jrswizzle
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I didn't like the little icons on Android - even if they were supposed to be useful. Just seemed cluttered to me.
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Sooooo iOS 8 anyone?
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I didn't like the little icons on Android - even if they were supposed to be useful. Just seemed cluttered to me.
jrswizzle
macrumors 603
I know Jamezr can't see this - but to the rest of you....
You do realize most of these "features" weren't "copied" from Android but from various apps and services, some of which existed before Android/iOS....
Oh....woops.....
😀 & *nod*
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
So true but thats cool. Makes the other guy add something better which Android always does anyways.
I wasnt aware that iOS got the sharing extension. That was always a great feature of Android and i use it often. Its nice that they are getting it though it seems to have some strings attached to it.
jamezr
macrumors P6
One great thing is the more they follow Android and open APIs maybe it will open more cross platform synergy. I know a lot of us here run in a more mixed mode environment with some Apple products and some Android and WP8 and other desktop software.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
True and the one thing going in Apples favor is Google wont sue you. They invite you to use their OS so i doubt they care that Apple is copying anything from it.....unlike Apple sueing if you do that to them.
That is really one big gripe i have about Apple. They have copied for years and sue other companies for doing it. Google and Apple are american companies so im glad both are doing well and i like Samsungs products too but i still hate to see Apple sue them for crap that they themselves do.
Samsungs TVs are awesome and i have two of them and a Vizio. The Samsungs are a lot nicer than the Vizio.
jamezr
macrumors P6
That is a huge plus right there....it encourages more development as features become adopted standards on future software and devices. That means the consumer wins! 🙂
If you truly don't want to engage in the "who copied who" conversation, you should honestly ignore these posts. Every time you reply to them trying to rationalize that Apple isn't copying Android, it just makes you sound defensive, like you've been offended. Maybe Apple's copying Android, maybe Apple's not. Who cares.
I will say one thing though. I think you have none other than Apple to blame for this whole "who is copying who" game. There's no denying Apple (and Steve Jobs in particular) started this craze (maybe rightfully so, but that's not the point here). It's them that sparked this whole "now look who's copying who" backlash that you see.
Besides, were you this adamant in defending, say Samsung when they "copied" Apple's touch ID with their own finger print thing? Did you point out to all those iOS tech blogs and all those iOS fans who called Samsung copying again that no this isn't copying since finger print existed before Apple? Did you say the same thing about how it's more about implementation than copying, that Samsung is just implementing the tech in their own way?
Just asking.
My take? At the end of the day, Apple is copying Android. And Android has copied Apple before. And both those things are okay to admit. The fact of the matter is, currently, there are only three main players in the mobile smart phone world. Android. iOS. Windows. To a much lesser extent, Blackberry OS. The common people only know these few OS and it's in these OS-es that features become popular.
So what I'm saying is, while fingerprint scanner existed before, Apple was really the first to make it popular. So when Samsung and whoever might add it, it's okay to essentially say "Samsung copied Apple" in this respect. Likewise, if expandable/action-able notifications were made popular and mainstream by Android, or if the pull-down notification was made popular by Android (remember when Apple added this last time?), or if system-wide third party keyboards can be set as default was made popular by Android (no way of arguing that one, I think), or widgets made popular by Android, those things, too, are okay for people to say "Apple is copying Google now." It's not untrue. They are copying Google, even if Google copied it from someone else.
And because Google seems to be pushing more features with Android and quicker, it will always seem like Apple is playing "catch up" and "copying" Android's feature list. It happens the other way, too, of course, but just doesn't seem as much so lately.
Within the current crop of main operating systems, each is copying each other. And with good reason. It's as simple as that.
jrswizzle
macrumors 603
I'm sorry - I'm simply pointing out a factual error in this discussion. I could ignore it. I could stop frequenting this sub forum or these forums all together. I choose not to in the hopes that my posts bring some logic and balance to the discussion.
Ok - I've never said anything about that. The lawsuits are handled by the larger entities and they all do it. I try to separate the suits from these smaller discussions.
Nope, because I don't think Samsung copied. I said as much on these forums. I criticized Samsung's implementation because I didn't think it was implemented well. Again, I see a key difference in the implementation. So on one hand, yes I suppose you could say I defended Samsung because I stated numerous times I don't feel they copied Apple with their fingerprint sensor. At the same time, I also felt it was an inferior implementation in many ways.
No, that's just it. Apple isn't copying ANDROID with any of these features. They are "copying" (since we just can't get away from that word) the features from the various apps and developers from whom Google took the features. Predictive text is an Android feature? No its not.....Android took it from somewhere else.
Being open to 3rd party apps is an Android feature? No its not....countless other OSes and systems have been open.
The only reason these two are "copying" each other is because they are the two most visible rivals and that's all anyone here knows. The truth is, pretty much any feature Google announced at I/O last year was either on Apple before or some other system before that.
And again, it's not COPYING. Feature and implementation are two DIFFERENT things. I'm trying to help you get out of this mindless argument over who copies who.
NO IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT ISN'T TRUE. If you want to live in that world, fine....but you'll never get away from the "this was copied from that" because true innovation doesn't happen often.
Like what? What did Google announce at I/O last year that was so innovative or envelope pushing? A Game Center? Additional dev tools? The same things Apple released the year before?
All of the current OSes have strengths and weaknesses. They all have different design and implementation philosophies. The core set of "features" is the same across all and the pot each one is lacking are likely found somewhere in the others. Those "features" should be in all - however, how they are implemented is key and could make a monumental difference in overall end user experience.
Sorry for the long posts. I really hope this makes sense to you. Sometimes I feel like I'm making pretty straightforward posts here with some great points only to be met with "Ahh you stupid fanboi..../ignore".
At least rebut my points if you disagree.....
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Does Google have a patent for allowing third party keyboards?
Do they have a patent for quick reply?
Do they have a patent for widgets?
That's why that won't (and can't sue). It has nothing to do with Google being some white knight - they simply don't have patents on these "features" that are being "copied" by Apple.
The fact is, Apple sues based on patents it holds.
Now as to whether or not the patent system is correct....well....that's a whole 'nother can of worms.....let's just say, we can all agree its ridiculous.
I find it strange that people continue arguing over who copied whom. This is how business has been since long before any of us were born. When innovation happens, it filters out through the rest of the industry and world. Companies get patents to try and stand out from their competitors as long as possible, but not everything can be patented, thankfully.
There is a fine line between protecting your business and impeding the competition. I don't agree with how Apple is defending their patents in court, but then again, I don't think they should have even been awarded some of their patents.
The new features of iOS 8 aren't merely "copying" Android. They're features that people want and expect in a mobile operating system. I actually like the way Apple does most things better than the way Android does the same things, so I'm happy to see iOS progress and get features that I've been wanting for years.
There is a fine line between protecting your business and impeding the competition. I don't agree with how Apple is defending their patents in court, but then again, I don't think they should have even been awarded some of their patents.
The new features of iOS 8 aren't merely "copying" Android. They're features that people want and expect in a mobile operating system. I actually like the way Apple does most things better than the way Android does the same things, so I'm happy to see iOS progress and get features that I've been wanting for years.
jamezr
macrumors P6
I think you are right......I guess what happened is for so long Apple fans have pointed at Android and said it was stolen product. So now when Android features are incorporated into IOS that irony plays out.....
See SpoonCody's post above....he nailed it.....
I ask again, are you this adamant about "no one is copying anyone" when it goes the other way around? Because currently, from what I can gather and read from the internet and other forums and even from conversations with people IRL, there is no stronger narrative than "Samsung is copying Apple."
Are you out there making these same exact arguments to those people/tech sites/forums? Are you out there offering your logic and balance to where it's needed the most?
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Well, this post deserves my upvote. 😀
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BTW, Jrsizzle, the definition of "copy" can include things that don't necessarily have to be mimic-ed from the original source.
cop·y
ˈkäpē/Submit
noun
1.
a thing made to be similar or identical to another.
verb
1.
make a similar or identical version of; reproduce.
2.
imitate the style or behaviour of.
So, yes, Apple is copying Google as Google is copying Apple, regardless of who was the originator.
daveathall
macrumors 68020
I'm not bothered who is copying who so long as the end result is the best phone that I can purchase, I owe none of these large companies anything and TBH they don't give much of a damn about me or anyone, but I will give my money to the company that gives me the best most enjoyable device I can afford, whether that be Mr Apple, Mr Samsung, Mr HG or Mr LG.
The reason this whole "who copied who" business even started was because of Apple (as many have already mentioned).
It's just mind blowing how a company can patent and sue a competitor because of rounded corners and slide to unlock and then with no shame, produce software features that they took from their competitors.
Everything is copied from something else. Every single company in this world has copied from another company.
It's just the hypocrisy of seeing a company take prior things, patent it, and then sue a direct competitor because they used these prior features/enhancements. And then, turn around and use their competitors features/enhancements.
It's just mind blowing how a company can patent and sue a competitor because of rounded corners and slide to unlock and then with no shame, produce software features that they took from their competitors.
Everything is copied from something else. Every single company in this world has copied from another company.
It's just the hypocrisy of seeing a company take prior things, patent it, and then sue a direct competitor because they used these prior features/enhancements. And then, turn around and use their competitors features/enhancements.
Currently I switch between three phones: a Blackberry Q10, LG G Flex, and iPhone 5s.
On the iPhone i do have iOS 8 beta installed and I've been using it since it was released. Honestly, it really makes using the iPhone more bearable. Before, I HAD to jailbreak the phone in order to use it (quick reply, etc). On the Q10, things like quick reply are standard and you can obviously confiure android to have that. Now that things like Quickreply and 3rd party keyboards are there, it makes the experience a lot better and similar across different platforms.
Also, I will note that iOS 8 definitely makes the phone feel more cramped. In the camera app for example, there are so many options its becoming a nuisances to tap them properly. And the keyboard with the quick type takes up half the screen! I think a 4.7/5.5 inch iPhone would really make ios8 a better experience.
Will it make me switch? I guess thats not really something that applies to me since I switch phones on the regular basis anyways.
On the iPhone i do have iOS 8 beta installed and I've been using it since it was released. Honestly, it really makes using the iPhone more bearable. Before, I HAD to jailbreak the phone in order to use it (quick reply, etc). On the Q10, things like quick reply are standard and you can obviously confiure android to have that. Now that things like Quickreply and 3rd party keyboards are there, it makes the experience a lot better and similar across different platforms.
Also, I will note that iOS 8 definitely makes the phone feel more cramped. In the camera app for example, there are so many options its becoming a nuisances to tap them properly. And the keyboard with the quick type takes up half the screen! I think a 4.7/5.5 inch iPhone would really make ios8 a better experience.
Will it make me switch? I guess thats not really something that applies to me since I switch phones on the regular basis anyways.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
I dont know but if they did, they wouldnt sue because they arent greedy like Apple and allow other companies to use their software and apps. Do you think you will see iOS on a Samsung, LG or HTC phone? LOL, not a cold day in hell will you see that! They wont sue because of a rounded corner or slide to unlock or a link in a email.....sound familiar?
There was quick reply with the stock message app. The only developer thing that Apple let their system have was third party keyboards....hence the name, third party keyboards.
Instead of always arguing that things werent copied, why cant you just agree like the rest of us and embrace the new things iOS FINALLY got and the things down the road they will get that Android has had foer years? Hell you might even eventually see an open system.......that wouldnt be a copy cat thing now would it? 😉
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Technarchy
macrumors 604
I personally do not like iOS 8's version of widgets based upon what I've seen.
I'll admit being wrong if I am, but android widgets seem far more powerful, accessible and usable.
I won't really know for about 15 weeks.
I don't use widgets on my Nexus 4. I like the iOS 8 way better. Don't know why it just appeals to me
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
Oh come on, you really didn't just rebut with this...you cannot possibly be that naive to think that Google does business solely out of the kindness of their own heart. The approximately $25 billion in profit they made the last 2 years begs to differ...🙄
If Google had a patent they thought was being infringed upon, they'd sue, same as any other large corporation with shareholders expecting substantial profitability.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
Thats interesting. You dont use widgets on your N4 which are polished widgets but you like them better on a OS that is basically in beta and you dont have yet?
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
Don't see myself using them either, save for maybe an odd one or two (probably for sports scores 😉)--seems like it would just be a lot of scrolling.
Then again, I really don't use widgets on Android either--they never really give me enough info/functionality and I found myself going into apps anyways.
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
I did, and it is true. How many different phones do you see Android on? How many do you see iOS on?
Google lets phone companies use it BECAUSE how they make their money. Apple and Google dont make their money in the same manner. Goodness of their hearts? I wouldnt say that but you will never see iOS on anything but a Apple phone.
Google doesnt charge licencing fees
Another on the matter
I think Google is a lot more laid back than Apple and have shown that. But if you would like, you can provide the list of patents and we can see.
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While I don't have widgets. I do have iOS 8 running on my iPad 2.
From the IMPLEMENTATION, I think it appeals to me more, maybe once it's out I may hate it but again from initial looks I like it.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
What on Earth are you talking about? What does Google allowing OEM's to use Android on their devices have to do with suing for a patent violation? Of course Google going to sue another company over a product/service they are providing for free. 😕 Not really sure you have a grasp on the comparison here.
Let's try another example. Another company decides to offer a new wearable that looks remarkably similar to Google Glass. In fact, they look and function so similarly, one might even mistake one for the other. Do you think Google will just sit back and let that company continue to sell their product, even though it's clearly a blatant copy of Google's product?
i'm not going to engage in a prolonged discussion regarding the differences in Apple and Google's business models because this thread isn't the place for it, but suffice to say they're quite different and generate revenue in different manners. Google, in a nutshell relies on their services being used by as many people as possible so of course, best way to do that is offer access for free. Did you even read the end of the article you linked to?
Yeah, Google doesn't care about profit or isn't greedy at all. 🙄
Vegastouch
macrumors 603
I said they let other phone makers use their OS. Would Apple allow that? Of course not. I said i doubt Google would sue because they are a lot more laid back....and they are. Apple sues over the shape of a phone and a slider.
If that happens then we will find out. Thats a bad example since you have nothing to say for certain it would happen. We hardly know anything about Glass to even know if we like it or not except for the price....which i dont like.
Good, i didnt ask you too. I read it, there is another one as well with the bottom line that Google doesnt charge to use their OS, but there are small fees to use the Playstore and Gmail.
Certainly not like Apple. Google does many things Apple wouldnt do. The smallest being phones and tablets with pretty decent specs for a damn good price. They could make more profit but they dont jack up their prices like Apple and dont even market them 🙄