Sonos Rumored to Be Planning Voice-Controlled Smart Speaker Similar to HomePod and Echo [Updated]

I've always felt Sonos was overpriced for what it is. HomePod is expensive too, but it has voice assistant and superior sound according to reports. There's also the Apple ecosystem, which works really well for those that prefer Apple services. I own a lot of electronics and I have a lot less headaches when it's tied to Apple.

Fair point. I got my play 1's before the price hike... in fact I got them from my apple store when they were still £139 each, and with a £30 iTunes card, so in reality £109 each. May think different if I had to buy at £199. However, I'm one the moon with the functionality and sound quality of them. I bought an echo dot on amazon prime day and I haven't even unwrapped it yet.
 
Did you mean to write that Sonos has the advantage here? They've had speakers out for almost a decade.

I thought Sonos was actively trying to migrate all their customers to Apple so they can shut down their operations.

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/254561-sonos-accept-new-privacy-policy-well-brick-device

I can't imagine Sonos will be selling very many speakers anymore.
[doublepost=1503943410][/doublepost]
Isn't that obvious? It doesn't have an Apple logo on it.;)

He putting down a well regarded, well reviewed, long-term established line of products as a group while proclaiming his readiness to buy a product that has not even been objectively reviewed yet from a company that is reaching outside of it's core strengths and leveraging a voice control system consistently frustrating even to the Apple faithful.\

To me, Sonos always seemed half-baked because they have a simple mode to mirror the audio to separate speakers (their whole home audio feature), there is no way to coordinate multiple speakers into a wiresless 5.1 or 7.1 sound system.

Just mirroring the music is trivial. I have done the same on my mac with multiple different brands of bluetooth speaker. Actually coordinating the speakers into multi-channel sound would be a more baked feature, but that would actually take work and R&D effort (like syncing the channels a lot more accurately than Sonos is capable of).

Adding a voice assistant to Sonos now is just an act of desperate panic on their part, they've failed miserably to develop a decent product, and their prices are absurd. Their only saving grace has been a lack of anyone else competing in the space. If Homepod is 1/10th as good as it's supposed to be at the $350, it will obliterate Sonos, and no voice assistant is going to save them.
 
I thought Sonos was actively trying to migrate all their customers to Apple so they can shut down their operations.

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/254561-sonos-accept-new-privacy-policy-well-brick-device

I can't imagine Sonos will be selling very many speakers anymore.
[doublepost=1503943410][/doublepost]

To me, Sonos always seemed half-baked because they have a simple mode to mirror the audio to separate speakers (their whole home audio feature), there is no way to coordinate multiple speakers into a wiresless 5.1 or 7.1 sound system.

Just mirroring the music is trivial. I have done the same on my mac with multiple different brands of bluetooth speaker. Actually coordinating the speakers into multi-channel sound would be a more baked feature, but that would actually take work and R&D effort (like syncing the channels a lot more accurately than Sonos is capable of).

Adding a voice assistant to Sonos now is just an act of desperate panic on their part, they've failed miserably to develop a decent product, and their prices are absurd. Their only saving grace has been a lack of anyone else competing in the space. If Homepod is 1/10th as good as it's supposed to be at the $350, it will obliterate Sonos, and no voice assistant is going to save them.

You truly have no idea what you are talking about. Sonos does not "mirror" the music, it plays it. Be it from local files or from online sources. The most impressive thing they invented was the ability to play the same source in multiple rooms at the same time in perfect sync. That may sound easy, It's not. Especially 10 years ago when they first did it. You are also totally wrong about not being able to do 5.1 sound. See the Playbar. The reason that Sonos has the price it does is that it works and does what customers want. It's been selling for over 10 years now as almost a cult like product. I don't see that changing. Adding Alexa control to it will only improve it. Not to mention, what will happen in the unannounced products that this article is about. By the way I do know what I'm talking about - I'm a Sonos owner.
 
To me, Sonos always seemed half-baked because they have a simple mode to mirror the audio to separate speakers (their whole home audio feature), there is no way to coordinate multiple speakers into a wiresless 5.1 or 7.1 sound system.

And there's nothing at all that says HomePod will do this, beyond some of "us" making up features that even Apple hasn't promoted to imply that these can do anything. Personally, I suspect if HomePod could be a replacement for Home Theater speakers, Apple would have talked that up. It would have clearly distinguished this from Echo and Google's product and more obviously make it competitors to not just Sonos but also many other home theater speaker providers at MUCH higher prices than HomePod and Sonos offerings. That message- even formally hinted- would have significantly fueled price acceptance AND had the early adopters imagining buying 5-6 HomePods at launch instead of 1 or 2. I suspect Apple would LOVE the idea of consumers already gearing up to pay 6X $349 instead of 1X or 2X $349... and all that would have taken was as little as a single slide, maybe a spoken sentence or two at the "big reveal, or even a single bullet on the slide."

Instead, Apple said NOTHING about this being a direct competitor for 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound speakers. We have just made that up as part of trying to imagine $349 as a bargain instead of trying to rationalize $349 vs. Echo, etc pricing.

Adding a voice assistant to Sonos now is just an act of desperate panic on their part, they've failed miserably to develop a decent product, and their prices are absurd.

Says who (that is objective)? Except for the more-to-most fanatic, many will argue that Alexa is superior-to-much superior to Siri. And it is already available in a "smart speaker" that costs a fraction of HomePod. And it has already been objectively reviewed outside of a controlled environment at HQ for entities that know that bad pre-reviews probably doesn't get them invited back again.

Their only saving grace has been a lack of anyone else competing in the space.

They've had many direct competitors but have generally been deemed best in their space. They do generally charge more than their direct competitors, but often the best charges (more) for the best (see Apple product pricing vs. direct competitors).

Their saving grace has been a system that works well... and works well with Apple products. Note that Apple HQ has opted to sell Sonos in Apple stores, so even Apple thinks the product is good enough to allocate precious retail space to Sonos products. Or are you saying Apple is wrong for opting to push a "failed miserably to develop a decent" product at "absurd" pricing in Apple's own stores?

Note also that "WE" and invited press have decided to imagine HomePod as a Sonos competitor, presumably because it's harder to mentally rationalize it as an Alexa Echo competitor at 2X (or more) the price. Nothing in Apple's presentation made it appear to be a direct competitor to Sonos. In fact, it looked more like Apple was positioning it as Echo Pro at "pro" pricing.

Apple's main justification argument at the event seemed to revolve around "better quality speaker" which, even if that proves to be objectively true, is about the easiest part to (quickly) replace in competitor offerings. Apple did NOT tout a significantly enhanced version of Siri or the 5.1 or 7.1 usage. So Apple's "saving grace" apparently revolves around brand loyalty and the tenuous spin of "better quality speaker." Hopefully, it brings more than that.

If Homepod is 1/10th as good as it's supposed to be at the $350, it will obliterate Sonos, and no voice assistant is going to save them.

Says who (that is objective)? We haven't even had ONE objective review yet. If sound is 1/10th as good as being superior to existing players (as claimed by Apple Marketing), I can't see how anyone could argue it sounds better than established players. I can't imagine there is a 90% quality fluff layer in the quality of sound for a 10% "as good" to actually be better. But we'll see, no HEAR that for ourselves soon enough.

All that said, we're generally Apple people here. So I get how much we want to believe that whatever Apple rolls out is the best by far. However, with this thing, we almost have NOTHING on which to base such adulation. Just as we won't take Amazon rolling out a new Echo and claiming it's speaker has been upgraded to 2X better than Apple's, we should not be so quick to blindly accept marketing claims as absolute fact. Nor should we be making up rationalizations that may or may not apply (like this ongoing spin about 5.1 or 7.1 speakers).

All we actually know right now is Apple is rolling out a speaker that THEY claim sounds better than the competition and that it appears to be something akin to an Echo pro. We can hope that it brings much more than that but hope doesn't automatically mean Siri will be smarter... or these can sync up and work as 5.1 or 7.1, etc. I'll hope it does all these added things some of us have been postulating, further hoping Apple chose to keep the distinguishing "magic" secret for some reason until closer to public launch.
 
Last edited:
And there's nothing at all that says HomePod will do this, beyond some of "us" making up features that even Apple hasn't promoted to imply that these can do anything.

I'm not making up features at all. You asked why Sonos seemed half-baked, there's my answer. Sonos markets itself as a high end home audio system, and for that reason, imo it fails utterly. It has nothing to do with Apple.

Apple has already said 2 Homepods will work together to give you stereo.

Personally, I suspect if HomePod could be a replacement for Home Theater speakers,

And this is my point. Apple doesn't claim they're giving you home theatre. Sonos does. Therefore Sonos is half-baked at what they claim to do.

Instead, Apple said NOTHING about this being a direct competitor for 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound speakers. We have just made that up as part of trying to imagine $349 as a bargain instead of trying to rationalize $349 vs. Echo, etc pricing.

I haven't made that up and I actually haven't seen others make it up either. Why do you think what Apple does or doesn't do in 2017 has anything to do with what Sonos has been doing for 10+ years?

Sonos was half-baked in 2010, and it's half-baked in 2017. I told you why I feel that way. Apple entering the space (or not really competing with Sonos as you suggest) has no impact on that.
 
Sonos has always felt half baked to me. I waited 5 years for Sonos to get their act together and to release something truly compelling. I'm glad I never bought into the Sonos ecosystem and I'll be buying the HomePod on day 1.

You can't post that without explaining. What's so compelling about HomePort (that hasn't come out yet)? The logo?
 
I owned Apple HiFi and saw how they ditched their speaker efforts. Now they are coming out with a speaker which is tied to probably the worst smart assistant available right now. Awesome Apple! HomePod can't compete with Sonos since Sonos is not a single product its ecosystem of different speakers. You have the the Plays, the sub, TV thingies, Connect and Connect:Amp etc. Any Sonos speaker can work individually or they can be part of group, be it stereo pair, 5.1 system or just part of sound source covering the whole living space. The most important part is that Sonos knows how to support their products. In matter of fact Sonos Connect bought 12 years ago has exactly the same features as Connect bought today. Yep, all that online streaming with every single service provider you can think of etc. What Sonos does is they update or more like upgrade all of their products so even the very old ones have the latest features. They are awesome! Apple HomePod is just poor mans Sonos system lacking almost every feature that makes Sonos truly amazing system.
 
The future looks bleak for Sonos.

There's just too much competition now in this space.

The HomePod will be HUGE. I'm buying two of them.
Amazon's Echo will eventually fall to third place behind Apple and Google.
 
The future looks bleak for Sonos.

There's just too much competition now in this space.

The HomePod will be HUGE. I'm buying two of them.
Amazon's Echo will eventually fall to third place behind Apple and Google.
How does one speaker spell doom for Sonos? You do know Sonos offers five different speakers and a sub, right? Not to mention the connect that makes turns regular speakers into Sonos-compatible speakers. It will be years before Apple gets to that level, if that's even what they intend on doing.
 
Sonos is unaffected by Amazon Echo, Google Home, or Apple's future HomePod...I don't even think HomePod will even replace a typical surround sound system for your living room - it will merely integrate with it from time to time. At this point I don't even know why someone would spend $350 on a connected speaker that doesn't integrate with your TV, movies, or game system?
 
I'm not making up features at all. You asked why Sonos seemed half-baked, there's my answer. Sonos markets itself as a high end home audio system, and for that reason, imo it fails utterly. It has nothing to do with Apple.

So your opinion is a blanket fit? There are many Apple fans right on this site that thinks Sonos is excellent... far from half-baked and far from "failing utterly". You are of course welcome to your own opinion but not everyone agrees with you.

Apple has already said 2 Homepods will work together to give you stereo.

Yes, but they said nothing about the 5.1 or 7.1 you implied. iDevices can do stereo too but I don't see any way that they can automatically be replacement for 5.1 or 7.1 speaker system.

And this is my point. Apple doesn't claim they're giving you home theatre. Sonos does. Therefore Sonos is half-baked at what they claim to do.

Sonos DOES have actual solutions for 5.1 theater. See: http://www.sonos.com/en-us/products/wireless-home-theater?utm_campaign=BING_US_EN_SONOS_B_THEATER & SURROUND SOUND_EXACT_360i&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_content=BING_US_EN_SONOS_B_THEATER & SURROUND SOUND_EXACT_360i&utm_term=sonos home theater&gclid=CNCLzJXg-tUCFYgpGQod1jUNNQ&gclsrc=ds

HomePod only has people like you implying that it can do 5.1, even though Apple has made no such claim at all.

Of course, I could object to Sonos claiming 5.1 with a sound bar covering the (traditionally) 3 front speakers myself BUT I can even more so object to implying that HomePods can be real 5.1 or 7.1 when we've seen nothing to say that... and Apple themselves didn't take the opportunity to whip up interest in buying 6 Homepods by even including a bullet point on a slide.


Again, you are completely welcome to have your own opinion. But implying Apple features that even Apple didn't claim doesn't make it so, nor does bashing a newly crowned competitor to Apple doesn't automatically make them "failed miserably to develop a decent product", nor make their prices "absurd" anymore than someone might take a similar shot at HomePod and claim it's a very expensive Echo with an inferior voice control system. Writing it down doesn't make it any more true- just speculation.

I do hope Homepods are the best speakers ever rolled out. I hope they can do 5.1 and 7.1 surround better than ANY 5.1 or 7.1 surround speakers available. I even hope they can heal the sick and raise the dead. But we all should wait and see... and HEAR... what they can actually do before we crown them best against those already in the market and already well liked and well (objectively) reviewed. Right now, we know practically nothing tangible about them not spun by Apple Marketing and select friends of Apple Marketing trying them out for just minutes in an Apple-controlled environment with Apple-selected examples.
 
Voice control is rapidly becoming a commodity feature.

It's good that Sonos is upgrading their lineup because the Play 1 and 3 are getting really long in the tooth.

Why, they only have one purpose, to play music. They do this very well.
 
How does one speaker spell doom for Sonos? You do know Sonos offers five different speakers and a sub, right? Not to mention the connect that makes turns regular speakers into Sonos-compatible speakers. It will be years before Apple gets to that level, if that's even what they intend on doing.

It's not one speaker it's stout competition.

The Bose SoundTouch 300 is demolishing the Playbar. It's $150 to add legacy systems to the ST system via a small audio bridge

Heos is available in sub $500 AV Receivers.

Bluesound sounds better

Chrome cast audio rules the roost for cheapskates.

When iOS 11 ships an Apple TV connected to an amp delivers what the Sonos Connect does.

I don't hate Sonos, they created this market but the big boys are taking over now
 
:D :D had my glasses parked atop my head and mis-read the thread title...

I thought it said "[George] Soros rumored to be planning to..."

nm, carry on. whew, that would have made some waves all right... in another forum...
 
You can't post that without explaining. What's so compelling about HomePort (that hasn't come out yet)? The logo?

I explained in my latest post. I think Sonos has a nice setup, but it's a bit expensive for what it is IMO. I understand they didn't have competition really, so they could charge those prices. Ultimately, I decided not to get it.
 
This seperates Sonos from the others...."The Sonos speaker will support "multiple voice platforms and music services," but the filing didn't specify which assistants and services that might be." As it should be and how Sonos got to where they are today, nice sound many music apps supported. Having music options great for us consumers. I have enjoyed my Echo's for close to two years now. Waiting on Apple an option but, in today's market place, nice to have choices and a bonus, they work across multiple music offerings.
 
It's not one speaker it's stout competition.

The Bose SoundTouch 300 is demolishing the Playbar. It's $150 to add legacy systems to the ST system via a small audio bridge

Heos is available in sub $500 AV Receivers.

Bluesound sounds better

Chrome cast audio rules the roost for cheapskates.

When iOS 11 ships an Apple TV connected to an amp delivers what the Sonos Connect does.

I don't hate Sonos, they created this market but the big boys are taking over now
Pump the brakes about demolishing Sonos, it was estimated Sonos pulled in $2B in FY2016 and they are only in 1 product category...Bose did $3.5B in a variety of different product verticals
 
Pump the brakes about demolishing Sonos, it was estimated Sonos pulled in $2B in FY2016 and they are only in 1 product category...Bose did $3.5B in a variety of different product verticals

Sonos is still the marquee vendor in multi-room but Bose is making inroads. Sonos will struggle a bit when Airplay2 comes because they don't have support.
 
Sonos is still the marquee vendor in multi-room but Bose is making inroads. Sonos will struggle a bit when Airplay2 comes because they don't have support.
Why would Sonos need Airplay2? Sonos has an Apple Music app, and every other major misic app out there.
 
Why would Sonos need Airplay2? Sonos has an Apple Music app, and every other major misic app out there.

Because Airplay 2 is the key to HomeKit integration.

65% of smartphone owners own an Android device, support for AirPlay2 is insignificant.

Even if iOS an Android were equal that 35% percent would be anything but insignificant. Being that fact that Apple disproportionately dominates ASP a vendor needs to pay special attention to the buying demographics of each respective platform. Apple devices cost more thus attracted more affluent customers. That's who you want to sell a house full of speakers to.
 
Because Airplay 2 is the key to HomeKit integration.



Even if iOS an Android were equal that 35% percent would be anything but insignificant. Being that fact that Apple disproportionately dominates ASP a vendor needs to pay special attention to the buying demographics of each respective platform. Apple devices cost more thus attracted more affluent customers. That's who you want to sell a house full of speakers to.

Why would Sonos need HomeKit intagration? They play music from apps and audio from TV's. They also have the ability to stream iTunes libraries as well as many other libraries.
 
Why would Sonos need HomeKit intagration? They play music from apps and audio from TV's. They also have the ability to stream iTunes libraries as well as many other libraries.

How do you Integrate Sonos into affordable Home Automation? If you have a Crestron or Control4 setup no problem but those are expensive systems.

Scenario:

Customer comes in looking for a whole house audio system. You can sell any system but if that person is part of a Mac ecosystem suddenly the Bose, Denon/Marantz, Bluesound setups have an advantage because they can become part of a Airplay2 multi-room setup. This is key because Airplay doesn't do 5.1/7.1 surround sound but you will be able to buy multi-room systems that do and also support Airplay2. That's a powerful setup.

In addition because Airplay 2 speakers are supported by HomeKit audio audio playback to HomeKit scenes is now possible. If it works you have a solution that previously costed thousands of dollars now achievable spending hundreds. That's a game changer.
 
How do you Integrate Sonos into affordable Home Automation? If you have a Crestron or Control4 setup no problem but those are expensive systems.

Scenario:

Customer comes in looking for a whole house audio system. You can sell any system but if that person is part of a Mac ecosystem suddenly the Bose, Denon/Marantz, Bluesound setups have an advantage because they can become part of a Airplay2 multi-room setup. This is key because Airplay doesn't do 5.1/7.1 surround sound but you will be able to buy multi-room systems that do and also support Airplay2. That's a powerful setup.

In addition because Airplay 2 speakers are supported by HomeKit audio audio playback to HomeKit scenes is now possible. If it works you have a solution that previously costed thousands of dollars now achievable spending hundreds. That's a game changer.
A homekit enabled speaker doesn't solve a customer problem and it doesn't make things easier either. Its easiest to press the power button on your remote.

So lets get this straight, you are okay with watching a movie through your TV speakers and yet have a $350 speaker sitting right there doing nothing because it doesn't integrate into your system?! You do know with an AppleTV you can AirPlay music to the traditional system you currently have..."But HomePod has Siri" what the F will Siri be able to do that your phone cannot do? ...So I just don't get what problem the HomePod is solving! Please tell me, I'd love to know.
 
A homekit enabled speaker doesn't solve a customer problem and it doesn't make things easier either. Its easiest to press the power button on your remote.

So lets get this straight, you are okay with watching a movie through your TV speakers and yet have a $350 speaker sitting right there doing nothing because it doesn't integrate into your system?! You do know with an AppleTV you can AirPlay music to the traditional system you currently have..."But HomePod has Siri" what the F will Siri be able to do that your phone cannot do? ...So I just don't get what problem the HomePod is solving! Please tell me, I'd love to know.

Well it depends on what the client wants and values. There's no wireless system that is truly easy. Things happen.

Jacob you are soooo close. The power isn't in being able to Airplay "to" the TV the power is in the reverse. Even today you can go into the Apple TV settings and set the ATV output to whatever Airplay speaker you want. What Airplay2 does is supercharge this feature by keeping two or more speakers in sync (we'll see how effective it is because this type of audio sync is difficult when video playback is tossed into the equation).

A common wish from clients is the ability to be in the kitchen preparing and be able to hear what is playing on the TV without cranking the volume up at the TV. Lots of people installed small TV nearby but what people really want is solid audio as TV are getting large enough to see across the room if there is visibility.

HomeKit isn't about making the process easy (relatively speaking) it's about being able to say "Good Morning Siri" and have your lights come on and classical music or NPR start playing on the kitchen speaker while you get your coffee poured into your chemex.

I can do that for you right now if you want to give me 7 grand or so or your can wait 9 months and do it for $1500. Or if that's not your ideal of tranquility then $0. The point is the option to build these scenarios is going to drive competition in this space.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Back
Top