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The problem is that it’s not a free market as nobody else can build a store except in the EU. Again, as I buy a product, I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Apple acts like a bully and it’s completely anticompetitive in all ways.
It was a free market until it wasn’t. Just pointing out the hypocrisy by the EU. It’s apples App Store period. One can choose to avail themselves of the digital service or not.
Tim’s AAPL is about money for share making the executive team wealthy at Apple.
Steve’s AAPL was about emboldening customers and giving them a true ability to accomplish things that weren’t possible with competitors.
A bunch of poppycock. Do you honestly believe that in “Tims AAPL” customers are so stupid and blinded they will buy anything Apple puts in front of them?
This has become the most anticompetitive company in the market.
Anticompetitive is clearly a moving definition by MacRumors posters.
Its integration is vertical and horizontal.
Yes apple owns the App Store in the same way Costco owns its warehouses.
It steals IP consistently from developers it supposedly cares about.
Citations needed that this is a continual problem.
It refuses to play fair!
Opinion.
Just like Qualcomm has created what are now patents that are necessary for the functionality of the Internet which caused Apple to state that Qualcomm wasn’t practicing FRAND patents that were required to make iPhones. Apple should now be subject to he same types of FRAND patent licensing to other app stores, developers, and competitors! That’s the nature of this world.
Apple is certainly welcome to legally challenge all of that in a court of law. Because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean a legal challenge doesn’t exist.
Someone said on another thread that patents should be like in medicine where they have the right to the patent for seven years. I think this would solve the problems of companies like Apple screwing over the world.
Or, alternatively force the pharma companies on day one to give away the formula to the knock-off manufacturers. that’s what the EU is doing. How much innovation in the pharma space would there be if that happens?
 
I think things have turned out well for them overall. ATT has rebuilt the Death Star, and MS, well, it's market cap is pretty healthy.

As it will prove to be for Apple when they quit wasting money, lawyers & cash fighting to preserve their "Company Store" hold on this part of things and shift their innovative minds towards other ways to drive "another record quarter..."

When this is finally settled- and it WILL end only one way (as it did for those others when they were fighting a very similar battle against the might of GOV powers)- Apple will finally move on to doing what AT&T, Microsoft and all of the others did when they dealt with what was basically this same kind of matter. Apple will be able to rebuild their Death Star. Apple's market cap will look healthy.
 
In the end we'll see (here in the EU) that Apple is going to limit releases. They already started with software (no AI or iPhone Mirroring in the EU), and they will do so with hardware. And where they don't entirely stop selling (the hardware) the prices will go up 50-200% within the EU. Want to buy the next iPhone? It's going to be € 2000. And that is for the cheapest one. And this may not happen this year, but it will happen.
 
And where they don't entirely stop selling (the hardware) the prices will go up 50-200% within the EU. Want to buy the next iPhone? It's going to be € 2000
Phones can be imported.

And there's actual competition on phones/hardware devices.
Why buy an iPhone for €2000 when there are equivalent Android alternatives for a fraction of that price?

In the end we'll see (here in the EU) that Apple is going to limit releases. They already started with software (no AI or iPhone Mirroring in the EU), and they will do so with hardware
So?

Let them do it. Mid to long-term, someone will gladly pick up that slack and offer AI features in the EU. If not Apple, someone else while. Possibly even someone that's OK with "playing along" with European competition and privacy rules.

It's just another recipe for Apple losing marketshare.
 
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Again, we can easily imagine the end point of all this by looking at Mac Apps. There is an Apple Mac App Store and one can generally buy all of the same apps direct from the developer websites and often through third party stores and even "10 apps for a $1" bundles.

Ever seen a "10 iDevice apps for a $1" offer from a BundleHunt or other third party entity? Ever see a big iDevice App sale on Amazon or Walmart website?

That's kind of rhetorical because it isn't possible, yet.

Competition pressures pricing DOWN. It "just works." It's fundamental to a benefit of Capitalism that works for us consumers. Not all of the system must revolve around benefits only for sellers.

Competition does, but regulations that try to increase competition don't necessarily accomplish that. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters for the consumer is have I saved money.

But even competition has challenges. All those "price match guarantees" are a way to keep prices higher as it signals "we won't start a price war but if you do we'll react and we'll all make less money. Your call." Notice haw many don't include sellers who have lower costs and thus would trigger the refund if they honored their price?

#1 didn't really create competition... only more money for the developer within the same "company store" transaction. App developers need to feel competition pressures too.

It's about choice for the user and developer as to where to buy and sell. The competition is created by sellers choosing the other option.

#2 is to TBD. But the popular argument at 15%-30% is justified because of how expensive it is to host, distribute and process apps and in-app transactions is most of it, I can't rationalize the same applied to the Mac app side of things. How are direct app sales from developers for less and or "10 apps for a $1" bundles able to be profitable? That's a rhetorical question. Obviously, that popular spin that it takes 15%-30% to run the store is untrue... and Apple fighting this so passionately is NOT to preserve barely "breaking even" on store transactions.

My justification for it is not what it costs, because costs only impact margin, not price. Price is set by how much value a consumer gets for the product; a you price accordingly. Louis Vuitton doesn't pay anywhere near their selling price for those luxury handbags made in Italy by cheap labor. I'd be surprised if the cost to make one was more than 10% - 20% of the sales price.

As for the bundles, I suspect the only real money maker is the bundler and the junk apps getting a few pennies, which is more than they are getting already. There are fewer and fewer of what I call a good app in those bundles, and when they are it isn't in a 1 for 10 bundle but a "Pick your bundle" with varying prices.
If there's little to no money in this, Apple wouldn't be fighting it so hard. It being so, so lucrative in being the one & only "Company Store" drives this fight.

Of course, the fight is all about the big money between Apple, EPIC, Spotify et.al. Each wants a bigger slice of the pie and not share it after Apple baked the pie.

Nevertheless, in spite of my response, the test is already in motion coming up on 6 months now throughout the entire EU. We can all watch that test "cell" to see how much of a (virus/trojan/crime syndicate/etc) disaster it has been for that enormous market in the last 6 months for those who believe that nonsense... and we can keep watching to see if pricing rises, stays the same or is pressured down by more competition. The rest of the world can just watch & see reality instead of speculating with personal opinion.

Yes, It will be interesting to see. I wonder what impact it will have while I am living in the EU with US bought phone and a German App Store.
 
Expect steep price hike soon! All politicians across the globe want their piece of pie in the Apple Stocks! Hope developers at least benefit from this but device buyers will pay the penalty eventually!
 
Expect steep price hike soon! All politicians across the globe want their piece of pie in the Apple Stocks! Hope developers at least benefit from this but device buyers will pay the penalty eventually!

Every single fine a company gets (any company) is going to be paid by its costumers or the company will fold. Because basically the only money a company makes is the money they get from sales.

This is a similar issue with people demanding wage rises. Because that is also paid from the same income.

All of this causes the prices to increase. (inflation)
 
Below €150.
You're mistaking the tax-free import allowance for individuals as part of their personal travel with commercial importation.

A non-EU business (e.g. in Switzerland, the U.K. or China) can sell iPhones to an EU commercial importer free of local tax. European VAT will ultimately just be paid once - just as today.

If I'm in the E.U. and buy ten iPhones from a Swiss company, the Swiss company will ship them to me tax-free. I'll pay VAT on import - but for businesses this is set off against the ones charged on resale of the device. The European VAT rate will (ultimately) only be paid once. The tax burden on consumers isn't any higher than today - If the consumers buys an iPhone from Apple or another merchant in the EU.
 
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Expect steep price hike soon! All politicians across the globe want their piece of pie in the Apple Stocks! Hope developers at least benefit from this but device buyers will pay the penalty eventually!

The magic of pushing for more competition only works if consumers do their part. Our greatest power in any buy:sell transaction is the ability to say "NO" which is a few notches superior to the great power to "shop around."

If "punishment" through higher pricing conspiracy actually plays out, consumers can easily choose NOT to overpay the added costs that would be asked. "NO" is at least as easy to say as "YES." And if enough exercise that power, sellers always fold. Why? Because at the climax of the transaction, sellers want the revenue MORE than any consumer should want the "stuff."

Even the fan-iest Apple fan will have some price limit that is their straw. Else, bring on $2K iPhones and $3K iPhones and $10K iPhones if people will pay any price, whether to cover added costs or just because Apple wants to fatten the margin even more. Apparently, for some of us, the only choice is to pay whatever price Apple asks because we must have it. Bring on the $20K phone. $50K. Lifetime payments. Multi-generational payments.
 
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The problem is that instead of Apple having 1 app store with more relaxed rules, they will have 10 app stores with slightly different rules.

Because they don't want to give up that sweet sweet recurring revenue.
Revenue the main goal of a for-profit company.
 
Well Apple is a dictatorship. So they can bend their own rules however they like without facing any consequences. Fair and consistent never exist in their dictionary.
So we moved from monopoly to dictatorship now? They made the platform, they maintain the platform, it is their right to control it.
 
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There is nothing about having 3rd party app stores that will make iOS perform like android.

You can still select to get all of your apps from the Apple app store and your phone will work just the same.

Don't see why you want to limit the freedom of others that have different needs. That view sounds narrow minded to me.
There are already apps that are only available in 3rd party stroes, so no you will not always be able to get your apps in the App Store.
 
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Regardless of how we feel about this topic, GOVs have an endless well of funding for legal actions and all of the time & resources in the world to fight such battles. Mighty Apple- as rich as it is- cannot compete with that. This ends one way.

Fighting the inevitable destination is just wasting money by only kicking the can down the road for when Apple will ultimately have to comply with both the written law and the intended spirit of it.

Fundamentally, this is about consumer choices vs. having a lone company store dictating all. These laws do not kill that store for anyone wishing to continue to use and only use that one store... but they do replicate how things are on the Mac side... where consumers worldwide can already buy Mac Apps from the Apple Mac App Store or direct from the creators of Mac Apps (via their website) or through third party stores such as "10 apps for $1" bundle offerings or even Walmart/Target/Amazon/etc physical or digital shelves.

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And in the end, the consumer loses.
 
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