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I'm not sure about the DJ apps, but I was specifically addressing Bushido's quote. If you read that quote, you're more likely to get that he was talking about a desktop browser interface for listening to music at work instead of a browser based interface for DJ'ing.

I did get the impression that he was referring to recreational listening at work, but ipedro's reply about DJing got me thinking.

Pacemaker indeed does let you access Spotify Premium to select songs, so one CAN use Spotify to DJ if one so chooses.
 
A year ago, they had infinitely times as many subscribers.

Not bad for only being around 12 months.
 
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Considering they had 3x back in January, it looks like Apple is catching up pretty quickly.
 
But I won't be using either of these - or any other. I like my music my way.

And I am sorry that Bully James and his bunch won game 6 and 7. Officiating was terrible.
 
Surely that can't be right!! /s

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I've read reports that they are bleeding money because of the free tier.

Spotify has a scaling problem. Yes they're adding more customers... but they are the free customers.

And that costs them more money.

How much longer will investors keep writing checks to Spotify?
Offering a free tier trains people to think they are getting a better deal by putting up with ads.

There was a skit on Maya & Marty where a wealthy man had commissioned an android replica of his late wife. She looks exactly like the deceased woman, and knows a lot of intimate details about their life together. The salesperson tells the man that she learned it by studying the couple's FaceBook feed.

Suddenly the wife-bot shouts out the name and benefits of a random product. The salesperson apologizes, and said that she was set to ad-supported mode. The salesperson suggests helpfully that the ad-free version is a $20 upgrade.

"So how much is the ad-free version, all together?" asks the husband.

"Six billion and twenty dollars."

"I guess I could put up with a few ads," says the husband.
 
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Spotify is not a startup anymore
Well, I guess that depends on your definition of startup. In any case they are still rapidly growing.
Nobody knows when Spotify will break even, the losses are still significant even though the revenue per customer is rising.
And more importantly, the customer base is rising rapidly. That's how you do it: Grow your customer base first, then start focusing on monetization.
The labels are also becoming increasingly difficult to deal with, which puts a constant pressure on Spotify to turn non-paying customers into paid customers desperately.
That affects Apple and the other streaming services just as well. And Spotify has the additional option of increasing the ad revenue of the free-tier subscribers.
 
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Spotify also still doesn't break even. I wonder how long they can go on losing money.
 
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That's also logic fail.

Spotify was immediately available to use on almost any Windows PC. Spotify didn't have to create their own ecosystem like what Apple had to do.

The problem here is that most just don't like subscriptions, not the size of the ecosystem.

Logic fail continues.

Had Microsoft launched Spotify on everyone one of thier computers running a version of Windows with a three month trial , you might have a point.

How exactly were these Windows users going to be made aware that Spotify existed ......??

Apple did not have to create an ecosystem for Apple Music, 1 billion devices had it forced one them. HUGE advantage.

Yes many do not like subscriptions , but many also do not like the implementation of Apple Music, and are willing to sign up if it gets fixed.

The truth is, had Apple Music got it right, many of those 30 million with Spotify, would be with AM right now. They are with the better service right now.
 
Does Spotify count all those "free" subscribers (Rogers etc) as "Paid"?
Because, I know absolutely no one that actually "pays" but everyone has a 2 year subscription... and so far all say they're going to Apple when their free one runs out.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot of the DJ apps in the App store provide access to music through a user's Spotify Premium account? Pacemaker and TraktorDJ come to mind...

You're right. They do but it's for "entertainment purposes only". If you want to play music as a professional DJ for an audience, you have to buy the license for each song or pay per play royalties. Of course, many amateur DJs don't do this and risk it but most major clubs will ban a DJ if they're found to be playing music illegally because it's the club who will get the massive fines for playing unlicensed music if caught.
 
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I'd think 10X, not 2X. If this is true, Spotify is in trouble, and Apple Music is doing pretty darn well. Spotify is running a loss, providing so much free service, so they should have massive market share to make up for it.

Spotify is going to have to do something substantial to survive. As you said, they're running at a loss. Business hasn't been growing fast for them and more competition is coming along all the time.

I realize plenty here love Spotify but the sad truth is they posted loses of $195 million in 2015. While they may be able to survive right now even with such heavy losses, investors need to see continued growth or they will pull the plug. Without some big changes in the next year, Spotify isn't likely to last. Simply doing away with the free service won't be close to enough.
 
I was adamant that I would not switch to streaming music until the price was right, and to me $5 or even $10 per month were not the right price. Yet here I am, with a Spotify family membership.

At $15/month for 6 users, it's $2.50 per month per user. That price I can get behind.

I do wish Spotify had artist bios, and an overall better UI.
 
Logic fail continues.

Had Microsoft launched Spotify on everyone one of thier computers running a version of Windows with a three month trial , you might have a point.

How exactly were these Windows users going to be made aware that Spotify existed ......??

Apple did not have to create an ecosystem for Apple Music, 1 billion devices had it forced one them. HUGE advantage.

Yes many do not like subscriptions , but many also do not like the implementation of Apple Music, and are willing to sign up if it gets fixed.

The truth is, had Apple Music got it right, many of those 30 million with Spotify, would be with AM right now. They are with the better service right now.
Apple had to create an ecosystem to begin with. That took more than the time Spotify exists.
 
Apple Music family subscription has been a huge boon for us. My kids use it almost exclusively, and I find it an compelling, additional way to discover new music that I can then purchase and download for offline use.

Happy subscribers here.
 
Offering a free tier trains people to think they are getting a better deal by putting up with ads.

There was a skit on Maya & Marty where a wealthy man had commissioned an android replica of his late wife. She looks exactly like the deceased woman, and knows a lot of intimate details about their life together. The salesperson tells the man that she learned it by studying the couple's FaceBook feed.

Suddenly the wife-bot shouts out the name and benefits of a random product. The salesperson apologizes, and said that she was set to ad-supported mode. The salesperson suggests helpfully that the ad-free version is a $20 upgrade.

"So how much is the ad-free version, all together?" asks the husband.

"Six billion and twenty dollars."

"I guess I could put up with a few ads," says the husband.

The free tier is great for consumers... but not for Spotify itself.

Apparently Spotify is losing money on the free customers which is what I was talking about.

Yes... people love free ad-supported content. But the company has to stay in business.
 
from article --

Despite rising users and revenues, Spotify continues to operate at a loss due to expensive royalties and revenue sharing with music label partners. The report claims Spotify's losses rose by 10 percent to $195.7 million (173 million euros) last year
At the same time, their revenue grew by ~80% ...
 
I like Spoitfy a lot. The only reason I don't use them is because I don't like their navigation. It should be Artist > Albums > songs on album, but its not.
 
I was adamant that I would not switch to streaming music until the price was right, and to me $5 or even $10 per month were not the right price. Yet here I am, with a Spotify family membership.

At $15/month for 6 users, it's $2.50 per month per user. That price I can get behind.

I do wish Spotify had artist bios, and an overall better UI.

Yeah, looking at Spotify's prices for family plans, it's twice that, at best.
 
Much happier now with Apple Music than I've ever been with Spotify. I don't really understand how people are able to manage a music library in Spotify. Not to mention, you can't even change any tags, let alone create smart playlists or anything of that sort. The way that the AM subscription and streaming music seamlessly integrates into my existing library is really fantastic. I'm like a kid in a candy store the way I'm filling up my library. A feeling I never quite got with Spotify, where you were alway very aware of the fact that you didn't have full control over nor got to organize your music in whichever way you wanted, but were only granted temporary access to some remote repository.

I think younger people don't even want/have a library. I've abandoned trying to maintain a library of music. I quit putting music on my phone 6 years ago. It's much more convenient for us to stream it all. My beef with AM is I couldn't tell what was mine, or what was streaming, what was really on my phone, what was a playlist. I gave it the full 3 months before going back to Spotify. Also, my wife and I can share an 8 dollar subscription as long as we don't use the app concurrently.

AM was a beautiful looking app though, just hard to navigate and understand.
 
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