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Spencer Webb at AntennaSys.com has "seen the light..." with his own iPhone 4

Tom G. said:
Like many others on tis forum we are just getting tired of the constant bashing of this phone on this easily cured issue.
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You have a solution? A real one? By all means, share it, pretty please. However, considering that:

a) holding the phone abnormally isn't a solution
b) forcing users to buy a Bumper or any case at all isn't a solution
c) taking the phone back doesn't solve the problem so it isn't a solution
d) a software update to alter how the bars represent signal strength isn't a solution
e) all of the above and some I just ain't going into right now that aren't solutions either

I really don't see how anything is going to be "easily cured."

But thanks for playing...
 
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br0adband said:
So, that begs the question:

The iPhone 3GS in Steve Jobs' other hand never failed - and there were 3 of them in the demo, just as there were 3 different iPhone 4's in the same demo. 3 iPhone 3GS models all worked flawlessly in the same signal overload situation in the same conference hall and all 3 iPhone 4 models failed miserably.

Not 1 iPhone 4, not even 2, but 3 of them in rotation - just like the 3 iPhone 3GS models - and the iPhone 4 failed each and every time.

Seems like there's a problem to me, and to Apple as well hence they edited out all that footage from the official WWDC keynote introducing the iPhone 4. Why would they do such a thing?

Are the engineers that set up the demo equipment in Moscone Center complete idiots? Certainly not.

Was there a lot of wireless activity going on? Of course.

Did the iPhone 3GS work right, each and every time, even in spite of such wireless activity and interference? Flawlessly, even in spite of it being "obsolete" now.

But the iPhone 4? The video footage as evidence speaks louder than any Apple press release ever could hope to...

And you don't hold your iPhone 4 like most everyone else does? Ok, that's new... interesting.

If you're happy with your phone's excellent service and functionality, fantastic, I hope it never fails for you. As for these threads, well, nobody is forcing you to post in them.

Move along...
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topmounter said:
Great news!

No more excuses... you have two very clear options:

1) Get a case and quit whining.

2) Return your iPhone4 and quit whining.
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+1

Yes we know yours was a gift br0adband, you've said it enough times, but surely there must be a receipt for it somewhere or just sell it.
 
br0adband said:
You have a solution? A real one? By all means, share it, pretty please. However, considering that:

a) holding the phone abnormally isn't a solution
b) forcing users to buy a Bumper or any case at all isn't a solution
c) taking the phone back doesn't solve the problem so it isn't a solution
d) a software update to alter how the bars represent signal strength isn't a solution
e) all of the above and some I just ain't going into right now that aren't solutions either

I really don't see how anything is going to be "easily cured."

But thanks for playing...
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Anyone here can solve *your* problem... take it back. Please consider that your problem isn't everyone's problem.

a) I need to hold the phone abnormally to get the reception issue, although I will give in that every once in a while the meaty part of my hand delivers a bridge to the antennas.

b) The bumper is a non issue as far as this issue for me. I consider the edge of the glass to be this phones Achilles heel, but that will become proven or disproven over time.

c) it is a solution for you.

d) agreed, I am only looking at performance of voice and data, bars mean nothing to me, other than if there is a change they may be able to do in software to change how the phone switches bands or towers to help avoid the issue, which will remain to be seen.
 
Come on Br0adband, for goodness sake stop moaning! Time you had a nice glass of warm milk and popped off to bed. you'll feel much better in the morning! ;) :)
 
I'm wondering...would there be a market now for fashionable iGloves so that users can keep their naked phones and become the next new fad in clothing/tech...

This could be huge. BILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I actually enjoy most (not all) of br0adbands posts. Sure at times he can get heated, but for the most part I feel he brings something tangible to the forums, which is more than I can say for the "cool story bro" and "quit your whining" posts.
 
There seems to be an interesting trend here. All of these "experts" who have never used an iPhone 4 or barely used one say that it's not a big deal and that all phones do this. Then they hazard a "guess" about what is going on.

Now that he has actually gotten one and experienced the issue he changes his tune. People who are able to repeat this problem have been saying all along that this is not normal, while people who haven't experienced it keep making excuses about why it is not an issue. Coincidence?
 
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Eso said:
QCassidy352 said:
One concrete example is the engadget podcast where they stood on a street corner with two iPhone 4s, one of which exhibited the death grip issue and the other of which didn't. Same location, same holder, same time.
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So... one was in his right hand then? Oh, ok.
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Nope. There were two people there, and each used each iPhone with their left hand (or at least covering the strip). One iPhone worked fine for both people regardless of how it was held and one did not.
 
I love all the analysts that come out of the wood-work just to rehash information that has already been said a million times. Everyone wants page views though.
 
Tom G. said:
To the OP,

I did not write about Mr. Spencer's qualifications as an engineer, only about his putting out information when he does not have all the facts. His report is un finished even by his own standards and therefore should not have been written nor posted on his blog. He himself said that he now needs to get bumpers or a case see what the results will be. Until that is done the info is worthless unless you are just on an ego trip.

He also has not posted anything new, just a rehash of old items again giving the idea of an ego trip.

For your info I have the issue with my phone but have it in a case so it is a non-issue to me. Like many others on tis forum we are just getting tired of the constant bashing of this phone on this easily cured issue. This can be seen by several posts even in this thread.

No I won't just move along
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You, sir, are incorrect. Why would he need to buy a case? He review his experience with the phone like it comes in the box from Apple. If it was intended to be used with a case, Apple should have sent one out with the phone, or built a freakin rubber band into the phone.

I don't understand your point of view here.. Why would you just let this slide? Do you have something to win from this? The iPhone4 is great! I've posted on this tens of times already, I love it and it's the best phone i've ever had. This fact however, doesn't alleviate the issue with the antenna. IT IS an issue, because it keeps me from using a phone like it's intended to be used. In ANY position I want to. Is that too much to ask for?
 
RyanG said:
I love all the analysts that come out of the wood-work just to rehash information that has already been said a million times. Everyone wants page views though.
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I don't think he's after page views. IMO he's making sure that his previous iPhone4 "review" is corrected and presenting HIS personal opinion and experience with the phone. How is that bad? His blog, his decision what to post.

Just like the OP.. he made the thread to talk about an issue that is important to him.
 
VSMacOne said:
You, sir, are incorrect. Why would he need to buy a case? He review his experience with the phone like it comes in the box from Apple. If it was intended to be used with a case, Apple should have sent one out with the phone, or built a freakin rubber band into the phone.

I don't understand your point of view here.. Why would you just let this slide? Do you have something to win from this? The iPhone4 is great! I've posted on this tens of times already, I love it and it's the best phone i've ever had. This fact however, doesn't alleviate the issue with the antenna. IT IS an issue, because it keeps me from using a phone like it's intended to be used. In ANY position I want to. Is that too much to ask for?
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+1
I love my iPhone too, but I hope no one lightens up on them until it's actually fixed.
 
Spencer Webb said:
I enjoy photography, and have had a professional-grade Nikon SLR in my hands since I was about 13. When you buy a camera like that, you really aren't buying a camera. You seperately purchase the body, the lens, a more comfortable strap, perhaps a corrective eyepiece or even a different focussing screen. Then, you have a nice "camera", and are ready for serious photographic action.
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Hey, if this guy is so smart why can't he a) spell separately correctly or b) use spell check? :p
 
BrownStarfish said:
Hey, if this guy is so smart why can't he a) spell separately correctly or b) use spell check? :p
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Smart people tend not to get bogged down by the smallest details. Albert Einstein was a perfect example.

What do you think that says about you?
 
Fernandez21 said:
I actually enjoy most (not all) of br0adbands posts. Sure at times he can get heated, but for the most part I feel he brings something tangible to the forums, which is more than I can say for the "cool story bro" and "quit your whining" posts.
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This. I can't believe the amount of people who are willing to neglect what is in front of them. People willing to bend over backwards and empty their wallets to accommodate.

"Quit your whining..." or "just return your phone already" is getting really old too. You don't deliver flawed products and expect your customers to work around them. No accountability.
 
I am one of the guys that has been lurking like I don't have a life. I have read literally thousands of posts. Just got off the phone with Apple and a new IP4 32G is being shipped over night! Serious question and serious answer requested.
The IP4 has this two piece Antenna. It has two places that they meet. The bottom left corner gets touched and I'm SEARCHING! Touch or short the top gap/ junction / line and NADA. If it were electric you would get a shock at either point. Why just the bottom left. Yes I have read where the FCC wants the signal at the bottom so as not to fry our brains but it seems as if shorting the two pieces at top or bottom would get the same result. Just asking!! Oh and I have a bumper and a case and plan on using both.
 
dunk50 said:
I am one of the guys that has been lurking like I don't have a life. I have read literally thousands of posts. Just got off the phone with Apple and a new IP4 32G is being shipped over night! Serious question and serious answer requested.
The IP4 has this two piece Antenna. It has two places that they meet. The bottom left corner gets touched and I'm SEARCHING! Touch or short the top gap/ junction / line and NADA. If it were electric you would get a shock at either point. Why just the bottom left. Yes I have read where the FCC wants the signal at the bottom so as not to fry our brains but it seems as if shorting the two pieces at top or bottom would get the same result. Just asking!! Oh and I have a bumper and a case and plan on using both.
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If you've been lurking that much you'd know that this question has been asked many times before. No one really has an answer.
 
John T said:
I suppose, to a certain extent, we are all to blame! The constant pressure on manufacturers to produce even slimmer, compact designs has created some problems. Remember the early mobile 'phones with their "whip", "stubby" or "pull out" antennas? No problems with reception with those!
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I disagree. Apple design tends to be lean towards form over function which they normally get away with. Unfortunately for the iPhone 4 this has proved to be a problem if you're in an area with dodgy reception and you hold your phone incorrectly (which for most people appears to be normal and comfortable).

Steve's response telling people they are holding their iPhones incorrectly doesn't wash with me, especially when he had reception problems at WWDC holding the phone exactly the way he's telling people not to. Seems to me Apple's testing and QC needs looking at.

I'd love an iPhone 4 but based on the issues being reported I'm going to wait until next year.
 
The seam on the bottom left side of the phone is the endpoint of the UMTS/GSM antenna - meaning it's the end of it. The top part beside the headphone jack is technically the beginning, the feedpoint, where it receives the signal from the iPhone itself. The endpoint - lower left side - is like the little "ball" on the tip of an old FM antenna on a car, it's the end of the antenna.

When you touch the UMTS/GSM antenna on that point, at the end of it, and bridge the connection to the other antenna (the Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth one that takes up the left upper side of the phone) you're causing the UMTS/GSM antenna to detune itself just as easily as twisting the knob on an old car radio would cause you to "detune" the radio - you're forcing it to operate on a frequency that's not the one you really want it to be on.

There's a reason why Apple chose this particular layout as well - the Wi-Fi/GPS/Bluetooth antenna on the left upper side of the phone, and the UMTS/GSM cellular antenna taking up the better portion of the top, the entire right side, and the bottom as well while barely needing anything on the left side itself. I covered that reasoning in another post in the Occam's razor thread. The specific post is here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10432852/
 
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