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I've just bought a soundbar. I was looking at all the various options - Sonos, Bose, Yamaha, Denon, even DTS play-fi.

Sonos's offerings were a bit of a turn-off as , whilst their products seem solid - you're paying a lot to enter a closed ecosystem that doesn't seem to be evolving at the same pace as it's competitors (sound familiar?). $1,000 (aus) for a playbar without sub, that doesn't have HDMI, ARC, bluetooth or broad tv remote support.... is madness. Although to be fair, I think Sonos point to this slow update cycle and call it "an established product line".

DTS Play-fi was most interesting as it seems to be being supported by increasing numbers of audio equipment companies - and so allows you to choose the hardware that fits, while still remaining compatible. Still very early days though.

I looked at what the rumors were about the homepod and apple TV - with a view to waiting to see what they brought out - but I'm beginning to be reluctant to put all my eggs in Apple's basket. Over the last 10 years they have spectacularly failed to deliver in the "living-room" space - I hope the homepod represents a change of attitude, and is not just going to be a hobby for them. Whatever they do, given how slowly Apple seem to be moving these days - it's likely to be years before their home audio range can complete with a system that you can build from other companies offerings today.

Always amusing to see people fully buying into the Apple hype before knowing almost anything about the product! I used to be somewhat like that, but these days am more inclined to keep an open mind. I do think apple will sell a butt-load of homepods though - mostly to people who just want to be able to play stuff from their phone/iPad. Using it basically as an expensive bluetooth speaker.

Lol at Apple being "first to market" with the homepod. How is this anything other than an Echo with slicker marketing? Siri had a 3 year head start on Alexa...... how is that going?

As others have said, I think what's most likely here is that Sonos will be launching a range of speakers (or updates to existing models) that can integrate voice assistants via their app. It's a completely logical move given the success of the echo. I expect they will be looking to support all the main players, but if I was Sonos, I would be looking to partner heavily with Amazon - particularly now that Apple have signaled their intention to move back into Audio hardware.
 
Well it depends on what the client wants and values. There's no wireless system that is truly easy. Things happen.

Jacob you are soooo close. The power isn't in being able to Airplay "to" the TV the power is in the reverse. Even today you can go into the Apple TV settings and set the ATV output to whatever Airplay speaker you want. What Airplay2 does is supercharge this feature by keeping two or more speakers in sync (we'll see how effective it is because this type of audio sync is difficult when video playback is tossed into the equation).

A common wish from clients is the ability to be in the kitchen preparing and be able to hear what is playing on the TV without cranking the volume up at the TV. Lots of people installed small TV nearby but what people really want is solid audio as TV are getting large enough to see across the room if there is visibility.

HomeKit isn't about making the process easy (relatively speaking) it's about being able to say "Good Morning Siri" and have your lights come on and classical music or NPR start playing on the kitchen speaker while you get your coffee poured into your chemex.

I can do that for you right now if you want to give me 7 grand or so or your can wait 9 months and do it for $1500. Or if that's not your ideal of tranquility then $0. The point is the option to build these scenarios is going to drive competition in this space.
I do all of that now - I have Sonos speakers in 5 rooms (including the kitchen), I use Alexa, Harmony One Remote, iHome outlets, Hue bulbs, and August locks...all of that is not $7K total...And the system is easy to use. I appreciate the comment but your value proposition for HomePod doesn't resonate, I doubt people will spend $250-$300 more per speaker to have only a Siri integration, in addition you will have to get rid of your current somewhat expensive system. I am an Apple fanboy through and through but I still don't see it. If the HomePod had other capabilities than I would say yeah I get it, like; several HomePods have wifi built in to strengthen mesh wireless networks or capabilities to hook up to your television and listen to tv audio...Have you even used HomeKit? It's the only app on my iPhone that doesn't offer a force touch shortcut command on home screen. HomeKit seems very half baked to me and I think thats why there's less confidence from manufacturers to use it vs. using Alexa.
 
Existing Sonos users have little to worry about. However for new users Sonos being the slam dunk option is no longer there. The power of Airplay2 is that I don't need a HomePod for every speaker I just need one and then augment my home with Airplay2 speakers and all of this works nicely with Siri and HomeKit (theoretically)

Alexa is good but they'll be third within 2 years to Apple and Google. Amazon doesn't own an OS which puts them at a severe disadvantage.
 
I'd disagree with anyone claiming sonos are in trouble because if the arrival of the Homepod. Sonos' biggest challenge is their own lack of development, odd hardware choices (home cinema without DTS or HD audio at that cost) and recently elevated worldwide pricing.

The hardware is great. My biggest concern is they lose Apple Music new features (already behind iOS 10 features) at which point I would probably jump to Spotify over buying an Apple branded speaker to replace each Sonos. This is a product that was released in 2005 and is still supported and competitive. Assuming Apple can just jump into the market with Siri as it's main sales driver is optimistic in my opinion. Siri is not the sales draw they think it is.
 
Voice control is rapidly becoming a commodity feature.

It's good that Sonos is upgrading their lineup because the Play 1 and 3 are getting really long in the tooth.
How so? I used to have early 1970 Klipsch Cornwall’s. Best speaker I ever had. Didn’t care that they were over 25 yeas old.

Just curious. Never heard someone say that before about a speaker. Voice control for playing music seems, to me, kind of a pain. Of course I typically listen to live concerts
 
How so? I used to have early 1970 Klipsch Cornwall’s. Best speaker I ever had. Didn’t care that they were over 25 yeas old.

Just curious. Never heard someone say that before about a speaker. Voice control for playing music seems, to me, kind of a pain. Of course I typically listen to live concerts

Real speakers last as long as their cone and surrounds stay intact. I'm a Klipsch fan myself and have two actives next to my screen. The Sonos speakers are nice but from an audio perspective they won't even be on a level like Klipsch.

To be fair none of the multi-room systems i've heard approach the quality of passive speakers amplified. Most people don't know that Sonos does huge business from integrators who will build homes with in-wall and ceiling high end speakers like B&W and then create Sonos Zones via the connects.
 
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Real speakers last as long as their cone and surrounds stay intact. I'm a Klipsch fan myself and have two actives next to my screen. The Sonos speakers are nice but from an audio perspective they won't even be on a level like Klipsch.

To be fair none of the multi-room systems i've heard approach the quality of passive speakers amplified. Most people don't know that Sonos does huge business from integrators who will build homes with in-wall and ceiling high end speakers like B&W and then create Sonos Zones via the connects.
Makes sense. I just expect a speaker to do one thing. Make noise.
 
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Once HomePod comes out, Sonos and Alexa are gone from my home. Except for the play bar since Apple TV will convert it into AirPlay 2.

However Sonos had a chance but decided to not follow thru with Sonos partnering up with Alexa. They announced a whole video about their partnership last year but it never happened. Shame.
Hope you like Apple Music. With home pod, that's your only option.
 
That Sonos app though... ugh.

Airplay 2 will be nice because it allows OS level integration, which means you won’t be bound to that craptastic thing and instead use individual apps for playback.
 
That Sonos app though... ugh.

Airplay 2 will be nice because it allows OS level integration, which means you won’t be bound to that craptastic thing and instead use individual apps for playback.
Spotify Connect handles that.

And substandard quality without a dedicated wi-fi network
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Only for native direct streaming to the speaker. Since it's airplay it'll accept whatever you send from another device.
Again, music quality suffers. Unless Homepod is going to go fetch a link like Chromecast, Sonos, you're experience is substandard. You don't want this to tax your phone. You want your phone to say "play this song until I stop you" on any services. You don't want your phone to say "Here, play what I'm playing"

Apple Music will integrate correctly in Homepod, but the rest of the music services will not.
 
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Spotify Connect handles that.

Well, if you're using Spotify.

And that's the beauty of AirPlay 2, if your app already supports Airplay, adding support is minimal. It's not a system that needs to be built for others.
 
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The Sonos app is superior to the poor Airplay music experience centered on your phone.

This superior experience you speak of? Haven't had something yet smooth with the Sonos app.
It doesn't support correct cataloging of content from services (biggest complaint, Apple Music/iTunes library fragmented, playlists randomly broken or missing content, etc; same with Spotify, same with Soundcloud).
The general feel is much like a an app wrapped in web view, along with that degree of latency with any action. I love to see alphabetical lists with items not in the correct space! Or having to Google how to even get services working (even though they're in the sidebar, no dialog explaining how to get it working).
Not to mention, it lacks the ability to actually troubleshoot your system in the event of an oddity; while I don't expect this from Airplay at all, I do expect it from a vendor app.

Anyway, you can blah blah all day to me, audio heads do. But overall: subpar experience here.
 
This superior experience you speak of? Haven't had something yet smooth with the Sonos app.
It doesn't support correct cataloging of content from services (biggest complaint, Apple Music/iTunes library fragmented, playlists randomly broken or missing content, etc; same with Spotify, same with Soundcloud).
The general feel is much like a an app wrapped in web view, along with that degree of latency with any action. I love to see alphabetical lists with items not in the correct space! Or having to Google how to even get services working (even though they're in the sidebar, no dialog explaining how to get it working).
Not to mention, it lacks the ability to actually troubleshoot your system in the event of an oddity; while I don't expect this from Airplay at all, I do expect it from a vendor app.

Anyway, you can blah blah all day to me, audio heads do. But overall: subpar experience here.
Until your phone dies, turns off, or does whatever else that causes airplay to disconnect. Airplay is a terrible experience.
 
Until your phone dies, turns off, or does whatever else that causes airplay to disconnect. Airplay is a terrible experience.

It's not perfect, don't get me wrong. But I could probably name a positive for every negative and thankfully they're fixing a lot of those annoyances with the expansion in iOS 11. But really: I'm talking about Sonos here.

And the Sonos experience is downright terrible for me. Would not invest in their system with software state like that in 2017. Nothing you can say is going to change that.
 
It's not perfect, don't get me wrong. And thankfully they're fixing a lot of that with the expansion in iOS 11.

But Sonos experience is downright terrible for me. Would not invest in their system with software state like that in 2017.
It's not even passable, honestly.

Sonos expandability is unmatched. The sound quality is incredible for wireless AND it supports hundreds of services without handicapping your phone, getting notification sounds over your whole sound system, etc. Plus, with Sonosnet, you get a private, reliable wifi network for best listening experience.

You can worship the  all you want, but it won't be close to the Sonos experience, especially with the Alexa integration launching in October.
 
You can worship the  all you want, but it won't be close to the Sonos experience, especially with the Alexa integration launching in October.

Dude what. I'm looking at HomePod and Airplay 2 solutions as a viable alternative? It's not even something I've used lol. Hardly worship.

In this case it sounds a lot like you can't stand the fact that someone doesn't just gush over your beloved Sonos. Sorry, I wasn't the one that blew that first impression, Sonos was and I told you why.
 
Hope you like Apple Music. With home pod, that's your only option.
I do use Apple Music.

However if you use Sonos then you can still use Spotify with HomePod. As it is an AirPlay 2 speaker. Also it’s better than having to use a 3rd party app to control playback unlike AirPlay 2 that’s built into Control Center
 
I do use Apple Music.

However if you use Sonos then you can still use Spotify with HomePod. As it is an AirPlay 2 speaker. Also it’s better than having to use a 3rd party app to control playback unlike AirPlay 2 that’s built into Control Center
Again, that's not the same solution. Airplay 2 uses the phone as a crutch. What you want is the device to grab a link from the internet so you can turn off, disconnect, or do whatever to your iPhone.
 
Again, that's not the same solution. Airplay 2 uses the phone as a crutch. What you want is the device to grab a link from the internet so you can turn off, disconnect, or do whatever to your iPhone.

No the Airplay would come from my Apple TV which is always powered and never interrupted by phone calls.
 



Sonos is gearing up to launch an all-new smart speaker that includes voice control functionality fueled by far-field microphones, picking up on user commands from anywhere in a room. The information was discovered in a filing with the FCC (via Zatz Not Funny), and hints that Sonos could be yet another company planning to enter the smart speaker market, following Amazon, Google, and Apple this December with HomePod.

The Sonos speaker will support "multiple voice platforms and music services," but the filing didn't specify which assistants and services that might be. Sonos has recently been gearing up for a wide integration with Amazon Echo, so Alexa could be a possibility. Sonos products are sold at Apple's retail and online stores, but that's not exactly an indication that a new Sonos voice-enabled speaker would include Siri support, especially since such a high-end music speaker would be a direct competitor to HomePod come December.

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HomePod's various Apple Music commands


Zatz Not Funny
theorized that the FCC filing hints at a "refresh of their [Sonos's] entire speaker line," as well as a touch surface or button of some kind to activate the voice assistant. Otherwise, the report is heavily redacted, leaving details sparse. The snippet referencing the new Sonos speaker reads as follows:
A Variety report earlier in August suggested a similar product might be launching from Sonos soon, with changes to the company's privacy policy appearing to lay the groundwork for an internet-connected, voice assistant speaker of some kind. A private beta test is currently underway for users to test controlling Sonos speakers through Amazon Echo devices, but a Sonos spokesperson confirmed to Variety that its privacy policy now covers "future voice experiences" on its own unreleased products that will have "integrated microphones."

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An image of the Sonos voice speaker's control panel, including a microphone icon


According to this policy, the unannounced Sonos speaker will continuously monitor the ambient noise of a home for command terminology spoken by the user, "without retaining or transmitting any voice recordings." The device will notify the user that it is recording thanks to a "visual indicator such as a light on the Product."

If Sonos does enter the smart speaker market, it'll be at a busy time for new voice-controlled home speakers. Amazon is rumored to be working on an Echo successor that would more directly compete with Apple's HomePod. Because Apple billed the HomePod as a high-quality music playback device first and foremost, sources close to Amazon's product development have mentioned that the company is focusing on significantly improving the Echo's sound quality, as well as enhancing its far-field voice technology.

Update 8/29: Sonos has sent out media invitations for an event on October 4. The invite includes artwork related to a mouth, hinting that the company's voice-controlled smart speaker could debut at that time.

Article Link: Sonos Rumored to Be Planning Voice-Controlled Smart Speaker Similar to HomePod and Echo [Updated]
Sonos you are soon to be not welcomed in the Apple Stores
 
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