OS X Dude
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Actually, if you didnt remove the part where I said "MS has made Vista user friendly" from that quote you wouldn't look quite so stupid. Take your own advice and think before you type 🙄
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Sony Vaio Z Series Vs. MacBook Pro
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Actually, if you didnt remove the part where I said "MS has made Vista user friendly" from that quote you wouldn't look quite so stupid. Take your own advice and think before you type 🙄
Too funny. You failed reading comprehension and now you're trying to change the subject so as not to look more foolish than you already do. Shame.
The part where you claimed 'Vista has been made user friendly' wasn't relevant to your purported disagreement with me (which was your silly claim that I ignored usability for looks).
It was relevant to your disagreement with yourself. Since it was you -- not me -- who is making a big deal of function before form, I mentioned Aero as an example of Vista prioritizing form over function. (This is where you contradict yourself when you blabber about function preceding form, since Vista does exactly the opposite with Aero.)
You've pwned yourself twice already. I suggest you stop digging. 😛
The part where you claimed 'Vista has been made user friendly' wasn't relevant to your purported disagreement with me (which was your silly claim that I ignored usability for looks).
It was relevant to your disagreement with yourself. Since it was you -- not me -- who is making a big deal of function before form, I mentioned Aero as an example of Vista prioritizing form over function. (This is where you contradict yourself when you blabber about function preceding form, since Vista does exactly the opposite with Aero.)
You've pwned yourself twice already. I suggest you stop digging. 😛
OS X Dude
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It's clear you don't work in a field where basic understanding of English is necessary, or you'd be out on your ass in a day.
Err... yes it was relevant. Only you chose to edit that bit out didn't you, and pretend i'd never said it? Well, the original post is up for you to re-read and understand kiddo 🙂
Windows was ALWAYS a function before form OS, only now Vista added the Aero engine to make it better looking. It is still as functional as ever, only they actually cared about graphics this time. You suggest that the Aero engine has put a greater emphasis on form in your post - which is incorrect.
From what I can see from your previous comments, like “Wintel machines are pieces of junk” and “all wintel machines are all equal” - which other posters have shown how wrong they are - you seem to be a narrow-minded, opinionated idiot who has no experience in this field and don’t know what you’re on about - you just think you do. We’re here to help this guy out by giving balanced views. If you are only looking to start a Mac fanboy flame war, take your biased and inaccurate views elsewhere.
Tbh, i've got better things to do with my life than sit around on a Mac forum arguing with a faceless moron. Ergo, any replies you send will go blissfully ignored 🙂 i've helped the thread starter out as much as I can, I think he knows what he wants anyway now. And to him, I say enjoy your purchase.
Says the imbecile who because of his poor reading skills thought I was basing my impressions solely on looks:
When I wrote the exact opposite earlier:
You mean "its looks" and not "it's looks" btw -- that's another embarrassing error you've made. English might not be my native language, but it appears that I have a better grasp of it than you do. Second, seeing as I only switched from Windows this week (something I made clear in my first post) I cannot be accused of being a Mac fanboy. If anything, I'm far more experienced on Windows than on a Mac. So you're wrong. Again.
Finally, Aero is form without discernable function. The fact that it's a memory hogger and that it doesn't run on lesser versions of Vista because it is unnecessary is proof of this. Aero is a pure example of form over function -- a system pervasive feature that is even turned off by most because it is eye candy and little else.
The only reason you're making one dumb comment after another is because I caught you misreading me earlier (excerpted above). If you'd manned up and taken it on the chin, you would have stopped digging long ago. Instead, your hurt pride and umbrage at my comments about Windows made you dig grimly on. It's hilarious really. 🙄
Hah, I wish this were the case. I'm definitely going to wait until mid-September, by then the Sony will have been reviewed and a new MBP might be out. I'm definitely going to hold Apple to some high standards this time around, though. When I bought my TiBook, it was a no-brainer. IMO, I couldn't get anything better for my money. The 17" PB G4 was a similar case.
It's still going to be a hard decision if the case design doesn't change. I'd like to see Apple knock off about a pound of weight even if it requires an increase in thickness to 1.2 or 1.3 inches.
Though I'm impressed by the Sony's 13" 1600x900 screen, I don't think anyone expects the screen size to drop on the MBP. But, a 15" 1680x1050 screen would be nice.
monkey86
macrumors 6502
lolz - fair enough we all thought you wanted to get on now - then it would have been a no brainer 🙂
but yeah even for the next mbp revision you wont get bluray - you might get different def screens but that will be an optional extra and the screen size wont change for sure.
im upgrading a 12" G4 with a 250Gb Hdd so im happy at the mo haha, waiting to get a high end when they figure out the gpu problems.
good luck tho 🙂
but yeah even for the next mbp revision you wont get bluray - you might get different def screens but that will be an optional extra and the screen size wont change for sure.
im upgrading a 12" G4 with a 250Gb Hdd so im happy at the mo haha, waiting to get a high end when they figure out the gpu problems.
good luck tho 🙂
Guess we'll have to disagree here. Got any real argument behind that?
You'd be one of the few.
I've used Windows XP for about five years, and while I don't love it (or particularly like it), I don't hate it, and it's not that bad. It's not terribly stable (OS X has been far, far more stable in my experience, even on unsupported hardware), but it isn't a bad OS.
Vista on the other hand is bloatware. There's a big reason a large percentage of windows users haven't adopted Vista, and they began selling Window XP with PCs again after they had discontinued doing so.
My dad's been using Vista coming from Windows 2000, and he hates it; slowdowns (Intel Core 2 HP Desktop), crashes, issues that cause him to restart, etc.
I've used it too, and it's none too great.
Windows 7 is coming sooner than expected because MS knows Vista sucks.
Sony has a 30 day, no restocking fee return policy if you buy from SonyStyle.com. There's really nothing like using a laptop for a few days to give you an idea if you want to keep it or not. Reviews generally don't help me much.
Don't expect Windows 7 anytime soon. When XP came out, no one adopted it either. XP sucked until SP2 came out.
Vista runs great if you have the hardware (Core 2 + 2gb ram). It's not slow at all and it never crashes on me. OSX (Leopard) freezes on me far more often than Vista. And the damn network browsing on Leopard is slow as molasses.
Sesshi
macrumors G3
What he said. And more.
No 'my dad this' or 'my brother that'. I buy all my own hardware - for play and for work - and I have a heck of a lot of it on both sides. And in my use, right now Vista is hands-down more reliable, not to mention more functional on a current desktop or a notebook. The choice boils down to looks, how much you (don't) know what you're doing in the first place, and this enduring myth of 'think different'.
I believe that there should ONE and ONLY ONE reason to purchase a mac and that is OS X. Its not the aesthetics, not the cool factor, not the exclusivity (not anymore atleast) and definitely not the apple logo!
All that really matters is OS X. An OS should be the only reason that decides what to purchase. I don't care if Sony put all the Z series features in $100 package; i still would not touch it with a 10 foot pole simply because i am sick and tired of the crap MSFT churns out every few years. Let them write the whole thing ground up and copy a lot more of OS X and then we can talk. Until then, NO thank you.
Oh and i wasn't exaggerating about the $100 Z series package. I really do dislike Windows that much.
All that really matters is OS X. An OS should be the only reason that decides what to purchase. I don't care if Sony put all the Z series features in $100 package; i still would not touch it with a 10 foot pole simply because i am sick and tired of the crap MSFT churns out every few years. Let them write the whole thing ground up and copy a lot more of OS X and then we can talk. Until then, NO thank you.
Oh and i wasn't exaggerating about the $100 Z series package. I really do dislike Windows that much.
mac is awesome bro, but don't stereotype all windows computers that way. you sound like a dumb fanboy.
This is one of the most pathetic thread I have ever read. It's full of crap.
If OSX is crashing on you, something is wrong. I restart my computer about once a month. Applications RARELY crash and I haven't had a kernel panic in well over a year.
Vista doesn't crash either. I run Vista just about every day and I can't tell you when the last time it crashed was. Sure applications will crash from time to time (I'm looking at you Firefox...), but overall, the system is very stable.
If you think Finder sucks, you need to learn how to use it.
If OSX is crashing on you, something is wrong. I restart my computer about once a month. Applications RARELY crash and I haven't had a kernel panic in well over a year.
Vista doesn't crash either. I run Vista just about every day and I can't tell you when the last time it crashed was. Sure applications will crash from time to time (I'm looking at you Firefox...), but overall, the system is very stable.
If you think Finder sucks, you need to learn how to use it.
Yeah, like changing a folder's view state behavior every time you open it because Finder doesn't remember it. That's not learning how to use it, that's "it sucks."
Mackilroy
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And obviously that's a problem with all Macs, because it happens to you, right?
It's never happened to me on any of my machines, or those of my friends and family. Does that mean it doesn't happen? Not at all. But I'm smart enough to recognize that Leopard sometimes has problems, instead of insisting a. it never does, or b. it always does. I don't use Vista, though that's more of that XP is very stable and runs smoothly for me (I use it to run various CAD programs) and I don't have much reason to upgrade.
Erm.... that definitely doesn't happen to me. It remembered it just fine in the Mac OS Classic days, too, stored in the invisible desktop database.
Like the above poster said, just because you can't get your computer to work right, doesn't mean no one else can.
I have to say that the Sony Viao Z series is a pretty nice looking computer. Aside from cosmetically beautiful it's got some good specs that def. show it's competing with the MBP line. I personally have a MBP and it's a wonderful machine does everything I need it to do and plenty more. But it's hard to compare a MAC and a PC, it's like comparing apple's and orange's there 2 different experiences in which you have to play to find out which better floats your boat. The only problem I can foresee is if you are new on MAC grounds and using the computer for work/school, the new OS change take's some getting used to and most likley it's time you don't have. If you do, take the plundge and regardless your choice, they are both 2 amazing computers.
For me it's about the operating system. If it doesn't run OSX, it's simply not an option. I'm not willing to go through the "Windows headache" just to save a few bucks.
That said, I have no attachment whatsoever to apple hardware. If I could buy a Sony Vaio or a Lenovo or a {insert other brand} with OSX* for significantly less $$ than an identically equipped MBP, I'd be all over it. Here's to hoping that Apple will someday license OSX to other hardware manufacturers.
*and it was a supported configuration, not a "hackintosh".
That said, I have no attachment whatsoever to apple hardware. If I could buy a Sony Vaio or a Lenovo or a {insert other brand} with OSX* for significantly less $$ than an identically equipped MBP, I'd be all over it. Here's to hoping that Apple will someday license OSX to other hardware manufacturers.
*and it was a supported configuration, not a "hackintosh".
II AndyG33 II
macrumors regular
Its amazing how every thread in this section of the forum ends up talking about that bs vid card!!!
god...
why cant montevina just come out tomorrow
so we can all buy our new computers and be happy
god...
why cant montevina just come out tomorrow
so we can all buy our new computers and be happy
TheMacBookPro
macrumors 68020
I agree with jmoh, that's a class-one fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I like Apple, but you DO sound like a dumb fanboy. I doubt you've actually used Vista, it's not bad at all.