I still go outside. But if I’m in a store when it gets robbed, or I’m injured in any way I’m not going to scream for the removal of ALL POLICE. There will always be bad actors.
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Spotify Calls Apple's App Store Restrictions 'An Abusive Power Grab'
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It's about the entire devaluation of the ios ecosystem. Not about choice. Choice would be great, if these types of actions enhanced the ios ecosystem, but I don't see it doing so.
How in the world did apple critics get so brazen that they believe they know what is best for all apple consumers?
It's actually pretty easy. All you have to be able to do is think for yourself and not let the $2bn corp tell you how life should be. We all make 100s of choices every single day, and yet most people don't have any issues. Why does the big kid on the block have to make all of the decisions for us? Have we as a society devolved so badly that we need to be led around like sheep? Honestly it's depressing.
Edit - I7, I agree with you like 99% of the time, this is the one spot we disagree. If I didn't use Apple products, I wouldn't sit and criticize them. To me it's like complaining about the president when you didn't vote. You can call me a critic all you want, and that's totally fair. I just believe that the consumer should have the right to make choices for themselves. Regardless if Apple or Google or Samsung, or random company number four makes their device.
Because in IT, security is everything. I have had for fiends of friends of family members have their address book hacked. Which eventually led to me getting spam. There are some emails I give out to only a select few people, and after I heard someone got hacked and caused a chain of events, I started to get spam.
Same thing in corporate IT. If one sole employee clicks on that ransomware email, it can infect the NAS and any of the equipment. Which is why you hear companies getting impacted all the time.
I don’t want iOS to open up and I become less secure because my parents aren’t smart enough to install the right apps and I opened one text from them which exposes a security hole. This is why I have an old Surface Pro on an isolated network when I offer programming assistance and people send me files.
Open !=unsecure. Unless you're saying that Unix/Linux and therefore MacOS are inherently unsecure.
Yes they are! In fact, macos malware increased 1,000% in 2020. They ONLY reason macOS is as “secure” as it is, is due to marketshare . Windows has the most, so most of the malware “packs” available on the dark web are for Windows.
People lose their ***** when they see poor little companies going out of business But for me, it simply convinces me that capitalism is working. a healthy and thriving market economy requires that less competent, lazy, and inefficient companies go out of business. Thats the point of competition. Competition is good for consumers but bad for competitors. Thats why the likes of spotify, epic, and tiles are bitching to congress. Companies who know they can’t win fair and square resort to dirty political intrigues and schemes. Its nasty but sadly it often works.
Spotify not only operates in the red, they pay less to artists than Apple Music does (0.003-0.005/stream vs 0.007/stream). Apparently their concern for equity in payments doesn't apply to people they attempt to profit from.
Apple Music does that? I’ve never had that happen to me, but there was a marketing setting that I made the decision to turn off, could be that.
No hell no
You want to side load go get droid. Just because your some type of power user doesn’t mean the other 80% of ma and pa users that have an iPhone want anything other then the locked down experience so they can not worry about doing something stupid and not being able to use their phone.
Firstly I've never once paid for Spotify via the App Store. I've always paid for it directly.
I'm all for Apple taking a chunk of change where it comes to Apps. However, when it comes to music, it's one of the few cases where I do feel that Apple should lower their tariff.
Spotify is a reseller of Music, as a result the artists, already making pittance from plays, are the only ones losing out.
Music is not some virtual product like Epics' funny money. IMHO it should be treated similarly to a physical product.
However with the condition that the drop in fee's result in higher revenue to the artists.
I don’t think so. I think of what Apple’s doing with Apple Arcade as like being a Patron. There are some games that might never see the light of day because they’re not financially feasible without micropayments especially if the developer is against micropayments. I’m not sure how it breaks down, but Apple pays the developer for mobile phone exclusivity (they can still release on other platforms) and the more users engage with the app, the more the developer is paid. Some fun, but small, single play games, like “Assemble With Care” might never have been made without Apple Arcade. Some games like GrindStone MAY have seemed like a “good idea” by the developer, but releasing on Apple Arcade allowed them to decrease the level of risk enough, iterate in front of a customer base of millions, and then release it successfully on the Switch. So, I don’t think it really competes with game streaming (primarily because these games don’t even stream because they’re lightweight enough to not require it).
They just would need to do the same thing on Apple Devices that’s done on the Switch. Control and Hitman 3 are available on the Switch, but as two separate streaming enabled apps, not in a separate Store on the Switch.
I mean, consider DropBox. Who would EVER have thought that “AWS Storage” would be a business that could grow and flourish WITHOUT being integrated with an OS? However, even though there are lot of solutions out there, DropBox is number 2 only behind Google in the market. They succeed because they’re adding features on top of a commodity. Spotify should have been making the moves they’re making now a LONG time ago. If they fail, it’s because they didn’t add enough value for folk to deal with the cost they’re charging.
Also consider, DropBox is NOT a member of Epic’s Group of Disgruntled Companies that Sign Agreements they Don’t Like.
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Apple went out of their way to say the streaming model was wrong, and that customers wanted to "own" (Apple's term) their music. Apple only made a change when digital music sales dropped and years after Spotify was taking off.
So I disagree that they were always going to be in the music streaming business. Without the rise of Spotify, I don't think they would be. They spent years arguing why subscription models were a bad idea when people were asking for it. It's only when a good service came out (Spotify) and people moved to it that Apple paid attention to what people had been asking for.
Wellll, without the rise of the iPhone, Spotify wouldn’t even be a product. The iPhone is what made “unlimited data” something cell providers were willing to offer unlimited plans for. I’m sure iOS existing aided Spotify’s business far more than Spotify existing aided Apple’s
If we ever get to the point where trend setters market leaders such as Spotify are driven out of business by Apple Apps store rules and fees, then that day competition will be dead and we will all pay the price for it.
You better like Apple Music a lot, and iCloud, and Pages, Numbers, Keynotes and Photos, and ATV+ as you might not be left with many alternatives to choose from.
You better like Apple Music a lot, and iCloud, and Pages, Numbers, Keynotes and Photos, and ATV+ as you might not be left with many alternatives to choose from.
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Seriously, do you think the same of Netflix? Disney? Prime? Dropbox? MS-Office? OneDrive? Adobe? Etc... etc... etc...
With that attitude you should be made to use only Apple’s alternative services and see how you like it.
You're spot on, but this forum is filled with appholes that cannot process that Apple is kind of a d-bag company to do business with.
That doesn't mean you can't love Apple products, but Apple is for the most part, a copy cat machine.
The Newton was the first hand held device of its kind.... I know there is one more.... ipod? No. They copied that. iPad? No, copied that too. iPhone? No, copied that too. Apple Music? No, they bought Beats who was also not first and have literally never changed it except cosmetically.... copy cat there.
Facts and reality to appholes are like facts and reality to retrumplicans. They just don't mesh.
30% for virtual goods is insane. Physical goods don't get that kind of mark up in most universes. Forget spotify, all these serves lose on the app store.
That was pulled out of the ass. It really should be more of a credit card processing fee model + a commission to account for hosting. That would be without pulling out of the ass about 4.5-5.5% to be on par with industry standards for payment processing (which NETS A PROFIT for the processor at that percentage) and 5% commission (which is a pretty standard commission rate). 10% is really a more reasonable number.
Physical goods generally net less than 20% margins BEFORE a store pays for credit card processing and shipping costs, labor, theft, etc. Digital goods at 30%? This is why Apple and Google are going to get a smack down by the government.
So they should offer their wares only to the lowest common denominator? I think “ma and pa” users will survive.
The fact that Apple can market their music service on the same platform as Spotify for less because they don’t have to pony up the 30% is a little nuts.
mans to the people that keep saying that Spotify is screwing the musicians... yeah... no. The deal they made with the publisher is screwing them.
You are allowed an alternative as I’ve already explained. The Australian Government use their own app and do not use Apple/ Google API’s and there’s many other countries/ states doing their own thing too. But, if you use somebody else tools, you have to abide by their rules. How hard is this to understand?
