovi. And for clarification, yes I can play most of the songs those bands have made on guitar, and probably sing them too in the same way, the kicker is I am a jazz drummer who has picked up a guitar a few times. I suppose the .music bubble has bursted and the record co's are realizing people don't like "extreme" "garbage" music. I guess they'll have to "WINGER" it until the next "BEATLES" come again like they did with NKOTB, NSYNC, BSB, and "american idol". Until then I have my "dead can dance" and old "frank black" tunes.
 
Re: Who cares?

Originally posted by RHutch
Those bands lost the money that I was willing to give them. There's no way that I would buy entire albums by them. But I would buy a few songs. If they don't want my money, fine.

"creative concerns" = greed
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These bands, particularly Metallica, are absolutely ignorant to the power of the internet and p2p networks... For me, downloading songs is a gateway to being a fan and giving the band (actually more the record label) more money. To these bands I say this - give honest people a chance to PAY for your downloads, 'cause you aren't going to be able to stop technology. Piss people off, and they'll at the very least consider using p2p, at the worst, not buying your crap no matter what because you've shown contempt for your own fanbase...
This sort of thing has happened all through history - with cassette (you can copy and distrubute music without paying for it), with CD (full digital copies of music to be pirated), with DVD (digital copies of movies to be pirated)... Whatever!:rolleyes:
 
Re: Re: THIS IS SUCH A LOAD OF CRAP!!

Originally posted by Pablo
It's funny how Metallica just wanted to be heard when they were a garage/small bar band and encouraged bootlegging and swapping of their tapes, but now that they've reached a certain level of popularity, shun those same fans who made them what they were.
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Actually Metallica actively supports audio and video boot legging of their live sh*t. In their forums and the Fan mag they have buy/sell/trade sections for boot leggers.


job
I don't think any of these bands owe anyone anything and thus are free to do what they want with their 'creative endeavors.'

That being said, I personally find the decision asinine and retro-active. Their loss.
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Not to sound like an ass but I think you need to look up the meaning of "retro-active." ;)

I'm sensing some conflicting gripes going on here. Some people people are calling the bands greedy for not joining iTMS and then later calling them stupid because iTMS would be a great way for them (the band) to make more money... :confused: So they are greedy for "sticking to" CDs, which many people here think will hurt their sales, but joining iTMS, which many people here think will boost a bands income, isn't greedy...?


Lethal
 
Re: Who cares?

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Don't you know they already do?!?! At least the older one that's in school already. Out of concern for the kids' privacy I won't mention the name of the school, but my kid almost went there and I guarantee you they all use Macs!! That may change with the huge donations this year for new construction, but I have to say I laugh whenever I think about it. :p

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you are missing the point

i love macrumors. i love the forums. i love the discussions, so please don't flame me too bad with this response.

after reading the front page of this thread, it is blatantly obvious that probably 95% of you are not musical artists nor understand some basic concepts in this story.

metallica, rhcp, foo fighters, green day aren't being "bitches" to make more money. in case anyone hasn't noticed, they all have more money than GOD, which is why their qualms with kazaa and their own demands in the distribution of their music are the most clear-sighted than any. i.e. linkin park was a nobody band who got heard by an a&r guy who took a chance where no one would. if anyone should be open in the distribution of their music it would be them but they don't. instead of trying to understand why, you make them out to be money hungry snobs. i won't blame you though, jealousy and misunderstanding are very difficult to distinguish.

for some groups, an album isn't just a bunch of songs thrown together. rather it is a journey from beginning to end, with low points and high points and mood swings, just like human emotion (this is why everclear gets very old very quickly, cause you get tired of hearing G-C-E all the time). now, they choose to have the music sold in album format. if they were only looking to make the most money, they'd throw their music up on every service however the most people wanted it done (singles, albums, etc.). they have the ability to make that decision because they are already successful. so when you whine at them and say "well, you aren't getting my $.99," they couldn't really give a sh*t. if you want to call them sell outs, go ahead. metallica will sell out, rhcp will sell out . . . any venue, anywhere in the world.

singles are great. with all the usual crap on the radio, it's nice to know that those albums full of filler can be avoided. but if you like a band enough or you want to take the journey they intended you the listener to take, then don't be a whiny nancy and buy the CD. the truth is no one but the artist should decide how their music should be distributed. notice how this came from q prime, a major player management co. if this were really about money, this statement would come straight from elektra or sony music or their label/big 5 distributor. if i'm lucky to put out my own CD, i would like to be in their position and release my own music however i want to.
 
Metallica I can understand. They have turned into the RIAA's corp whore and who’s music I will NEVER buy again even if they did sell individual songs for 5 cents a piece. But the others? I'm sick of individual artists and music companies with their head so far up their butts. When are these idiots going to realize that the theft of their music will continue until a cheap alternative to CD's is found and selling whole albums ain't going to cut it.
On a side note expect some serious backlash from customers after this latest round of going after individuals. Theft or not this is going to be seen as nothing short of taking it out on the little guy while the big time counterfeit pirates are still out there. I didn't think it was physically possible for the RIAA's image to get further smeared in the mud but somehow they did it.
 
Re: What about radio?

Originally posted by moby1
Why don't they have the "artistic integrity" to tell us the real reason; they're holding out for more money.
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Why don't they just admit most of their songs are crap? :rolleyes:
 
Oh don't get how you can say these bands are greedy for doing this and then in the same post say they won't be getting as much money without going on iTMS
 
Lovesexy

I guess that explains why Prince doesn't have "Lovesexy" available at iTMS. It's a one-track CD with like 8 songs. Definately a concept album. Prince does pretty much all concept albums, its just that The Artist is the only one who understands the concept.

Everybody, everybody knows, when love calls, you got to go.
 
But there ALREADY are ...

"album only" items in the music store !

Check out "The Damned Don't Cry" by
John Coltrane .... album only.

I am really offended by any artist who feels that coercion is the best way to promote their work.

This phoney excuse for gouging teenagers out of their lunch money is precisely what helps me to rationalize p2p downloading.

I am old enough to remember that the best way to clear a house of party animals, when it was time to crash, was to up-end the stack of 45's on the adaptor spindle and play all the flip sides :)

The garbage that came out of those record players would clear buzzards off of a poop wagon !

We are being decoyed away from the realization that even 99 cents is way too much to pay. Given the extirpation of the parasitic label hogs and all the overhead, we are still paying the same PER SONG as if vinyl were being shipped to our front doors !

Apple ought to double the previous 4 cents per song to the artist, and then give US a good slice of the savings.

Labels need to go. Find honest work.

Price : $0.25 per song would be generous.

Apple isn't helping us. They are merely refraining from screwing us as much as the labels would. Thank gawd for little mercies.

I'd like to call for a boycott of any phoney baloney artists who can't trust/respect their fans judgement and freedom in the marketplace. They may think that everything emmanating from their chute is golden ambrosia. But it is
commonplace that the best artists in all media produce a great deal of garbage along with their masterpieces.

Set it down guys ! The ego has landed.

---gooddog
 
Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by herocero
i love macrumors. i love the forums. i love the discussions, so please don't flame me too bad with this response.

after reading the front page of this thread, it is blatantly obvious that probably 95% of you are not musical artists nor understand some basic concepts in this story.

metallica, rhcp, foo fighters, green day aren't being "bitches" to make more money. in case anyone hasn't noticed, they all have more money than GOD, which is why their qualms with kazaa and their own demands in the distribution of their music are the most clear-sighted than any. i.e. linkin park was a nobody band who got heard by an a&r guy who took a chance where no one would. if anyone should be open in the distribution of their music it would be them but they don't. instead of trying to understand why, you make them out to be money hungry snobs. i won't blame you though, jealousy and misunderstanding are very difficult to distinguish.

for some groups, an album isn't just a bunch of songs thrown together. rather it is a journey from beginning to end, with low points and high points and mood swings, just like human emotion (this is why everclear gets very old very quickly, cause you get tired of hearing G-C-E all the time). now, they choose to have the music sold in album format. if they were only looking to make the most money, they'd throw their music up on every service however the most people wanted it done (singles, albums, etc.). they have the ability to make that decision because they are already successful. so when you whine at them and say "well, you aren't getting my $.99," they couldn't really give a sh*t. if you want to call them sell outs, go ahead. metallica will sell out, rhcp will sell out . . . any venue, anywhere in the world.

singles are great. with all the usual crap on the radio, it's nice to know that those albums full of filler can be avoided. but if you like a band enough or you want to take the journey they intended you the listener to take, then don't be a whiny nancy and buy the CD. the truth is no one but the artist should decide how their music should be distributed. notice how this came from q prime, a major player management co. if this were really about money, this statement would come straight from elektra or sony music or their label/big 5 distributor. if i'm lucky to put out my own CD, i would like to be in their position and release my own music however i want to.
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Fine comment, slick. However its besides the point. Fact is *I* only like one song on that damn album and don't give a rats ass about the rest, journey or not. The problem is that either those people are greedy or even worse they think they are something like Monet or van Gogh when they are not. And besides that, I am not required to buy an entire collection when I like *one* painting Monet or any other painter did. With music it is the same way. You want *my* money for your work then let it be *my* decision what I want and what not. Who pays the bill is the boss, thats what they say in my country. If artists don't like it, find a different profession. This whole thing about "creative concern" pisses me off as much as listening to that dumb-ass architect that designed my house using *my* money who gave me a big bunch of artist-pride bull**** when I wanted the design changed in certain aspects that I believed I'd prefer in *my* house! I am willing to give you *money* for your work so you can live, so stop bitching about how I want it and what I do with it!

Ahmed
 
Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by herocero
so when you whine at them and say "well, you aren't getting my $.99," they couldn't really give a sh*t.
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Really? So they don't care? OK then, give us the music for free. Where were you when Metallica jumped on Napster? Was that for artistic reasons too?
 
Originally posted by macman13
im am just expressing my opinions about them. and the reason why i only have 2 posts is becsause i just joined
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iJon is right. Everyone likes to loudly express their opinions on music, expecially to bash what others like. Control yourself. The quality of some band's music is completely OT.
 
Re: Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
The problem is that either those people are greedy or even worse they think they are something like Monet or van Gogh when they are not.
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LOL. Good way of putting it.

As has been mentioned before, the track-select button on any CD player completely invalidates all of this artistic nonsense.
 
Re: Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
Fine comment, slick. However its besides the point. Fact is *I* only like one song on that damn album and don't give a rats ass about the rest, journey or not. The problem is that either those people are greedy or even worse they think they are something like Monet or van Gogh when they are not. And besides that, I am not required to buy an entire collection when I like *one* painting Monet or any other painter did. With music it is the same way. You want *my* money for your work then let it be *my* decision what I want and what not. Who pays the bill is the boss, thats what they say in my country. If artists don't like it, find a different profession. This whole thing about "creative concern" pisses me off as much as listening to that dumb-ass architect that designed my house using *my* money who gave me a big bunch of artist-pride bull**** when I wanted the design changed in certain aspects that I believed I'd prefer in *my* house! I am willing to give you *money* for your work so you can live, so stop bitching about how I want it and what I do with it!

Ahmed
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I think You got it wrong. You didn't pay these musicians to do something for you specifically. Artists create art and people who like the art buy it. That's it. If you don't like it don't buy it. In art, the artist is boss. That's it. Like it or not.

Maybe it's artist's attitudes that cause these kind of violent reactions, but well... I don't think they serve any purpose.

If you want your music specially made for you, I'm sure you can pay someone to do exactly what you want, or you can do it yourself (which in the end, is what more and more people are doing :) )

EDIT: I just want to add something about singles. The artists release the singles that they want, and some don't want to lose this power and have all of their tracks as selling as singles. It is clear, that for whatever reasons (monetary or artistical) they want us to buy the albums... we choose whether to do it or not.

Also, on behalve of the artists: If you think of an album as a whole, you can compare it with a book or a movie... Let's start selling individual chapters too!!! :) Now. I'm not going to get into the discussion of what albums are worth listening all the way through, or can be seen as whole art pieces. This is up to each of us.
 
The Artist is Boss - hahahahaha

In art, the artist is boss. That's it. Like it or not.

Are you out of your mind, or just deluded by your own choice of profession? Your boss is the one that pays you. Even if you don't subscribe to that simple definition that applies to 99% of the world, at the MOST, an artist could maybe be their own boss - if they're truly independent, and don't mind starving for their "art".

That's certainly not a definition applicable to Metallica, being the corporate whores that they've evolved into. Their record company is most definitely their boss, and the people that buy their music are their bosses in an indirect way. When they decided to start making more mainstream music in 1991, they got a raise. They now have so much money and are so out of touch with reality that they don't understand the downloads will NEVER stop - and if they don't offer singles online for pay, people will just continue to download them for free. Like me.

They don't want to contribute to the death of the album format? Wrong strategy, boys. They could make their album available online along with the singles and some people would buy the album. They're making nothing available, so what will people do? You ever try to download an entire album via Limewire or Kazaa? Way too much effort. People will keep downloading Metallica singles, and "artists" are kidding themselves if they think the RIAA is EVER going to be able to put that genie back in the bottle.
 
what do they think, that they will make an album like the dark side of the moon????

As far as i am concerned, metallica can kill themselves and then they will do some good to the listener


after the black album , they just plain suck
 
Re: Re: Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by maka
......That's it. If you don't like it don't buy it. In art, the artist is boss. That's it. Like it or not.........
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I agree with you. I doubt if da vinci is willing to accept $0.99 for Mona Lisa's lips only.

For the others, don't sound like Frantic, or that you bur(ST) Anger towards these bands that they are Some Kind of Monster or a Dirty Window. Though I am an Invicible Kid to them, but in My World, it doesn't matter whether they are part of ITMS, it is All Within My Hands whether to buy their CDs or thru ITMS. My choice.
 
not a chance

Originally posted by Potus
IMO, that's what concerts are for: to listen to the music in the way the musicians want us to listen to it. Metallica fought and destroyed Napster, now they're aiming at iTunes. I think they will lose this battle and the opportunity to sell more music.
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Napster was run by college kids. Metallica knew they could win that battle.

Try butting heads with Steve. Please. Steve is more of a celebrity than Lars and the gang from Metallica will ever be. :cool:

I want to watch Apple eat them for lunch.
 
Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by herocero
i love macrumors. i love the forums. i love the discussions, so please don't flame me too bad with this response.

after reading the front page of this thread, it is blatantly obvious that probably 95% of you are not musical artists nor understand some basic concepts in this story.

metallica, rhcp, foo fighters, green day aren't being "bitches" to make more money. in case anyone hasn't noticed, they all have more money than GOD, which is why their qualms with kazaa and their own demands in the distribution of their music are the most clear-sighted than any. i.e. linkin park was a nobody band who got heard by an a&r guy who took a chance where no one would. if anyone should be open in the distribution of their music it would be them but they don't. instead of trying to understand why, you make them out to be money hungry snobs. i won't blame you though, jealousy and misunderstanding are very difficult to distinguish.

for some groups, an album isn't just a bunch of songs thrown together. rather it is a journey from beginning to end, with low points and high points and mood swings, just like human emotion (this is why everclear gets very old very quickly, cause you get tired of hearing G-C-E all the time). now, they choose to have the music sold in album format. if they were only looking to make the most money, they'd throw their music up on every service however the most people wanted it done (singles, albums, etc.). they have the ability to make that decision because they are already successful. so when you whine at them and say "well, you aren't getting my $.99," they couldn't really give a sh*t. if you want to call them sell outs, go ahead. metallica will sell out, rhcp will sell out . . . any venue, anywhere in the world.

singles are great. with all the usual crap on the radio, it's nice to know that those albums full of filler can be avoided. but if you like a band enough or you want to take the journey they intended you the listener to take, then don't be a whiny nancy and buy the CD. the truth is no one but the artist should decide how their music should be distributed. notice how this came from q prime, a major player management co. if this were really about money, this statement would come straight from elektra or sony music or their label/big 5 distributor. if i'm lucky to put out my own CD, i would like to be in their position and release my own music however i want to.
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I understand your artistic point of view,but then why not just require albums t be downloaded as a whole. There are several on the website like that. I believe this is a stand again by Metalica against downloadable music. For the simple fact of money. Now this might be one band and the managment forcing the other artists to support them, but whatever it is a pointless stand against the inevitablity of the electronic media for music. I too am in a band, but I can see that with the advent of the electronic media compromises would have to be reached so that artists and the consumer are not screwed. I think apple has reached a wonderful compromise (albeit only for Apple users right now) and I think these bands need to take a hard look at what is going on around them
 
Originally posted by macmax
what do they think, that they will make an album like the dark side of the moon????

As far as i am concerned, metallica can kill themselves and then they will do some good to the listener


after the black album , they just plain suck
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I would have to agree with that, but again even if they haven't released an album that you deem listenable as a whole doesn't mean they don't think they have
 
Re: Re: Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by maka
.. Let's start selling individual chapters too!!! :)
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This idea has already been breached by Stephen King sorry
 
Re: Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by soggywulf
Really? So they don't care? OK then, give us the music for free. Where were you when Metallica jumped on Napster? Was that for artistic reasons too?
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Yes I agree with you and when Metalica did there first video it wasfor expression in a new medium (that could make them lots of money). Here's a chance to express themselves in a new media and they don't want to do it oh could it be because they don't make a lot of money from it hmmmmmmmmmmmm:confused:
 
Re: you are missing the point

Originally posted by herocero
i love macrumors. i love the forums. i love the discussions, so please don't flame me too bad with this response.

after reading the front page of this thread, it is blatantly obvious that probably 95% of you are not musical artists nor understand some basic concepts in this story.
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I read you whole post. Hear me out...

Music can be art, but recorded music is also almost always product. I don't understand the reasoning of these bands. Greenday has put out a greatest-hits cd, which I own, and you would have a hard time finding any "theme" or "journey" on any of their CDs. Same with the RHCP. Same with Madonna.

Maybe some of them do have actual creative concerns, but I doubt that is the real reason.

Look, you make music. I make music. I'm sure we both would be thrilled for anyone to want to listen to what either of us made so much that they would be willing to pay $.99 to listen to it. That is someones hard earned dollar, and they choose to spend on my song instead of buying a Big Mac. How cool would that be!?

I think some of these artists need to get thieir egos in check. Just because they play in a band and make music dosen't make them any more important or special then anyone else. They need to remember that their music is product. It may come from a creative place, but once they put it out there, it is product.

Lastly, I wouldn't buy a CD by any of those people (except the greeddays greatest hits I mentioned earlier), but I would buy individual tracks (like Crawling by Linkin Park). So they have a choice... Either some money from me, or NO money from me. i will spend my money on a BigMac.
 
Re: But there ALREADY are ...

Originally posted by gooddog

I'd like to call for a boycott of any phoney baloney artists who can't trust/respect their fans judgement and freedom in the marketplace. They may think that everything emmanating from their chute is golden ambrosia. But it is
commonplace that the best artists in all media produce a great deal of garbage along with their masterpieces.
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I agree if you don't like their music or the band don't buy their stuff! And the down fall of the artistic part of the music industry has been THE LABELS and MANAGEMENT teams. Rush put it best when they sang "glittering prizes and endless compromises have shattered the illusion of integrity "
 
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