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I wish the One could pair with a Play:1 for a stereo pair. I already have a Play:1 in my living room, and was going to buy a second one for the other side of the room. Wouldn't it make sense to be able to add a One and get both the stereo pair and the voice control?

I can pair TWO Play One's, of course, but you don't need two mics in the same room. Or I could get a second Play:1 for the stereo pair and forego the voice control.

I hope people realize that in addition to getting a great sounding individual speaker, buying into the Sonos ecosystem gets you started into a very capable whole-home-audio solution. Too many reviews try to compare Sonos as if it was competing with a standalone Bluetooth speaker, and forget that Sonos is capable of much more than just a "push" audio device.

With AirPlay 2 coming, you can get whole-home audio without being locked into any one speaker manufacturer. As long as whatever speakers you buy are AP2 compatible, you're good to go and don't need to rely on one company for all of your speakers. For instance, a Sonos One would be alright for something like a bathroom speaker, but for the living room I want something far more substantial.
 
Having used both a fair bit... Alexa seems equally awful as Siri.
My limited exposure to Google’s new assistant did not wow me either. None of these are “there” yet.

And contrary to your statement, I have read where many appreciate Alexa over Siri. I think it's based on the results that are produced from the search or command and overall effectiveness of using the voice assistant. Its t's a constant evolution of improving voice assistants. They all do the same thing essentially, it's just the performance is different with producing results, dictation and deciphering amongst all of them. There is advantages and disadvantages to all of them.
 
I know the Sonos Play 1 is entry level but do they have a nice full sound with a bit of bass?
I have a Play:1 and a Play:5. The latter has greater bass response of course but you can help the Play:1 by placing it in a corner of a room. I was pleasantly surprised by the overall sound quality of the Play:1.

Since I don't use my Sonos setup with subscription services, I'm curious to know if the One's storage capacity has increased. If so, I'd consider replacing my existing players when the newer product line becomes available.
 
I have a Play:1 and a Play:5. The latter has greater bass response of course but you can help the Play:1 by placing it in a corner of a room. I was pleasantly surprised by the overall sound quality of the Play:1.

Since I don't use my Sonos setup with subscription services, I'm curious to know if the One's storage capacity has increased. If so, I'd consider replacing my existing players when the newer product line becomes available.
You sure you own a SONOS - they don't have any user addressable/usable storage.
 
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Any audiophile knows that the laws of physics prevents this small speaker by itself cannot deliver high fidelity sound.....I would not buy it for a dollar. I suggest the posters visit the Magnolia Room at Best Buy and listen to some speakers...I suggest Martin Logan or B & W....after you hear a demonstration...you will understand that this speaker is inferior at best....the price for this Chinese made product should be $10.
actually I have compared them at a high fi store. the store actually don't make much money on sonos as they are a small store. but they recommend them for many things they are great for bringing sound throughout the house. like I thought about separate speakers and a amp in the bedroom but the bulk of that and my wife hitting the buttons accidentally (she is blind) we went with two sonos 5's. we had a sonos connect connected to so powered speakers and it worked out ok but she wanted better sound in the living room we have a sonos amp powering floor standing speakers and a subwoofer. works great. kitchen has two play 1's. is there better out there? of course there is but sonos works very well for this job and my blind wife can use the app much better then a bunch of separate apps and airplay. she is really happy that alexa can help her control the music over taking out her phone.
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With AirPlay 2 coming, you can get whole-home audio without being locked into any one speaker manufacturer. As long as whatever speakers you buy are AP2 compatible, you're good to go and don't need to rely on one company for all of your speakers. For instance, a Sonos One would be alright for something like a bathroom speaker, but for the living room I want something far more substantial.
thats why they make a sonos amp. overpriced but it works well.
 
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MrGrimper,

I know the Sonos Play 1 is entry level but do they have a nice full sound with a bit of bass?

I am so accustomed to the Play:5, and this will be my first Sonos One (in a stereo pair). It sounds like you are very happy with the sound.

I've owned one for 6mths and I can tell you the Play: 1 has a Great Mid range, crystal clear highs and good sounding bass.

You'll be VERY surprised what it can deliver!! By comparison those older bookshelf speaker systems by Sony, Sharp, Pioneer etc having 200-280W RMS their bass is comparable. The Play:1 or Play:3's don't list their Watt for speaker sound quality as a rating.

I listin to Hip-Hop/Rap (80-90's rap and current), Alternative/Heavy Metal (Metallica Master of Puppets, Fade to Black, One and One Live), Beethoven's Symphony's, Ride of the Valkryies, Soul/Motown/R&B/NeoSoul, Jazz (Chet Baker, Miles Davis, etc) ... and I can say my non-audiphile ears are VERY impressed. 900 Square Foot Apartment 1 Bedroom and they fill up the unit quite well.
 
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One more downside to the HomePod....Siri.

If you are buying the speaker primarily for music and want an assistant, Siri is a poor choice. Siri is severely outflanked by Google and Amazon Alexa.

The plug-ins available for Alexa alone is a reason to go with that assistant over Siri. There are dozens upon dozens of ways you can expand Alexa voice capabilities.

Then again, most are buying for music first. However, this should be a big consideration in that choice of hardware.

I don't know, to me a speaker that stores all of the requests you've made on Amazon's servers for who knows what use makes a pretty strong argument that Siri is the right choice here. But I guess some don't seem to care about privacy until their data is misused.
 
Interoperability is the future and increasingly the closed Apple ecosystem is going to cause Apple users to be stuck with only Apple choices, while everyone else can choose the best of each part of the solution. The better the interoperability gets, the smaller the advantage the close ecosystem has. I just say this because there is a list of compatible music services this thing works with, and Apple was is the glaring one that is missing. I just switched from Apple Music to Spotify and now I'm compatible with just about anything all of a sudden.
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At $199, I think they'll sell plenty of these to price-conscious shoppers. Looks like a stellar device. Too bad, I'm an Apple nut and have my reservations about where Amazon is going with their voice services.

You don't understand where Amazon is going with their voice services? Its not hard to figure out. They want to sell you stuff, so that is where they are going. I have no problem with Amazon using my information to help me make better choices when I shop. I always go to Amazon first when I need to buy something, because of their attention to the customer.
 
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Yeah and that’s the problem, the pricing on stuff like that is too high. With AP2 there’s no need for the cost of extra equipment like that.
but sonos works and it works very well and it has been very reliable. airplay has not been and always relying on apple can be a real pain.
 
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Yeah and that’s the problem, the pricing on stuff like that is too high. With AP2 there’s no need for the cost of extra equipment like that.
You still need Airplay 2 compatible speakers...
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With AirPlay 2 coming, you can get whole-home audio without being locked into any one speaker manufacturer. As long as whatever speakers you buy are AP2 compatible, you're good to go and don't need to rely on one company for all of your speakers. For instance, a Sonos One would be alright for something like a bathroom speaker, but for the living room I want something far more substantial.

With HomePod and Airplay 2, you're locked into one content provider/streamer/voice control (Apple), and those speaker manufacturers who offer Airplay 2-compatible speakers.
With Sonos, you're locked into one speaker manufacturer. Except you're not, as they offer the Sonos Connect and Connect:Amp products, which allow you to use any speaker or sound system.
 
I'm really not getting the fuss over "smart speakers." Why would I spend money on something that merely does what my phone already does?
Not sure why you would spend money, but others might spend money since the smart speakers can be used by multiple people (family/friends), don't require a phone to be tied up playing music, and is used as a stationary product; not mobile. Sometimes you have to look beyond your personal use case.

Loud, Clear & Dynamic.

All completely meaningless word salad with subjective meanings or zero translations to audio quality.

Why do they insist on using these trash words instead of specifications? Because they know that the speaker doesn't actually have the ability to pass even basic critical listening test.
They use those words because they are trying to sell a product. Plain and simple. More importantly, they're trying to sell a product to "every man", not audiophile man. If they were to do as you suggest, that would mean they are 1. Ignorant of their market and their customer. 2. Really don't want to sell a lot of product. 3. Dumb as hell.

You'll be hard pressed to find a successful company that sells on technical specifications. Even those that do, often highlight specs that catch the eye. Not ones that have practical meaning.

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Any audiophile knows that the laws of physics prevents this small speaker by itself cannot deliver high fidelity sound.....I would not buy it for a dollar. I suggest the posters visit the Magnolia Room at Best Buy and listen to some speakers...I suggest Martin Logan or B & W....after you hear a demonstration...you will understand that this speaker is inferior at best....the price for this Chinese made product should be $10.
No one really cares Phil. I don't say to be rude. I say that because no one really cares. A self identifying audiophile generally gets tuned out by the general populace. Same goes for any "expert" in a field dominated by the common man. The audiophiles are better off stratifying on sites like HeadFi, The Absolute Sound, or Audiohead.
We're talking about streamed music. It's not like the standard source material is audiophile quality so... yeah, no one really cares.
 
If the company isn't for sale, how can it be bought?

Hello- EVERY company in the world can be bought even if not for sale. Happens all the time.

Somebody knocks on the door and says " I will give you $$$$ for your company if you will sell it to me today". Or something similar.

Really.. did you just ask that?
 
You sure you own a SONOS - they don't have any user addressable/usable storage.
The storage is reserved for the system. My understanding is that for the original use case to play locally stored audio files, the system maintains a collection of meta-tags for each track in the library; and a copy of this database resides on each player's volatile memory in order to maintain a responsive UI. You can view this library data by pointing your browser to:

http://192.168.x.x:1400/status/tracks_summary
(modify IP address for your LAN and player)
 
You still need Airplay 2 compatible speakers...
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With HomePod and Airplay 2, you're locked into one content provider/streamer/voice control (Apple), and those speaker manufacturers who offer Airplay 2-compatible speakers.
With Sonos, you're locked into one speaker manufacturer. Except you're not, as they offer the Sonos Connect and Connect:Amp products, which allow you to use any speaker or sound system.

Yeah you need AP2 compatible speakers, and fortunately AP2 is speaker-brand agnostic. Just as AP1 is today, AP2 availability will be almost ubiquitous. With AP2 you're not forced into only Sonos products, which won't meet many people's SQ requirements anyway. And you're only locked into one streaming service with HomePod, not AP2 in general. You can get AP2 compatibility with any speakers you want as well with a far cheaper ATV 4, whereas the Connect and Amp cost more than double at a ridiculous $350 and $500 respectively.
 
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Dang, I already have Siri, Bixby and Cortana. Now if I add these I will have to remember Alexa's name too. I hope these assistants don't get mad when I call out the wrong name.
 
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With AirPlay 2 coming, you can get whole-home audio without being locked into any one speaker manufacturer. As long as whatever speakers you buy are AP2 compatible, you're good to go and don't need to rely on one company for all of your speakers. For instance, a Sonos One would be alright for something like a bathroom speaker, but for the living room I want something far more substantial.

This sounds exactly like Airplay 1. Which I have used for years with a few apple tvs connected to stereos, an airport express, 3 pioneer airplay speakers (A4, A3, A2), and a receiver with airplay built in. The music almost always played in sync without problem. The problem I had was that I would constantly get dropouts randomly in different rooms. I didn't usually have problems when I was home alone or with 1 or 2 people. Once I had 10+ people over for parties and everyone had cellphones the inference caused constant dropouts. Even with most of them being hardwired through a gigabit router, and the music files locally stored and also wired. Last year I picked up two play 1s, a boost, and a used playbar and I haven't had any problems with dropout with only the boost hardwired and streaming through Spotify. If airplay 2 doesn't have a proprietary mesh network like you get with Sonos after you wire just 1 speaker or a boost then I'm guessing its going to continue to have the same problems as airplay 1. The same problem google cast has with multi room audio. I preordered the new Sonos 1, and will probably try out the home pod if airplay 2 solves the problems of airplay 1.

*FYI I could also independently adjust each speaker/room volume using airfoil and the airfoil remote app for ios. Airfoil also let you grab any audio from your Mac to play over airplay. It was nice and those apps made me stick with airplay for years. After buying a house and hardwiring a lot, I thought airplay would be better but the dropouts continued and that's why I started investing in Sonos.
 
I am surprised someone is questioning the future of Sonos compared to Apple.

Do you think Apple is going to take over the speaker industry? Me thinks not.

A single HomePod speaker goes for $350.

Two Sonos speakers can be had for $50 more and I bet it kicks the crap out of one HomePod speaker.

Sonos will play mostly any music service. You can add dozens of music and Internet radio stations to it.

HomePod is, well, Apple Music.

I am not knocking the HomePod. It's just that it is severely limited. After becoming a Sonos owner, I am very impressed with the quality of their speakers.

The Sonos software sucks for us Apple Music users. My play 5 souls great, but will go with a HomePod if it works seamless with Apple TV.
 
This sounds exactly like Airplay 1. Which I have used for years with a few apple tvs connected to stereos, an airport express, 3 pioneer airplay speakers (A4, A3, A2), and a receiver with airplay built in. The music almost always played in sync without problem. The problem I had was that I would constantly get dropouts randomly in different rooms. I didn't usually have problems when I was home alone or with 1 or 2 people. Once I had 10+ people over for parties and everyone had cellphones the inference caused constant dropouts. Even with most of them being hardwired through a gigabit router, and the music files locally stored and also wired. Last year I picked up two play 1s, a boost, and a used playbar and I haven't had any problems with dropout with only the boost hardwired and streaming through Spotify. If airplay 2 doesn't have a proprietary mesh network like you get with Sonos after you wire just 1 speaker or a boost then I'm guessing its going to continue to have the same problems as airplay 1. The same problem google cast has with multi room audio. I preordered the new Sonos 1, and will probably try out the home pod if airplay 2 solves the problems of airplay 1.

*FYI I could also independently adjust each speaker/room volume using airfoil and the airfoil remote app for ios. Airfoil also let you grab any audio from your Mac to play over airplay. It was nice and those apps made me stick with airplay for years. After buying a house and hardwiring a lot, I thought airplay would be better but the dropouts continued and that's why I started investing in Sonos.

Were you using your Mac to stream with AP1? Streaming to multiple speakers has never been supported natively by iOS devices and won’t be until AP2 launches later this year. Additionally, if all those people were connected to your WiFi network, that could also explain the dropouts that only occurred when you had a bunch of people over.
 
Yeah you need AP2 compatible speakers, and fortunately AP2 is speaker-brand agnostic. Just as AP1 is today, AP2 availability will be almost ubiquitous. With AP2 you're not forced into only Sonos products, which won't meet many people's SQ requirements anyway. And you're only locked into one streaming service with HomePod, not AP2 in general. You can get AP2 compatibility with any speakers you want as well with a far cheaper ATV 4, whereas the Connect and Amp cost more than double at a ridiculous $350 and $500 respectively.

I think Sonos meets more peoples SQ requirement than not. Why do you think bluetooth speakers are so popular... they're sound quality is usually terrible compared to any Sonos. I totally agree that the Sonos connect needs to drop in price. At $1-200 they wouldn't be able to keep them in stock. I don't know anyone with decent airplay 1 speakers or the B&W Zeppelin. Most people go for as cheap as possible with audio. That's why you see so many people using the headphones that came with their phone, sound bars, or surround sound in a box setups.
 
After or around when John McFarlane left they would have jumped at the idea. I have no doubt they'd except $150M today.
Oh I doubt that very much. $150M is nothing! Where are you pulling this figure from?

For one, they raised $130M in December 2014, for a small percentage of the company. Overall they have raised over $450M in venture capital funding.

In 2013/14 they became the second largest speaker manufacturer in the world by revenue. They were second to Bose that does about $4.5B a year.
 
I think Sonos meets more peoples SQ requirement than not. Why do you think bluetooth speakers are so popular... they're sound quality is usually terrible compared to any Sonos. I totally agree that the Sonos connect needs to drop in price. At $1-200 they wouldn't be able to keep them in stock. I don't know anyone with decent airplay 1 speakers or the B&W Zeppelin. Most people go for as cheap as possible with audio. That's why you see so many people using the headphones that came with their phone, sound bars, or surround sound in a box setups.

Many people probably do find a simple Sonos speaker to be all they need SQ-wise, but many also will not, which is where AP2’s superiority comes into play. Bluetooth speakers are popular because they’re much better than iPhone speakers. That said, they still won’t touch a dedicated setup.
 
Were you using your Mac to stream with AP1? Streaming to multiple speakers has never been supported natively by iOS devices and won’t be until AP2 launches later this year.

Yes. It actually is supported when using iTunes on a Mac. I don't remember when exactly but they added a few years ago. Only from a Mac not an iOS device. You can select multiple speakers in iTunes. Once you had music playing from iTunes you could use the apple iOS remote app to adjust volume and change songs playing from the Mac. I think when Apple Music first launched they pulled the ability for a while but then added it back in. I was using apple music for a while but then when I turned on the ability to make playlist with local music and Apple Music, my library got all screwed up, similar to the original iTunes Match debacle. A lot of my local music is labeled wrong and there is nothing apple will do... So I switched to Spotify and haven't looked back. If I wanted to play music from Spotify or somewhere else I had to use airfoil.
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Many people probably do find a simple Sonos speaker to be all they need SQ-wise, but many also will not, which is where AP2’s superiority comes into play. Bluetooth speakers are popular because they’re much better than iPhone speakers. That said, they still won’t touch a dedicated setup.

Nothing will touch a dedicated setup... That's where an airport express, Apple TV, google cast, or Sonos connect comes in. Don't get me wrong I'm a huge apple fan... not giving up on their iOS devices or Macs. I am just doubting there commitment to airplay 2. Airplay has had so much potential, and still does but I think its going to go the way of the Mac mini and get no real updates after the first. Being able to link up two speakers to play in stereo is old news. Logitech has been able to do that with their bluetooth speakers. Sonos has been able to do that too. Sonos can link them in a setup with a sound bar (which they need to add HDMI too :mad:) for surround sound. I'm still keeping my airplay speakers hoping they will work with airplay two and it has some kind of mesh network separate from wifi. It won't matter if B&W, Martin Logan, Pioneer, or anyone else makes airplay 2 speakers if people buy 3 of them and they dropout when they spread them across a 1500+ sq ft house and are getting dropouts. I'll probably get a home pod to try it out, maybe put in my kitchen and take out the Sonos. This way I can add reminders and stuff to my to do lists (hopefully since apple only advertised Siri for music). Apple just hasn't really said much more about it or airplay. The one great thing is if the home pod does suck I can always sell it for 80+% of what I paid months later!!
 
The storage is reserved for the system. My understanding is that for the original use case to play locally stored audio files, the system maintains a collection of meta-tags for each track in the library; and a copy of this database resides on each player's volatile memory in order to maintain a responsive UI. You can view this library data by pointing your browser to:

http://192.168.x.x:1400/status/tracks_summary
(modify IP address for your LAN and player)

And with respect to the question of "has this storage increased", at least as far as user experience is concerned, I would guess "probably not". Otherwise the older hardware would not be able to keep up, and Sonos has already said they think the future is in streaming music. More and more people just subscribe to a service like Spotify or Apple Music rather than rip a bunch of CDs to audio files stored on a local network server (I still want to do the latter, but it's just so convenient to do the former...) so I would not expect a lot of change on that front.
 
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