I don't use Spotify so pardon the ignorance but you mean to tell me I can import all my FLACs into Spotify and use it to play that music? And keep it in FLAC format?
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Spotify Files Complaint Against Apple With European Regulators Over 'Unfair' App Store Practices
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I don't use Spotify so pardon the ignorance but you mean to tell me I can import all my FLACs into Spotify and use it to play that music? And keep it in FLAC format?
That happens in stores all the time.
Go hit the prepaid phone aisle at WalMart and look at the phones.
You think WalMart gets any piece of the subscription or monthly renewal? They don’t. And right on the box of several are stickers telling buyers how to save more money by going with option A or B after they get the device. WalMart doesn’t get a piece of that post sale revenue at all.
Apple’s developer fee is to get you access to their platforms and they state as much when your sign up. The $99 fee being a fee to host your apps is an interpretation you made up on your own.
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But you will have to buy a different car to go to the other supermarket and throw out all the food and items you purchased from the first supermarket
Except all the people who accepted this crap from Microsoft and continue to run their products today. Hell, the company I work for employs 16,0000+ all running Windows 10 and Office.
The difference being that Microsoft had like 97% market share in the 90s, there was no choice but to go with them. Apple doesn't even have 50% of the marketshare, There are plenty alternatives, no one is forcing anyone to use iOS.
You’re right. Walmart doesn’t get a cut. Walmart also doesn’t have to carry those phones. Walmart could also tell those phone companies they aren’t going to carry those phones unless they do get a cut of the revenue. It would then be up to the phone companies to either offer Walmart a cut or not sell their service at Walmart.
Walmart absolutely makes money on the sale of a prepaid device. If Walmart made money on the physical sale of the device AND on the subscription then they’d be double dipping.
Well you can develop a better system and show everybody. I can agree that 30% is a bit much, but it should be around 15-20%.
No, of course not. But neither does Walmart provide any of the infrastructure that provisions those plans.
Whilst I agree that a 30% cut of a subscription is too much (I work for an organisation that would like to offer its services via an app but 30% would make it non-viable) I also recognise that Apple (and Google BTW) provides much more than just a (max) 5% billing/payment system - amongst other things it's a full-blown subscription management system - and at a guess 20% dropping to 10% after year one would work for my organisation.
Yeah, you got that incredibly wrong.
Apple is the ONLY streaming provider that accepted the royalty rate increase on music streaming. It's everyone else that banded together to file a lawsuit against the increase from 10% of revenue up to 15% of revenue; Spotify, Google, Amazon, Pandora. Apple also pays developers more than Google for downloads on their apps, so there's that too...
Sorry.
You're looking at this incorrectly and speaking to the wrong monopoly. OS marketshare would not be the argument Spotify would make. Imo, they're going to argue ecosystem monopoly. Considering that ecosystem is the largest in profit by a wide margin (something a few Apple fans take pride in reminding others... often) I think the EU regulators are going to listen.
Spotify will focus on iOS as a singular entity and argue Apple's unfair competitive advantage in iOS. As they've already hinted at, they think Apple has two sets of rules: one for devs, and one for Apple. It wouldn't be a problem except Apple sometimes is competing directly with the devs. If the dev can only do A-B-X-Y in the App Store yet Apple, selling the same service, can do A-B-C-X-Y-Z and charge the dev a percentage on top... because the dev has to use Apple's back end, there will be questions.
Guaranteed Spotify will point to Apple's ability to bypass it's own prohibition against push notification ads as evidence of Apple's unfair competitive advantage. This case wouldn't be as hard as you seem to think.
Correct. And if Walmart provided the processing/handling of the monthly subscription... they would most certainly want a cut.
A company does not require a 100% monopoly over a broader market to be considered participating in anti-competitive practices. The point is that they control a huge marketplace and obviously leveraged fee structures to hurt preexisting vendors in that marketplace.
If Tim doesn't like the laws in Europe, he can go someplace else.
Spotify has a point here. And I bet they are not targeting the App Store guidelines in general. They clearly have Apple Music in mind, a direct competitor where the 30% fee on subscriptions is not applied.
I remember the 30% thing being an issue for Netflix as well and they removed the subscription option from their iOS app. As Apple does not have a competitor product for Netflix they did not interfere. With Spotify however they deliberately make it harder for them to offer a great user experience and ignore complaints, because they probably could move many iOS-Spotify-Users to Apple Music if they locked out Spotify.
Oh, and this one is for the fanboys:
- Spotify was there first, duh.
- Apple Music sucked when it came out (the UI!)
- Spotify is more diverse with a lot of K-Pop, Video Game Soundtracks and Indie Artists
- I have my playlists there that took hours of work and I am not going to do this again on Apple Music.
So please let's just not get down the "Apple Music is better anyways, lol"-road here, shall we?
How is that even an argument? Competitors offen have lower prices to compete.
I'm 50/50 on this.
The average user is going to see the price on iOS and think it's Spotify's actual price.
The average user is going to see the price on iOS and think it's Spotify's actual price.
To require government intervention they do require a dominant market position. If alternatives are available the market will sort itself out. The answer can’t always because you don’t like the terms some business is offering that you get the government to step in an force terms you like better.
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If Spotify doesn’t like the laws (rules, terms) of the App Store they can leave the App Store.
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It is Spotify’s actual price. On the App Store. Because Spotify prices it that way. Apple didn’t set that price.
The difference being Microsoft has a monopoly in the computer market. They forced Netscape out of the market by bundling IE with their web browser.
Android phones/tablets are the majority of mobile market. Apple can't leverage that to take spotify out of the market because its available on Android and trough a web browser. Obviously they can signup outside the App store before downloading spotify for iOS.
I live in Europe in a wealthy country and most European (North/ West) countries are considered wealthy.what I see is more Spotify and much less Apple Music.
in countries with weaker purchasing power, it's understandable to see more Spotify simply because they have more budget to premium ratio of phones and only Android has budget phones.
Also Spotify gives the free (ad based) option that Apple doesn't have.
It seems only in USA Apple Music have a noticeable market,and that's because in US iPhones are generally more popular and Apple promote such services more.
still I don't have the exact statics but i doubt even in US,Apple Music has more subscribers than Spotify.
Apple Music is also pre installed on all iPhones..and Apple gives 3 months free..so a new iPhone user automatically leans towards Apple Music.many providers are offering long free Apple Music subscription promos.
in the UK,when I got my iPhone Xs Max there was 6 months Apple Music (which I still haven't used) and I had another 3 Months from Apple,but I still prefer Spotify although I switch back and forth..
I know MANY iPhone users who use Spotify instead of Apple Music because they are used to Spotify..the brand,the name,the icon the interface..that's what they are so used too and they don't want to change.
Spotify is also available in many other smart devices like TVs,game consoles etc and the account and playlists etc can be syncedeasily between devices whereas Apple Music is mainly only and iPhone/iPad thing.
For free? What are you thinking, buddy? A basic Apple Developer Program (which allows you to publish apps) costs $99/year.