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I like how this story states including the 70 grand model! For that much it shouldn’t even need to be reported and be the default.

Anyway this is pretty good, they support Alexa support already so the more platforms they support the merrier.

I really want a 4K OLED but really not sure a 55” will fit, then I read about LG making 48” panels and I’ve decided to wait..
 
You need a TV well over 120" to see a difference between 8K and 4K unless you're only sitting a couple feet away. And if you're sitting a couple feet away from a 100" display then you have deeper issues that I can't help you with. Not even to mention there isn't 8K content and you can't even get everything in 4K yet. What a pointless TV.
I've got about a 100" projector screen right now at 1080p and honestly it looks great from 15' away. I'm sure 4K would be a visible improvement, but until the prices of 4K projectors come down, we're getting great bang for the buck over here.
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Why pay $70K for a 98" TV when you can buy an 8K projector for $18K ? Image as large or larger. Also there are screens that reject ambient light so you can watch in bright rooms.
https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/09/11/71847/

But what content can you even watch in 8K right now? If I was putting together a fantasy projector setup, I'd find the brightest 4K projector I could get my hands on, with the best contrast and black levels -- those things have a huge impact on image quality. And I'd spend the $10K I was saving on other A/V equipment to round out the whole thing.
 
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Vizio, whose TVs I really didn't care for until I checked out and then purchased their M50-D1 in 2016, are now beta testing firmware that supposed AirPlay 2. I thought that was a generous move. My 3-year-old TV now has AirPlay. :)
 
Is Sony going to get the iTunes App too or is that just Samsung?
 
$70,000 TV? Apparently there are people than we know about who have more money than brains.
 
You need a TV well over 120" to see a difference between 8K and 4K unless you're only sitting a couple feet away. And if you're sitting a couple feet away from a 100" display then you have deeper issues that I can't help you with. Not even to mention there isn't 8K content and you can't even get everything in 4K yet. What a pointless TV.

Speak for yourself, there is 8K content and a boatload of 4K. Problem is you're looking in the wrong places or have no interest in videos/shows available in that resolution. It's normal in my neck of the woods.
 
Hmmmm... should I buy one $70,000 TV? Or 70 $1,000 TVs?

If you want one of the highest quality 100" (ok 98") displays without the limitations of a projector (namely dark room only) you don't have much of a choice. This is obviously only for CEOs, A-list celebrities and heirs. These models always special orders.
 
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Speak for yourself, there is 8K content and a boatload of 4K. Problem is you're looking in the wrong places or have no interest in videos/shows available in that resolution. It's normal in my neck of the woods.
Okay, have fun sitting a couple feet away from your $70,000 98" 8K TV. You are completely normal and there is nothing wrong with you.

You do know that sitting on your couch and being able to discern between 8K and 4K resolution on a TV on your wall of only 98" is beyond human capability, right? Are you superhuman?
 
You need a TV well over 120" to see a difference between 8K and 4K unless you're only sitting a couple feet away. And if you're sitting a couple feet away from a 100" display then you have deeper issues that I can't help you with. Not even to mention there isn't 8K content and you can't even get everything in 4K yet. What a pointless TV.

This is simply false and it's blatantly obvious that anyone who says this doesn't own a 4K set. The same crap was said about 1080p when they were going for substantial premiums over 720p and 1366x768 plasmas.

A 55" 4K set at a viewing distance of 8-10' is enough to see substantial benefits. Don't forget that it's not just about 4K resolution, but 10-bit color and HDR. The difference DV/HDR makes is HUGE. So big that you will try to avoid watching SDR content whenever possible.

I know that the first thing I look for is whether a movie or show has DV/HDR before making my choice. 4K and 1080p SDR content still look glorious on my LG C8 but once you get used to Dolby Vision and HDR10 w/dynamic tone mapping it's impossible to go back to a first gen 4K only TV (i.e. Sony 900B) or any 1080p TV.
 
But what content can you even watch in 8K right now? If I was putting together a fantasy projector setup, I'd find the brightest 4K projector I could get my hands on, with the best contrast and black levels -- those things have a huge impact on image quality. And I'd spend the $10K I was saving on other A/V equipment to round out the whole thing.

As a scientist who does a lot of data presentations, these giant flat panels have been a game changer. Projectors just can't do a good enough job, especially with fluorescence microscopy. We replaced a 4k projector with a 98" 4K panel a couple of years ago. It may seem superfluous, but when we're doing case reviews, or presenting any kind of scientific data, the difference has been dramatic.

Just sharing a real-world use, beyond the douchebag who needs an 8k tv in his man cave (to watch 720p football broadcasts)
 
I still want an "Apple TV Set". Full Apple Experience, and not some SmartTV running on Android.

LG runs webOS which is silky smooth. And Sony buys their OLED panels from LG. LG is the only panel manufacturer. Sony is always going to be more expensive because they're a Japanese company. The order is Japan > Korea > China in terms of price and that hasn't changed.

And you can have the full Apple experience with an ATV4K. If you never want to touch the internal apps you really don't have to.
 
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This is simply false and it's blatantly obvious that anyone who says this doesn't own a 4K set. The same crap was said about 1080p when they were going for substantial premiums over 720p and 1366x768 plasmas.

A 55" 4K set at a viewing distance of 8-10' is enough to see substantial benefits. Don't forget that it's not just about 4K resolution, but 10-bit color and HDR. The difference DV/HDR makes is HUGE. So big that you will try to avoid watching SDR content whenever possible.

I know that the first thing I look for is whether a movie or show has DV/HDR before making my choice. 4K and 1080p SDR content still look glorious on my LG C8 but once you get used to Dolby Vision and HDR10 w/dynamic tone mapping it's impossible to go back to a first gen 4K only TV (i.e. Sony 900B) or any 1080p TV.
What does this have to do with HDR and 10-bit color? You're comparing old 1080p TVs to 4K, not 4K to 8K. Straw man argument.

Let's get back to reality and talk some real numbers based on real math and science. A human with 20/20 vision has a certain visual acuity of one arc minute. Beyond a certain resolution, they can no longer perceive a difference between pixels as they begin to blur together. There is a limit to human vision. A 55" 4K display has an ideal viewing distance of a little over 6ft. Any further and a perfect human specimen will not be able to tell a difference. If you have any sort of corrected vision (glasses, contacts) your numbers are likely to be worse, even corrected. Even so, assuming you have perfect vision, a little over 6ft between your couch and TV makes for a pretty small living room setup. Not ideal, but that's okay if that's what you're dealing with and you don't mind that. It's at least doable.

However, let's take things a step further with 8K. Remember—8K both doubles 4K resolution in both width and height. Factoring this in, a 98" 8K display is even worse than your 55" 4K TV. Much worse. The ideal viewing distance of a 98" 8K display is a little over 3ft. Any further away and it all blends together. Now you can argue all day if you want, and you can be sure that I won't respond—the fact of the matter is that you're wrong because these numbers are based on math and science. No amount of wishing is going to change that. Human vision at 20/20 cannot resolve anything more than one arc minute. These calculations are based on that reality, which are based on scientific observation and testing. Science and math always come out on top. To achieve the same visual acuity as your 55" 4K TV, you would need approximately a 190" 8K TV if you were sitting a little over 6ft away. For now 8K TVs are utterly pointless, worthless, marketing jargon for people who don't know the difference between a pixel and a pica. There is no reason to have one in your living room and are only even coming close to being useful for large desktop displays that you sit close to. But even in that situation I'm not convinced that it's worth it because you'd need a 48" 8K display at a distance of approximately 18" at your desk and the viewing angle for that sounds neck-breaking painful.

As for content, where is it? Japan? I know NHK that has an 8K stream and will broadcast the 2020 Olympics in 8K. Good for them, there is that one thing plus some videos on Vimeo. But show me a link to buy or stream an actual real 8K movie. And no, some random Vimeo link by some independent studio short film project doesn't count. I'll be waiting.

TL;DR: 8K displays are pointless until wall-sized displays are widely available without needing to take out a second mortgage. The human eye at 20/20 can't resolve beyond one arc minute and therefore can't tell the difference between a 98" 8K and 4K TV unless you're about 3ft away. There is no content and the price is ridiculous. 8K TVs are an excellent way for fools to part with their money.
 
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How is this giving up on Apple TV? Did Roku give up on Rokus by doing the same?

Your description of Apple's "thirst" for cash is just mindboggling. We don't even know that this is a paid service yet and here you are declaring they're trying to turn it into their life's blood.
Dude did you just.... miss their past keynote?? o_O:confused:
 
Considering the 2018 A8G is not supported I would have a hard time even considering buying a Sony with support that ended not even 5 months after a product releases. Especially when it's the same fast chip driving the two.

I'm sorry Sony, but you may have the bee's knees in motion handling and color look up, but LG is a darn close second option that gets me 98% of the way there and has a excellent UI for navigating.

I don't know one person who glows about Sony anymore considering they don't make their own panels, they don't support their product, and they load it up with bloatware to make the OS run like a dog. That's a hard pass.

Yeah, I got screwed on my 900E — the chip is more than capable of supporting DV, but Sony won’t allow it. But higher end models from 2017 did get it — they were dangled as DV ready sets and used as a reason for the consumers to upgrade for what otherwise wasn’t a significantly better set.
 
LG runs webOS which is silky smooth. And Sony buys their OLED panels from LG. LG is the only panel manufacturer. Sony is always going to be more expensive because they're a Japanese company. The order is Japan > Korea > China in terms of price and that hasn't changed.

And you can have the full Apple experience with an ATV4K. If you never want to touch the internal apps you really don't have to.

Apple TV 4K STB Requires two remote, one for Apple TV and one for the TV itself. I can't watch Aerial TV with Apple TV, which is still what everyone watches in the world apart from Amercia. And this requires me using the WebOS on a different remote.

Not to mention I have no idea what the WebOS / Andriod Apps on the TV are doing behind my back. I much rather prefer to have Apple taken care of that.
 
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As a scientist who does a lot of data presentations, these giant flat panels have been a game changer. Projectors just can't do a good enough job, especially with fluorescence microscopy. We replaced a 4k projector with a 98" 4K panel a couple of years ago. It may seem superfluous, but when we're doing case reviews, or presenting any kind of scientific data, the difference has been dramatic.

Just sharing a real-world use, beyond the douchebag who needs an 8k tv in his man cave (to watch 720p football broadcasts)

You make a good point. I was thinking of these options in an entertainment context, where usually you're watching video content in a fairly low-light environment.

Once you're out in a regular, fully lit environment, projector images tend to suffer a bit. The brightest projectors can cope with a lit room, but contrast starts to suffer -- and while that's OK for a football game it's going to wreck mission-critical data like yours.
 
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Yeah, I got screwed on my 900E — the chip is more than capable of supporting DV, but Sony won’t allow it. But higher end models from 2017 did get it — they were dangled as DV ready sets and used as a reason for the consumers to upgrade for what otherwise wasn’t a significantly better set.

The 900e is significantly better than what was the next step down 850e in 2017 (full local dimming backlight for instance). I went in to buy the A1E and walked out with the 900E because the 900e looked better on all of the demo content other than the 'space' video.

I too was told there would be a DV upgrade on the 900e, but at the time I couldn't get a confirmation from Sony and didn't believe it. Mostly because in early 2006 I bought the first 1080p Sony, a $5k KDS60XBR1. 1080p and Full HD stickers adorned it. Trouble is, there was no way to get 1080p into the set because it preceded the HDMI standards that provided for it (component video did not take 1080p and while the firewire connections could technically do it there weren't any source devices). There were rumors of a FW upgrade, but they never happened (instead it made it to the XBR2).
[doublepost=1556005662][/doublepost]All I see is another device that will need to be rebooted because Homekit got all out of sync. Making everything a hub is the main reason it never works correctly.
 
Not to mention I have no idea what the WebOS / Andriod Apps on the TV are doing behind my back. I much rather prefer to have Apple taken care of that.

On the flip side, you also don’t know what Apple is doing behind your back either :)
 
I’m still disappointed that Sony doesn’t offer a 4k master series caliber TV with LCD. There’s the A9G but I just can’t bring myself to move to oled. I do enough gaming that I’d worry about burn in. Not something I want to think about if I’m dropping $4k on a TV.
 
Hmmmm... should I buy one $70,000 TV? Or 70 $1,000 TVs?
Or 35 LG OLED 65' 2000$ TVs, I actually got one for 1,900$ and its amazing, C65' or whatever they call it.
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Looking forward to the day that I have enough disposable income that I can drop $70k on a TV. Not that I'd even drop $70k on a TV, just that that's gotta be a good spot to be in :rolleyes:
It's a good spot to be for sure but don't push it, you'd have to have time to use the TV instead of the yacht, private plane and all other cool stuff.
 
You need a TV well over 120" to see a difference between 8K and 4K unless you're only sitting a couple feet away. And if you're sitting a couple feet away from a 100" display then you have deeper issues that I can't help you with. Not even to mention there isn't 8K content and you can't even get everything in 4K yet. What a pointless TV.

I like how the same argument keeps repeating itself every time we shift resolution. 720P 1080 4K and now 8K and every single time people have the same old argument forgetting last time we all switched despite all the people saying nobody would see the difference.
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$70,000 TV? Apparently there are people than we know about who have more money than brains.
I've got a $16,000 Pioneer screen, still awesome after 12 years. $70K tv's are for people that buy $2million cars, or for professional use. You wouldn't believe what some people put in their houses and have removed / replaced 2 years later because they are bored with it.
 
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