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I get why people want other people to believe what they believe; but, I fail to understand why they insist that other people believe what they want to believe.

Because small phone is thing in past, insisting Apple bring small phone is not getting anywhere. Desiring a pipe dream is wasting other people’s time.
 
The Mini actually had an obvious user base though, kids/teens (including mine) and those who don't like/want/need a massive screen on a bulky phone that won't fit in their pocket. It might not be the majority, but it's more than a small niche.

Unlike the Plus which is now obsolete, there is still a market for a capably-spec'd or even Pro-level iPhone Mini. Sadly, the beancounters are in charge and they aren't smart enough to realise that market trends, as spouted by their beloved market research firms, aren't always reliable and customers are fickle. Apple are just another quantitative company these days, when they used to be all about the qualitative.

Kids gets hand down phones from parents. Kids doesn’t need the shining new phone.

Pro-level mini won’t exist. The price point won’t sell. The only way small phone sell is price it significantly cheaper than pro iPhone. The Pro phone buyer won’t consider mini iPhone at all.
 
Get use to the tree. Small phones are dead and Apple is not gonna do mini iPhone. Instead of complaining, just figure out what works best for you with existing product line.

What works best with the existing product line, hmmm… lets see -
the Plus/Max versions are out of the question because they’re useless big and heavy bricks to carry around on a daily basis. The other 3 existing options that are all the same size, they are okish to use with some compromises, but not so convenient to carry around on a daily basis, special when you do sports activities… so there is no really good option to choose from. 🤷‍♂️
 
Kids gets hand down phones from parents. Kids doesn’t need the shining new phone.

Pro-level mini won’t exist. The price point won’t sell. The only way small phone sell is price it significantly cheaper than pro iPhone. The Pro phone buyer won’t consider mini iPhone at all.
Totally disagree. Using that reasoning, Mac Mini shouldn't exist because the Mac Studio is more "pro", or the AirPod Max should render the AirPod Pro's as not needed. No, people buy small Pro devices exactly because they are smaller. My wife and I would happily buy an expensive new iPhone Mini Pro in a heartbeat.
 
So that we can get it in our pocket!
oh and it helps to be able to actually be able to reach across it.

I have very large hands and the current phones are too difficult to reach across. I don't know how people with small hands manage at all.

They learned how to juggle it in their hands... unless they always use two hands.
 
So we can always look forward to the vocal Mini fanatics complaining about how Apple dares not to cater to their minority.
Why do you enjoy the misfortune of others? What do you really gain from that beyond senseless fleeting humor that doesn't last beyond a few moments only to be forgotten?

Your satiated goal of humor aims too low, your appetite should be bigger ;)

Would have sold better than the Vision Pro.
INDEED! But unfortunately that pisses off more macOS users than it should at all.
Only weirdo's and ppl with too much money than common sense bought into the current iteration of the Apple Vision Pro. Really there is NOTHING PRO about it without even a base iteration released.

If only they had released the mini at a better price point or just replaced the SE with the mini at the SE price point.
Should've just dropped the "SE" entirely.
Your suggestion of the SE price point never made sense due to the FaceID and higher storage options and chip available at the time of the Apple 13 mini.
rrying two devices is getting annoying.
Yeah I can see that.
Keep the mini for when you travel as a cheap deterrent of theft when on vacation. Afterall beyond the camera which is sufficient you should be using the iPhone less and enjoying vacations much more.

Maybe Apple will offer a folding phone that will satisfy the folks who want a smaller iPhone.
Last weeks rumors suggested the Apple foldable would have an outer display at 5.3" - .1" less than the 13 mini.
Goto GSMArena.com site and look up the Oppo Find N1 and N2 for an idea of the current iPhone foldable rumor size.


Hope my 13 mini will still last for many years... Apple other phones are way too big for me.

Holding my Mini until further notice

You two are REAL troopers! Love that. If it wasn't for mind stolen, Apple Advanced Encryption initial launch screw-ups, and my need to connect to cloud computers for school - I'd not have left the ecosystem back on iOS 15.3.1 . My attempt last month was even worse since no help from Apple to get something sentimental and crucial out of iMessage with my old iCloud account couldn't or wouldn't (likely) be done.

Right now the Mac Mini M4 Pro is appealing but Apple soured me for a while. Recovery is on-going.

Maybe the foldable will be small when closed.
rumored 5.3" thus far.
I put no faith into that outer screen-size as a LOT of iPhone Pro/Max users are looking for a foldable would never even enjoy that.

Every foldable made and shipped - the majority of users STILL use the outer screen a LOT more than the inner screen.

The iPhone 16e ($599.00) is priced less than that iPhone 12 mini ($699.00, or $856.00 when adjusted for inflation) you would have bought. It also has 2x the RAM (8GB vs 4GB) and storage (128GB vs 64GB) of the base iPhone 12 mini.

As to your complaint that current iPhone are too large, yes, they are larger but when compared to your iPhone SE, the iPhone 16e and 16 are just a tiny bit bigger in overall dimension. I can hardly tell the difference when looking at my 3rd gen SE and iPhone 14 (same dimensions as iPhone 16) when they're sitting side-by-side next to each other.

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Just like you missed featuring the 12/13 mini in the comparison screenshot above you completely missed the point of either devices. ONLY the iPhone SE OG aligned with the 2 mini's purpose for being.
 
The sales of iPhone Pro vs. iPhone Pro Max tell us a bit about what people want. The consistent popularity of Pro Max suggests many consumers want the largest phones with the most features.

The relative success of the Plus model also tells us people want large displays. We regularly see iPhone Plus take 8% share. We never saw this from the iPhone mini.

Apple making the Air at 6.6-inches also tells us what people want, based on their failure with mini and relative success of Plus. Large displays.


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Those charts don't even seem to include the mini models and they don't add up to 100% so there's data missing.

There's no reality where small phones match features and specs of larger phones. People want battery life. A dead phone is a useless phone. People want good features. And there's people who want a small phone but end up prioritizing those other things.

Sales umbers are often skewed by the early adopter crowd. The people who want "the best" end up buying "the biggest" because it has the best specs. And those people also tend to be the ones buying a new phone year over year. The people who bought mini kind of end up fine using their phone for 3+ years.

My point, if any, is really that I think there's a big enough small phone market that if Apple didn't try to shoehorn the iPhone mini product strategy into the release-a-numbered-phone every year strategy they could have just made an small phone that gets updated every 2-3 years that makes enough revenue to be worth that. They just keep messing up with iPhone strategy. Its clear they don't really have a winning formula because even the plus phones are going away.
 
My 5s battery still lasted all day when it died on me after 6 years. My 13 mini is rarely even down to 60% by the end of the day, and I doubt I'd have a problem stretching it across 2-3 days if push came to shove. But what I need for "all-day battery life" is not the same as what you need. The mini devices have been far more than sufficient to meet my needs. It sounds like they would not suit yours.

I'm glad larger phones also exist for people who need more juice.
I love my 13 mini but have no idea how you'd possibly get 2-3 days of battery life out of it. I am at home and on wifi for most of my day and by the end of me going out with friends it's basically dead unless I bring along an external battery to recharge.

I guess if you just don't use your phone and keep it on Low power mode 100% of the time you might be able to do that. But I don't have a mini because I "want to reduce screen time." I just like smaller phones.
 
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Which mini Android are you shopping for?
Yea... it sucks. There's no small androids either.

But honestly I had an iPhone SE (the first gen that was based on the 5s design) and I just held onto that until apple released the iPhone mini. If people really don't buy larger phones. If the just hold onto their small phone and submit feedback saying they want things smaller. Apple will have to cave.

Honestly I never cared about foldable phones before–especially not the vertical flip because all of them are huge. But if Apple legit makes an iPhone mini sized trifold phone that turns into an iPad mini... That could be something really great.
 
Well you are correct. Instead of upgrading to a new/bigger iPhone I bought the Apple Watch. Great to use the Apple Watch with cellular and leave the iPhone home.
👍 I use my AW as a backup to my iPhone (I am old with medical problems so it is safer to be connected at all times), but I think for hikes, runs, nights out, etc. an Apple Watch with cellular on its own pretty much does everything the iPhone would given the context. I was sceptical in the extreme about the AW, but got it to reassure my family. It has been a good purchase.
 
Totally disagree. Using that reasoning, Mac Mini shouldn't exist because the Mac Studio is more "pro", or the AirPod Max should render the AirPod Pro's as not needed.

There is a clearly price gap between Mac mini and Mac Studio. And how often does AirPor Max gets updated?

The mini iPhone Pro makes zero sense from price perspective, there is just no market for such thing. The only thing mini iPhone can exist is on the ultra low budget phone.

No, people buy small Pro devices exactly because they are smaller. My wife and I would happily buy an expensive new iPhone Mini Pro in a heartbeat.

Sure. Two of you. How many Pro mini buyer out there for Apple to justify the cost of producing mini iPhone.

There is nothing stop you from negotiating with Apple to pay for all the R&D, production cost and profit margin, for your two mini iPhone. If you really want iPhone mini Pro, nothing can’t be solved with enough money. I am sure 10 iPhone mini Pro buyers out there will appreciate your dedication.
 
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So that we can get it in our pocket!
oh and it helps to be able to actually be able to reach across it.

I have very large hands and the current phones are too difficult to reach across. I don't know how people with small hands manage at all.

Clearly vast majority of people handle large phone perfectly.

I might have small sample, out of 100 people in my office, there is ZERO mini iPhone
 
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I find it strange that on the Android side there are really no small phones either. At least in the mid to high end ranges

Me too -- if for no reason beyond there being a zillion producers and you'd think someone would pump out "something" of a smaller size (quality, fit and finish concerns aside)
 
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Because it hasn't been available for YEARS!

Not sure I understand your logic.

What happens to phones no longer sold by Apple? Do they just disappear from owners' hands the moment Apple stops selling them? If lots of people bought them, they would still be using them.
 
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