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South Korean Court Dismisses iPhone Users' $1.6 Million 'Batterygate' Lawsuit
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The iPhones battery is removable, I just had my 12 minis battery replaced a couple months ago.
Unless you mean them adding a crappy plastic snap on the back that’ll break after three weeks, and a big enclosure to hold the battery, but at that point, you’re just… Asking them to make the battery smaller and increase the price.
In 2003 we didn’t have phones that could be charged in literal minutes, with absolutely massive camera sensors with multiple lenses, all in devices only around 7 mm thick.
Also, there were products with non-replaceable batteries in 2003.
The iPod, for example…
No one is “brainwashed”.
I remember a Family member had a BlackBerry with a replaceable battery, and guess what?
It was accidentally dropped while filling up a pool of only four feet, and… Never came back on.
Meanwhile, I know for a fact my iPhone can get water on it and it’ll be fine.
Same with my Apple Watch.
Weird. I had the battery swapped on my 4s and 6s with no issues after 2 years. Both at Apple. My 8+ will have its battery swapped here pretty soon but at a local shop for cheaper. Walk in, state that phone won't hold a charge for more than a couple hours and needs a battery swap, they go ok and swap it. Don't even bother with diag, which wouldn't register if the battery was better than 80% recharge.
And if I recall correctly, it stated in the update notes that they'd implemented the processer mitigation with that update. Been a while, but I recall that being plainly stated somewhere and reading it.
Korea is correct. Every company does not need to release the details of the tradeoffs they make in balancing battery, processing, and performance. The only way this was detected was by non real use experiments. The results is the courts are saying … you should have allowed the phones to die and interrupt users instead of slowing them down very slightly.
Considering my phone is over 7 years old and people scrapping stuff long before the end of its useful life or buying cheap tat is the downfall of the future of the planet, I strongly disagree with the context of this comment. (Unless on 2nd read I misread this (as did others) and you mean you only need battery access every 2 years rather than replacing the phone every 2 years! 🤔)
However, my >7 year old phone is on it's 3rd battery and it's really not that hard to do. So I completely disagree with the comment this was in response to. This iPhone 6S isn't waterproof anyway. So I don't buy any of the non-removeable to make waterproof BS. But if it was pointlessly *super easy* to remove it would no doubt either be thicker and fatter or have worse battery life. Or if not the back would probably have broken and I still wouldn't be using it now. The reason they ditched removeable laptop batteries back when the unibody came in was to get more battery in less space.
If that were the case Apple wouldn’t have had to off pay over 100 million dollars in the US alone in court cases, and pay fines from various government watchdogs around the globe due to battery gate. Initially they failed to inform customers what they had done, your memory has failed you in this instance.
Also I’m not sure the 4S qualified in this? And did you tell Apple your phone was slow? Did they diagnose its battery as failing?
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Yeah the phone should last at the very least 6 years. I certainly don't think it should be disposed of after 2 because the battery was duff. It must be possible to replace but not necessarily made convenient for the end user to do so. Three batteries over 6 years requires two maintenance visits which is less than the average car for sure and completely reasonable for a device your entire life tends to end up revolving around.
I still have a 6s in service here. Apple did the first battery replacement. I did the second one. I've got two 2020 SE's for the kids in cycle as well which are due new batteries and I will be doing that at Apple.
The point is that water proofing to any reasonable level requires proper seals and those are very difficult to produce on anything with removable parts and equally as difficult to produce on devices that can be closed again (that's the hard bit) after a replacement is made.
When I worked in the defence sector, we built things which were properly waterproof. The bulk was incredible mostly due to the service requirements. We also filled stuff with nitrogen gas and dessicant because even pressure changes can break seals and cause moisture to ingress and damage stuff. And those things didn't even have batteries in them!
I believe that he meant it as in the battery only needs to be replaced once every two years, not the full phone.
Which… I agree.
And while waterproofing wasn’t always a feature of the iPhone, it’s entirely true that it does help not having the battery removable.
The Samsung galaxy S5 had a removable battery and was water resistant and… You had to use these crappy gasket-type covers to cover all the openings for it to actually work.
It was a very strange design choice, something Apple would absolutely never go with.
Also, even though it wasn’t advertised, your iPhone 6S technically does have some level of water resistance…
Apple made the iPhone 6s nearly waterproof and didn't tell anyone
Leave it up to Apple to downplay a surprisingly useful engineering feat: A water-resistant iPhone. It turns out the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus sport a combination of new technology that makes them far more resistant to liquid damage than past iPhones, iFixit reports. Apple packed in a new gasket...
The throttling started back in iOS 10.2.1, and its release notes did not say anything. Apple merely limited itself to saying “iOS 10.2.1 fixed the issue”, and that’s it.
Here, source: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ed-iphone-6-and-6s-shutdowns-updated.2034134/
Apple’s support document merely adds a statement on settings-battery on iOS 10.2.1 through iOS 11.2.6 saying that “battery might need replacing” if it detected poor battery health. See: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207453
Apple deserves all they get from this one. Many times I went to Apple Store to ask to pay to have a battery replaced and they refused. “it does not need replacement” I bought a new phone I was tired of the reduced battery. They were refusing paying customers hmmmmm
In my opinion, the battery replacement process is also problematic. I replaced batteries twice myself, but I was only successful once. The other time my display malfunctioned after I put it back together, and I could not figure out what went wrong. I have steady hands and I’m pretty decent at following directions, and I was successful the first time on the same exact phone model, so I don’t know how things went wrong the second time. I was fine buying all the inexpensive special tools for the job, and the time the job took (though I’m not sure others would be). But with all the delicate connections inside for the display, touch, Face ID/touchID, etc., there’s too much that can go wrong when disassembling and reassembling the phone, all just to change the battery.
But these were older iPhone SE1’s I worked on so maybe newer iPhones are different now. 🤷♂️
Oh definitely. I'm not saying everyone should attempt it, it requires some "this connects to this so it must relate to that" thinking. But how easily replaceable the batteries are is not a huge issue. It's Apple after all - if they made the battery removable they'd charge the same for the battery, or see it as a way to charge even more for the part. The issue really is everything else anti-repair going on and there's a ton of that.
It’s interesting that ever since this disaster went down in the US reports of slowed down iPhones basically evaporated overnight. I used a 4 year old iPhone XR as a backup for a little bit and it ran surprisingly smooth. True, it did refresh apps often, but they ran just as fast as on newer models. I applaud Apple for shifting gears on older devices. It’s still amazing how many years the 6S was supported, and it wasn’t like the iPhone 4S which became unusable in its last year of support. That PR mess was the best thing to happen for iPhone users.
Uhhhhh they withheld it from their own "Genius" techs...
Apply, without a word, changed the software to throttle devices with battery health as high as 90%, throttling down to around HALF of the new/advertised performance. They were heavily throttling performance due to batteries that would pass diagnostics with flying colors and Apple would not replace even if you were willing to pay out of pocket (not that you'd have any reason to suspect it was the culprit).
Apple's only intention was to cover for the battery problems of the 6S that should have been a recall.
I have to like this, as I agree with the software support, even though it has bugs or can affect performance of older models, not just the battery, it’s pretty darn good they do keep on supporting their older gear for several years.
Performance definitely improved, although battery life remains an issue. This started, like you said, with the iPhone 6s.
While I praise Apple for that improvement, I have two very important things to note:
-Battery life continues to see a very significant degradation throughout every model released so far, if updated far enough.
-And a massively underreported and a gigantically damaging decision: Apple destroying a key feature through an iOS update, without giving users the possibility to downgrade: 3D Touch. Apple killed 3D Touch on iOS 13, and it was largely swept under the rug. A key feature of the iPhone 6s, it was literally killed via an iOS update. If that’s not forced obsolescence, I don’t know what is.
Yeah because government is good and fair.
Qualified in what? The issue was getting your battery swapped by Apple because it had degraded. You go in and tell them you need your battery swapped. They're not going to turn down money according to most people on this site, so they're not going to bother running diag on the battery.
Actually as pointed out even in this thread by some, Apple DID refuse to change batteries even from people willing to pay for them. I'm afraid your VERY wrong on the history of the scandal.
I never gave a "history" of anything. I stated what I did and what people were probably doing wrong about getting their battery changed. Again, you pay Apple to swap batteries, they're not losing out on this deal. It's asinine to think that they'd turn you away unless you went in complaining about your phone being slow or some other drivel and they ran diag on it and found nothing wrong. If you specifically go in and tell them you need your battery swapped, they have never, in my experience as well as many people I know, refused.