@lethal I agree, but when you do native audio mixing with plugins you need a fast machine and it's possible to build one without sacrificing stability. I remember when I did my first recording with my band 3 years or so ago...It was horrible, crashing every 40 minutes or so, it did't always record audio even if it said so and it was slow. A Pentium II with 300MHz and windows 95. At that time I would never have imagined that I'm sitting here 3 years later with a machine where I can run tons of plugins and do all the stuff without the machine being crashing or behaving strangely...I've built many computer for me and for others through the years blue screens and freezes were always normal and something you have to live with, but the last generation of pentium 4 machines with windows xp have amazed me with their speed and stability
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PCs are faster. PCs are cheaper. WINDOWS is less stable than OSX. PCs have good library of viruses. PCs often sell junk t people. SOFTWARE PIRACY is business on PCs.
Billy is greedy. WINDOWS looks like crap.
Those are my opinions. They are beased on my experience. I have a PC and a Mac. I worked with PCs for 10 years and this is my second Mac. So there....
Now explain the point of your thread? You wanted to show that we have Mac Zealots here? Sure we do. You might wanna visit athlonzone and see how many PC zealots hang out there. This site is more or less fair and balanced. Something you can't say about PC sites.
PCs are faster. PCs are cheaper. WINDOWS is less stable than OSX. PCs have good library of viruses. PCs often sell junk t people. SOFTWARE PIRACY is business on PCs.
Billy is greedy. WINDOWS looks like crap.
Those are my opinions. They are beased on my experience. I have a PC and a Mac. I worked with PCs for 10 years and this is my second Mac. So there....
Now explain the point of your thread? You wanted to show that we have Mac Zealots here? Sure we do. You might wanna visit athlonzone and see how many PC zealots hang out there. This site is more or less fair and balanced. Something you can't say about PC sites.
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TWO WORDS: WHY BOTHER!
After all its still windows...why polish a turd?
Originally posted by leet1
One word: Themes
TWO WORDS: WHY BOTHER!
After all its still windows...why polish a turd?
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checkmate
well played.
Originally posted by leet1
To you maybe
checkmate
well played.
the athlon-maniacs yes... they are quite the same as those mac-fanatics. I could name several reasons, why I would not recomment amd athlons (don't know about the new opteron and fx series)... these guys still live off from the day, when intels p4 hab performance problems and the thunderbird was crushing the p4 in price and performance...but those days are long ago... and once again windows xp is stable. It won't be stable with crappy hardware and drivers, but if you use branded stuff it is stable. I don't really like microsoft but I must admit that xp ist first stable AND userfriendly os they made. if you dont like the look, you can customize it and make it even look like mac os x or even system 7 if you want to
...by the way I always thought that bill gates is greedy, but yesterday I read in a magazine that he actually spends twenty-somthing billion $ for charitable donations...that acutally surprised me...
they are quite the same as those mac-fanatics. I could name several reasons, why I would not recomment amd athlons (don't know about the new opteron and fx series)... these guys still live off from the day, when intels p4 hab performance problems and the thunderbird was crushing the p4 in price and performance...but those days are long ago... and once again windows xp is stable. It won't be stable with crappy hardware and drivers, but if you use branded stuff it is stable. I don't really like microsoft but I must admit that xp ist first stable AND userfriendly os they made. if you dont like the look, you can customize it and make it even look like mac os x or even system 7 if you want to ...by the way I always thought that bill gates is greedy, but yesterday I read in a magazine that he actually spends twenty-somthing billion $ for charitable donations...that acutally surprised me...
This is the kind of rational PC / Mac opinion you don't hear very often. After using XP at work, I can see how the stability issues are an urban myth these days, I can also see that there's a lot of wasted space in XP and I still prefer OS 9 to any current OS as far as interface is concerned.
A friend on mine who's very into bashing macs because he uses a PC at work in a design firm took great delight in pointing out that his PC at work wipes the floor with the 1.8GHz G5 the mac guys have just upgraded to. Absolutely crushes it at running indesign, the redraws are a joke in comparison with the PC.
The old bandwidth argument when P4 vs G4 comparisons showed how dog slow the mac is at most things these days doesn't work when the G5s got 6.4Gb/s of bandwidth!!
What surprised me was that after asking how the PC was configured, it cost over £4000, had dual 3Ghz Xeons, Gbs of RAM and 15,000 RPM Raid drives. If it didn't smoke the G5 it would be as good as a door stop.
It's odd when PC people bash the mac when the comparison is so slanted. It would be like comparing a 2GHz Athlon to a dual 2GHz G5, not fair and not relevant.
A friend on mine who's very into bashing macs because he uses a PC at work in a design firm took great delight in pointing out that his PC at work wipes the floor with the 1.8GHz G5 the mac guys have just upgraded to. Absolutely crushes it at running indesign, the redraws are a joke in comparison with the PC.
The old bandwidth argument when P4 vs G4 comparisons showed how dog slow the mac is at most things these days doesn't work when the G5s got 6.4Gb/s of bandwidth!!
What surprised me was that after asking how the PC was configured, it cost over £4000, had dual 3Ghz Xeons, Gbs of RAM and 15,000 RPM Raid drives. If it didn't smoke the G5 it would be as good as a door stop.
It's odd when PC people bash the mac when the comparison is so slanted. It would be like comparing a 2GHz Athlon to a dual 2GHz G5, not fair and not relevant.
Originally posted by leet1
Actually right now with the opteron, that comparison would be fair
-leet1
Not against a dual2 G5.
I have a 1.8 ghz gateway running xp that is the fastest thing I have ever seen. Everything loads up in a blink of an eye. It is really quite impressive...which is why I am afraid to load any of my programs back on. Just wiped the hd and reinstalled. Once I start I am just on my way to wiping the hd again. God I love my pc.
I'm coming up to my one year anniversary with Apple and really enjoy it.
Reinstalling hd on pc = chore
Reinstalling hd on mac = fun
I'm coming up to my one year anniversary with Apple and really enjoy it.
Reinstalling hd on pc = chore
Reinstalling hd on mac = fun
if you think wiping harddrives are fun - try doing parallel installations of xp. let some of the system files get misplaced/corrupted and your looking at some hard time in front of that box. xp may be faster then os x. but it is still garbage.
The reason why Windows is crap is because of the maintaining aspect.
I can do it, leet1 can do it, and so can probably anyone else that's found this site. However, I knew a girl that was stuck in 16 color 640x480 because she didn't know what a "graphics driver" was. She spent about 3 months that way.
PCs are the better option for families that have someone that can fix things without taking them in to Best Buy when certain dlls go missing. They're cheap. But Macs are for people that just need something that works. Why do familes without PC knowledge get PCs instead of macs? Because the geek at the store is too busy trying to push the 3.2 ghz P4 they'll need to check they're e-mail on a dialup connection, and because most PCs stores don't sell Macs and they'd rather sell them something they don't need from their store instead of telling them to go to an Apple reseller.
I wonder how many households would benefit from having a eMac instead of a PC?
Realistically I think 50% of the population would benefit from Macs and 50% from a PC.
I can do it, leet1 can do it, and so can probably anyone else that's found this site. However, I knew a girl that was stuck in 16 color 640x480 because she didn't know what a "graphics driver" was. She spent about 3 months that way.
PCs are the better option for families that have someone that can fix things without taking them in to Best Buy when certain dlls go missing. They're cheap. But Macs are for people that just need something that works. Why do familes without PC knowledge get PCs instead of macs? Because the geek at the store is too busy trying to push the 3.2 ghz P4 they'll need to check they're e-mail on a dialup connection, and because most PCs stores don't sell Macs and they'd rather sell them something they don't need from their store instead of telling them to go to an Apple reseller.
I wonder how many households would benefit from having a eMac instead of a PC?
Realistically I think 50% of the population would benefit from Macs and 50% from a PC.
I agree with this. I had a 1.3 Ghz Dell desktop at home and for two years kept it running beautifully with win2k. Two weeks before I left for college, it got nailed with the Welchia worm. I wiped everything clean, from the bios to the hard drive, updated to SP3, go the security patches, and installed a simple firewall. For the first month I was getting a call every other day about something going wrong with the computer. I finally gave up and paid a friend to go over 3 times and get it running.
All my family needs a computer for its email, word, and instant messenger. Really the only one in the family who needs the extra power and compatibility of a PC, is me, and I'm the only one on a mac.
Originally posted by leet1
Dual opteron against dual G5 it is. I posted the benchmarks somewhere on here, it was pretty much even/close on everything
-leet1
Ah, yes, in that context you are quite correct. I didn't read you were talking about a dual Opteron there.
Ugh, I need to save up some money and buy may parents a Mac... I hate everytime I go home I have to "maintain" the family PC. When the PC was mine it ran flawlessly. True I did spend every Saturday maintaining it but still. About 2 weeks ago I went home to my PC, utterly 10% slower than I left it. Now all I get are emails from my Mom describing what is wrong with it. It's a P3 800Mhz so I doubt I could sell it and buy a decent mac with it. Maybe if I get a job this summer I can buy them one. to end my suffering...
Well... I'd like to disagree. To a certain extent. Yes Windows is getting better, but it still lags behind the Mac.
I switched 3 months ago.
One of my big letdowns after though was how often Mac apps crashed. And then how often they hung and in some cases i've had to do a cold-reboot (hold pwr key for 5 seconds - eg last night my screensaver froze everything ).
I also run VPC (OS W2K). Just like on a real PC, applications crash on it too.
But the I started to notice the real difference between Macs and PCs. It's called robustness.
1) Mac app crashes rarely affect another running app. Windows often does.
2) Hangs in both OSes affect everything
3) When a Mac app crashes, you get a single polite user friendly error message and then start the app again. With windows you usually get a very unfriendly complex error that often keeps coming back and you have to use Task Manager to kill the app. And half the time have to reboot to get things running smooth again.
I've been doing PC computer support for 18 years.
Why do you get crashes on PCs? Driver clash. Memory conflicts. Corrupt files. Too many apps open. Application conflicts. General software bugs, need to defrag, need to run scandisk etc etc etc.
Why do you get crashes on Macs? Well, in my short time, it's either permissions or a general software bug.
I LOVE this repair permissions thing!! It's like a magic wand. It fixes 70%of my problems. A further 25% have been fixed by rebooting. Probably another 4% were dodgy apps and the remaining 1% were "other" such as Reset Safari (when cursor keys were making it crash) or using a 3rd party tool to repair permissions (when DU's Repair Permissions kept crashing)
In PC-land, most techs I know get their fair share of crashes and hangs, and sometimes are more susceptible because we load so much crap on them!
And I don't entirely subscribe to the argument that those who build their own PCs don't have crashes. Those guys keep their PCs finely tuned so they have to do a lot of work keeping them running smoothly. eg keeping drivers up-to-date, apply patches, defragging regularly, scandisk often, reboot daily etc etc.
On my Mac, I've just learnt to reboot at least every 2 days and run Repair permissions once a week (more if I install a few apps or updates.)
Interestingly too, since I've got into this habit, I get heaps less app crashes.
So, sorry, but I do think the Mac is more stable, more robust and importantly, easier to keep running well, and most significantly, easier to resolve problems.
In my short time with Macs I think these things could put support out of business!
thanks
PS We run Dell's throughout here and still have many crashes despite them being the business line which are meant to have higher quality parts throughout and gone through tighter QA.
I switched 3 months ago.
One of my big letdowns after though was how often Mac apps crashed. And then how often they hung and in some cases i've had to do a cold-reboot (hold pwr key for 5 seconds - eg last night my screensaver froze everything ).
I also run VPC (OS W2K). Just like on a real PC, applications crash on it too.
But the I started to notice the real difference between Macs and PCs. It's called robustness.
1) Mac app crashes rarely affect another running app. Windows often does.
2) Hangs in both OSes affect everything
3) When a Mac app crashes, you get a single polite user friendly error message and then start the app again. With windows you usually get a very unfriendly complex error that often keeps coming back and you have to use Task Manager to kill the app. And half the time have to reboot to get things running smooth again.
I've been doing PC computer support for 18 years.
Why do you get crashes on PCs? Driver clash. Memory conflicts. Corrupt files. Too many apps open. Application conflicts. General software bugs, need to defrag, need to run scandisk etc etc etc.
Why do you get crashes on Macs? Well, in my short time, it's either permissions or a general software bug.
I LOVE this repair permissions thing!! It's like a magic wand. It fixes 70%of my problems. A further 25% have been fixed by rebooting. Probably another 4% were dodgy apps and the remaining 1% were "other" such as Reset Safari (when cursor keys were making it crash) or using a 3rd party tool to repair permissions (when DU's Repair Permissions kept crashing)
In PC-land, most techs I know get their fair share of crashes and hangs, and sometimes are more susceptible because we load so much crap on them!
And I don't entirely subscribe to the argument that those who build their own PCs don't have crashes. Those guys keep their PCs finely tuned so they have to do a lot of work keeping them running smoothly. eg keeping drivers up-to-date, apply patches, defragging regularly, scandisk often, reboot daily etc etc.
On my Mac, I've just learnt to reboot at least every 2 days and run Repair permissions once a week (more if I install a few apps or updates.)
Interestingly too, since I've got into this habit, I get heaps less app crashes.
So, sorry, but I do think the Mac is more stable, more robust and importantly, easier to keep running well, and most significantly, easier to resolve problems.
In my short time with Macs I think these things could put support out of business!
thanks
PS We run Dell's throughout here and still have many crashes despite them being the business line which are meant to have higher quality parts throughout and gone through tighter QA.