Some Macs Auto-Updating to macOS Sonoma Without User Permission

[truthsteve]

Meaning that I’ve had serious problems in the past and the vast majority of bugs have received an apathetic response.

Not sure how that's proof of anything. Likely bigger customers had even bigger problems and Apple had to take care of that first.

 

[0339327]

Not sure how that's proof of anything. Likely bigger customers had even bigger problems and Apple had to take care of that first.

I’ve been an Apple customer for over two decades and have seen, first hand, a major change in the way Apple creates and supports products, and not for the better.

This is due to a shift away from “insanely great products” in favor of a move towards “insanely high profits”. This has been a documented change and is well written about in Tripp Mickle’s book “After Steve”.

After Steve: How Apple Became a... https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063009811?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

 

[1129846]

Why would I want to enter my password when the prompt is unclear?

What gets me is I have a lot of dev tools installed and about the same time every day I get a blast of requests for my password with updates needing to be installed. Not the best practice but I have gotten so used to it it could easily slip pass me as it is a quick glance at best to confirm it is for a tool. It could screw me here if it hit around 930-10am range as that when I get a blast every few days and with several in a row.

 

[truthsteve]

I’ve been an Apple for over two decades and have seen, first hand, a major change in the way Apple creates and supports products, and not for the better.

This is due to a shift away from “insanely great products” to a move towards “insanely high profits”. This has been a documented change and is well written about in Tripp Mickle’s book “After Steve”.

After Steve: How Apple Became a... https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063009811?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

anecdotal.

I've been an apple customer for over two decades as well. I've seen the software become more and more complex, lots of transitions, more cloud connected, more security issues, etc... if Steve was still alive, you'd either see the same issues or far less features but more stability.

Not really into dodgy books.

Steve Jobs Lives

How Tripp Mickle’s Book ‘After Steve’ Gets it Wrong

medium.com

 

[Beyo]

I have no idea why your comment recieved a downvote. Tried to look at it objectively but can't see anything terrible in what you said.
Response was measured, no hyperbole and even a suggestion for remedy.
I will say though, I think that the chances of Apple allowing a downgrade are pretty much zero. What they'll do instead is create another build of the same point release. Which doesn't fix the problem of course.

Because MacRumours is filled with nerds that must be on every latest software because as Tim Cook said "latest is greatest" and they don't understand somebody out there use Mac for real work instead of sending cat pictures on Messenger.

 

[Beyo]

oh this is bad and will screw over a lot of developers. Big time as Apple has removed rosetta support in xcode 15 so they are trapped on Xcode 14.3. Next catch is Xcode 14 does not run on the latest OS.
This just is going to make worse. I have to keep xcode 14 running for a little while for debug purposes or I need to build an earlier version of the code to debug. I personally plan on upgrade my work machine next month but it is common for me to want to hold onto a working copy of the previous Xcode for almost a year so I can drop down into it for an older build to check something.

There should an option in Xcode to add manually different toolchain. I used this once on El Capitan but it's tricky and probably nobody in the world used this with success. Developers are rich men and instead working as long as they can on their machines they buy new one because why not.

This is so annoying, both these options now are (almost) impossible to do:
1. installing newer SDK on older Xcode or
2. Installing older SDK on newer Xcode.

Apple QA division does not know ****. How in the world they released Apple Music API on Mac without player that is able to play AM tracks?????

 

[H2SO4]

Because MacRumours is filled with nerds that must be on every latest software because as Tim Cook said "latest is greatest" and they don't understand somebody out there use Mac for real work instead of sending cat pictures on Messenger.

I get that but I'd actually really like to understand the position.
Really curious.

 

[FrootyLootScoop]

Over the past few weeks, some Mac users have complained that their computer automatically upgraded itself from macOS Ventura to the latest macOS Sonoma release, even with the automatic updates setting turned off.

There are widespread complaints about this issue across the Apple Support Community, MacRumors Forums, Reddit, X, and other websites.

In most cases, it appears that affected users received a desktop notification alerting them that macOS Sonoma was an available software update. However, despite dismissing the notification and having automatic updates turned off, affected users said their Mac proceeded to install macOS Sonoma regardless. Apple began showing the notification to users on January 10, according to MacRumors contributor Aaron Perris.

The underlying cause of the issue is unclear, and an Apple spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

It is possible to downgrade a Mac to an older macOS version by using a bootable installer to erase and install the older version and then restoring your data from a Time Machine backup. Always make sure to back up your data before downgrading a Mac.

To review your Mac's update settings, open the System Settings app, click General → Software Update, and click the info symbol next to Automatic Updates.

We will update this report if new information becomes available.

Article Link: Some Macs Auto-Updating to macOS Sonoma Without User Permission

Happened here as well, auto-update from Ventura on a 2019 MBP. Explicitly don't have auto-updates enabled due to music software and hardware compatibility, then Apple decided to upgrade for me. Fortunately it's mid-lifecycle for Sonoma. Had this happened when Sonoma was just released, many workflows would have been completely broken...

 

[Jim Lahey]

Assuming Apple has yet to comment on this issue? They can't possibly not know about it. Hopefully they're still investigating.

 

[profdraper]

https://www.macintouch.com/post/37997/more-on-forced-macos-updates/

How to stop Upgrade to macOS Sonoma notifications
Are you still on macOS Ventura or Monterey and prefer not to install Sonoma yet? Sadly, the brain trust at Apple have decided that your preferences don’t matter. … And if you click the wrong thing, you’ll accidentally, silently install Sonoma. … The solution in this case is actually quite simple, one little Terminal command:

defaults write com.apple.SoftwareUpdate MajorOSUserNotificationDate -date "2025-02-07 23:22:47 +0000"

 

[FeliApple]

Interestingly, there has been a lot more outrage about this (a reversible software update, as annoying as this is), than there was with the A9 on iOS 9 activation bug.

iOS disallows downgrades. All A9 devices on iOS 9 were deactivated for some inexplicable reason and forced to update. This happened to me twice.

So folks... it could always be worse. It could be irreversible, and at least this isn’t.

 

[H2SO4]

Interestingly, there has been a lot more outrage about this (a reversible software update, as annoying as this is), than there was with the A9 on iOS 9 activation bug.

iOS disallows downgrades. All A9 devices on iOS 9 were deactivated for some inexplicable reason and forced to update. This happened to me twice.

So folks... it could always be worse. It could be irreversible, and at least this isn’t.

Dunno about you but I do/have a LOT more on my computer than I do on my phone. A broken Mac has more implications for me.

 

[FeliApple]

Dunno about you but I do/have a LOT more on my computer than I do on my phone. A broken Mac has more implications for me.

But you can always revert on Mac. It’s irreversible and unfixable on iOS.

 

[H2SO4]

But you can always revert on Mac. It’s irreversible and unfixable on iOS.

Yeah I know, I'm saying that's the reason for the outrage. Although you can revert, I think, has the potential for so much more damage?

 

[FeliApple]

Yeah I know, I'm saying that's the reason for the outrage. Although you can revert, I think, has the potential for so much more damage?

There’s no comparison imo. iOS devices are consistently obliterated. Macs? They have a lot more adequate solutions.

Once an iOS device is updated and obliterated, there’s nothing the user can do.

 

[H2SO4]

There’s no comparison imo. iOS devices are consistently obliterated. Macs? They have a lot more adequate solutions.

Once an iOS device is updated and obliterated, there’s nothing the user can do.

Well cool. Maybe we look at things differently.
If i had to choose to have either my Mac or my phone bricked I’d take the phone pretty much every time.

 

[Jay Tee]

This is not a bug, but I'm going to let this one slide. Apple had better not try this again in the future, or I'll have to move out of the ecosystem.

 

[The1Biz]

It's a Windows move. I'm on Big Sur still and I'll upgrade at some point but for now I don't see the need and I'm happy with what I have.