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Eh… 2025? That’s 3 years from their latest released iPhone SE. Seems like Apple doesn’t want to compete? Three years same phone with no updates??? 🤪
Maybe a 14pro will be less expensive than the likely to be introduced iPhone SE in 2025?
What a business decision to not update a mobile phone in 3 years 🤣😂🤣. If I were the ceo there would follow some layoffs in management.
Maybe a 14pro will be less expensive than the likely to be introduced iPhone SE in 2025?
What a business decision to not update a mobile phone in 3 years 🤣😂🤣. If I were the ceo there would follow some layoffs in management.
95% don’t even know what specifications the iPhone has. If they knew, they also know that there are much better options today.
If Apple doesn’t give all futures new iPhones the capabilities to use Apple Intelligence, this would be another big mistake. Apple isn’t running at the forefront with AI. Any delay or only give the “pro” models that option will put Apple even further behind the competition.
Like or hate AI. It can give users great benefits and it’s not going away. Better embrace it in a good way.
Apple's Modem. One less Camera. Lower Grade OLED. And a reminder current iPhone SE is $429. So $499 is $70 increase already.
The actual Modem doesn't actually save Apple much if anything. But it does allow Apple to test the hell out of it in real world usage on iPhone SE. And no, the modem wont be as good as Qualcomm. We have been through that trillion times for the past 5 to 6 years. Making decent Modem is harder than CPU or GPU combined.
I am starting to wonder if the iPhone Slim is actually an iPhone SE Plus. Both with Apple Modem and start at $699. I just dont think Premium iPhone Slim would come with Apple Modem when the iPhone 17 aren't suppose to be on Apple Modem.
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I wouldn't consider AI a high end feature or a unique feature, if they don't include it people will turn to other AI products. That's why I think apple will offer AI or at least some AI functionality in the SE. I think many core components will rely on AI moving forward too. But well see, either way it will be interesting to see the lineup of models after the SE has been released.
When it comes to making a custom modem and a custom CPU/GPU its quite different, were talking CPU architecture here. If Apple would have chosen not to design their own CPUs and gone for lets say Qualcomm's offerings we would have seen similar performance and efficiency gains over the x86 CPU.
I'm not saying their 5G modems will be crap, but Qualcomm are making great products, have loads of patents and a long relationship integrating their chipset with Apple products.
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Keep everything. How else can it compete with offerings from the competition that already offer those things for years for even less than $ 499???
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Samsung do have great offerings, but one thing they don't offer to their "budget" models seem to be AI, at least today. Maybe its just a matter of time until the CPU's and memory are cheap enough, but today AI is reserved for the high-end models.Keep everything. How else can it compete with offerings from the competition that already offer those things for years for even less than $ 499???
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Keep everything. How else can it compete with offerings from the competition that already offer those things for years for even less than $ 499???
Let’s see who is faster to market with better offerings. So far Apple hasn’t released anything and we can only wish their offerings are good. Samsung is already offering and by the time Apple is ready, they will have new possibilities too.
So if Samsung doesn’t offer AI on there Budget models why would Apple risk increasing the price on the SE and put Apple Intelligence on it?
Samsung doesn’t offer AI on there budget models so why should Apple offer AI on the SE and risk significantly raising the price?
Guess you don’t see the history of Apple taking over products or services and fine tuning them to work better on there own platform.
I would bet Apple wouldn’t risk bringing a custom modem to market and literally spending billions of dollars on modem technology via Intel and also hiring tons of top level talent away from Qualcomm if they didn’t have something that broke through for them.
I'm not saying Samsung strategy is what makes Apple decide if they should offer AI on the new SE or not, I'm just pointing out that today Samsung has chosen to only offer their AI offering on their high-end models.
Samsung isn't Apples only competitor, especially when it comes to AI. And Apple doesn't really offer the type of "budget" phones or the odd divided support that Samsung does.
If Apple would use the same SoC as the iPhone 16 will have (CPU/RAM) it will prob be cheaper than to make a dedicated one for the SE phones. I'm guessing now but don't think a 6GB > 8GB of RAM increase that will enable AI will have a big impact on the price
Apple own modem would save them quite a bit, as they would not have to pay Qualcomm for anything else but patent fees. The modem will not be designed to compete against Qualcomm but to save money and for it to work better on and more efficient on iOS products
Pure speculation on the iPhone Slim right now and too early to tell. We will get a better idea in January. Reports are saying the price will be higher than the pro max at $1299
I know Apples history quite well and you are right, they are great at fine-tuning existing off the shelf things. But its also important to understand that not all things are the same.
I'm not saying Apple will release something that's crap, just saying that Qualcomm is the market leader and that they have had a tight relationship for years. To catch up with Qualcomm isn't an easy task, not saying it can't be done but it comes with a significant cost.
Y'all are getting way too creative with the SE.
The key concept and business model behind SE is rehashing an older model and making a killing by combining an old, outdated design and parts with Apple's (perpetually) market-leading SoC.
Spending as little as possible on R&D which is why things like new chassis designs and new internals, like an Apple made modem or "iPhone Slim" redesign will come to any other iPhone before coming to SE.
Not happening, not when it's starting at at price point between $429 and $799. Absolutely no way.
SE 4 is very simply going to be a 12/13/14 rehash of some kind. And it's mainly dropping so soon because Apple cannot(!) make and sell new iPhones 14, 13 and SE 3 post December 28 (EU USB-C regulations).
SE4 is not getting Apple intelligence as that is something Apple will position as the great value premium feature that it generously put in the $799 iPhone this year, no longer exclusive to the >$999 Pros.
Whatever the case may be, Apple will do its very best to make sure that there are plenty of reasons to still spend that $200-$300 more on an iPhone 16. Apple ain't never made a budget product that cannibalizes sales of more expensive products. Not even the 1st generation SE managed to do that.
Apple still doesn't have to.Keep everything. How else can it compete with offerings from the competition that already offer those things for years for even less than $ 499???
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The $799 iPhones 12, 13, and 14 have all sold incredibly well despite fairly outdated specs just because its iPhone.
I'm sure a lot of consumers don't understand or feel the need for Apple Intelligence and would gladly buy a brand new iPhone, with Face ID and A17 or A18 SoC, for some $429-$499.
Like with iPhones 13 and 14, Apple will make sure to offer them in some great, popping colors that other brands don't offer, and voila, SE 4 is a success.
The 11 is getting old. We need a flicker free upgrade path. My plan now is to get the current SE with 256 GB and downgrade to that once my 11 isn't useable anymore. Unless Apple magically manages to make a flicker free OLED backplane in time.
I will welcome the sharper edges on the case as I find it provides a firmer grip compared to the current rounded edges. But I'm not looking forward to the larger size. I buy a phone for a phone. I already have an iPad and Mac Mini if I sometimes desire a larger screen. I'd prefer not to carry a large screen day in and day out.
Apple doesn’t care about beating Qualcomm in modem performance and offering there modem worldwide like Qualcomm.
Apple wants to save cost on modem fees and to fine tune the modem to specifically work on there iOS which could result in better battery life when using 5G data
iOS 18 Beta runs pretty smooth on my 12 Pro, it feels even better than iOS 17, therefore the iOS will not be a selling point for the iPhone 16, I guess.
Also I am in the EU, it means no AI for me anyway.
I think, I’ll be waiting for the SE instead of the 16 Pro.
USB-C and a new CPU for the next four years.
Also I am in the EU, it means no AI for me anyway.
I think, I’ll be waiting for the SE instead of the 16 Pro.
USB-C and a new CPU for the next four years.
With iPhones SE in particular, Apple pulls its evergreen trump card: its market-leading SoC.
-In September 2024, all the tech-world will gawk over how great and efficient iPhones 16 are with A18, and how Apple still wins with its silicon.
Then when SE 4 drops in Q2-Q3 2025, the news will be "SE 4 is just as blazingly fast as iPhones 16 and and very close to 16 Pro. Sure, no Apple Intelligence. But you get a brand new iPhone with 128GB, Face ID, and A18, the World's fastest SoC. Wow!"
This has, sort of, been the headline at every SE launch because the "mid-tier iPhone performance but at budget smartphone price" just works.
Apple doesn't need to do any more than that. Apple Intelligence, as it stands, is not a must-have for most of us.
On that note, I think launching SE 4 in 2025 could turn out to be really great timing as it offers Apple a backup plan of sorts iiPhones 16 fail enough to hurt the bottomline, like if Apple Intelligence isn't pushing a lot to upgrade, or gets bad reviews because its so far from the WWDC 24' promises. Who knows.
Apple is known for software disabling certain features for no other reason than getting you to buy a more expensive model.
Also, the idea that it's specifically 8GB that "unlocks" Apple Intelligence is not something Apple has ever stated. It's something we speculate. But it hasn't been confirmed.
Apple could give SE 4 8GB RAM and block it from Apple Intelligence just to have you get an $799 iPhone 16 or better.
Somebody has to pay for the extra R&D to make AI work on iPhones, and it sure as hell ain't going to be Apple.
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Yes I agree and also you get the all “new Apple Custom Silicon 5G modem” use all the 5G data you want without hurting your battery 🔋 Life. It will be just like your WiFi which saves your battery a lot
Apple Intelligence is too much of a high end feature to put on a Budget SE model and it will pretty much be in Beta form meaning constantly needing to be updated over the next several months if not year to really start to be smooth AI experience
Apple Intelligence is no different from them first starting any new product ie: iPhone, Apple Watch, Vision Pro. The product development cycle will take time and improve over time