Apple TV 4K STB Requires two remote, one for Apple TV and one for the TV itself. I can't watch Aerial TV with Apple TV, which is still what everyone watches in the world apart from Amercia. And this requires me using the WebOS on a different remote.
Not to mention I have no idea what the WebOS / Andriod Apps on the TV are doing behind my back. I much rather prefer to have Apple taken care of that.
Yes, DVB satellite. I’m half German and travel there all the time so I’m very familiar with how things are done outside America. The best part is being able to buy and use your own DVR with external HDDs which is simply not possible in America to record any pay TV content for transfer to a PC.
At least in America on my C8, the TV has a guide and guide button on the LG remote for OTA/cable/sat.
Remember that with HDMI-CEC you can control both the TV and ATV with either remote although not for all options.
As for data collection. Yes, they all do it but I don’t care if LG or Sony know what I’m watching. IMO its very different from FB and Google having access to your private photos, calendars, e-mails and contacts. This is unacceptable and a different story.
You can also turn off data collection on the LG but you will obviously not be able to use Google Assistant or Alexa if you do.
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What does this have to do with HDR and 10-bit color? You're comparing old 1080p TVs to 4K, not 4K to 8K. Straw man argument.
Let's get back to reality and talk some real numbers based on real math and science. A human with 20/20 vision has a certain visual acuity of one arc minute. Beyond a certain resolution, they can no longer perceive a difference between pixels as they begin to blur together. There is a limit to human vision. A 55" 4K display has an ideal viewing distance of a little over 6ft. Any further and a perfect human specimen will not be able to tell a difference. If you have any sort of corrected vision (glasses, contacts) your numbers are likely to be worse, even corrected. Even so, assuming you have perfect vision, a little over 6ft between your couch and TV makes for a pretty small living room setup. Not ideal, but that's okay if that's what you're dealing with and you don't mind that. It's at least doable.
However, let's take things a step further with 8K. Remember—8K both doubles 4K resolution in both width and height. Factoring this in, a 98" 8K display is even worse than your 55" 4K TV. Much worse. The ideal viewing distance of a 98" 8K display is a little over 3ft. Any further away and it all blends together. Now you can argue all day if you want, and you can be sure that I won't respond—the fact of the matter is that you're wrong because these numbers are based on math and science. No amount of wishing is going to change that. Human vision at 20/20 cannot resolve anything more than one arc minute. These calculations are based on that reality, which are based on scientific observation and testing. Science and math always come out on top. To achieve the same visual acuity as your 55" 4K TV, you would need approximately a 190" 8K TV if you were sitting a little over 6ft away. For now 8K TVs are utterly pointless, worthless, marketing jargon for people who don't know the difference between a pixel and a pica. There is no reason to have one in your living room and are only even coming close to being useful for large desktop displays that you sit close to. But even in that situation I'm not convinced that it's worth it because you'd need a 48" 8K display at a distance of approximately 18" at your desk and the viewing angle for that sounds neck-breaking painful.
As for content, where is it? Japan? I know NHK that has an 8K stream and will broadcast the 2020 Olympics in 8K. Good for them, there is that one thing plus some videos on Vimeo. But show me a link to buy or stream an actual real 8K movie. And no, some random Vimeo link by some independent studio short film project doesn't count. I'll be waiting.
TL;DR: 8K displays are pointless until wall-sized displays are widely available without needing to take out a second mortgage. The human eye at 20/20 can't resolve beyond one arc minute and therefore can't tell the difference between a 98" 8K and 4K TV unless you're about 3ft away. There is no content and the price is ridiculous. 8K TVs are an excellent way for fools to part with their money.
I wasn’t talking about 8K which is pointless right now since there is zero content (apart from semi-pro/pro travel & nature videos on YouTube) available, rather the benefits of 4K over 1080p which is ready for prime time now. There is tons of 4K content out there, TVs have much higher peak brightness than early HDR sets and cover nearly the full DCI-P3 color space. Color volume is not there yet as well as full BT.2020 coverage. The best OLED can do is about 80% of DCI-P3 while the best Samsung QLED, Q9FN, can show just over 90%.
Now when 8K is eventually mainstream and replaces 4K, people will still see some benefits on 55”-65” sets. Sure the difference will never be as huge as going from 480i/p to 1080p. The law of diminishing returns always applies. However 12-bit panels with much higher peak brightness will eventually replace 10-bit panels so again there will be big benefits apart from resolution. These 12-bit panels will only be available on 4K/8K just like 1080p HDR TVs don’t exist even though you don’t need 4K+ for HDR.
A native 8K image would also be much more sharp than a native 1080p/4K image at the same typical viewing distance because of the higher PPI. Even though my C8 is just 55” 1080p looks a little softer than native 4K even with Blu-Rays.
Now will everyone notice the difference like I do and perhaps you would? No. Some people barely noticed the difference between 16:9 480p and 720p or 720p and 1080p. I could always tell even on my old 46” Samsung when a cable channel was 720p instead of 1080i. It’s obvious with heavily compressed content but decreases as big rates get higher. People with good vision or these into tech like us who notice things like color accuracy, black levels, compression artifacts etc. certainly will.
Another example: I noticed motion interpolation as soon as I saw it on the Samsung 4671F (Samsung’s first 120 Hz LCD in 2007. I described it to my gf at the time as looking like a soap opera. To her the picture looked normal. Some people just don’t pay as much attention to details like others do.
