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Spotify Lauds $2 Billion EU Fine, Says Apple Has 'Muzzled' Streaming Music Services
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I don't know which company is responsible. It could be Spotify since two other music services work with HomePod??
I just wish we could all get along, especially big companies, because the only people that really suffer in the end are the paying customers.
exactly.
technology lets us do lots of things faster and easier and working together in ways the parts cant.
but seems when money is involved, everyone suddenly stops cooperating.
i'd be sure Apple would love to have Spotify and other services on their HomePods.
It would help make them more useful and sell more hardware.
So you think you should be able to open a store and sell your items in the middle of midtown Manhattan where you will get traffic from Millions and millions of potential customers.... but not pay any rent for the store location? you would have access to all of those customers and make huge profits while not paying anything for the location that is granting you this access? Does that make sense?
"I shall have your data," the Spotify CEO also wrote in a now deleted passage. "By god, I will your data..."
Do you even understand how numbers work? Bigger number better for cash on hand better?! The only reason Apple has debt is because it makes sense to do so from a tax perspective. Apple has a yearly profit that is greater than Spotify's overvalued market cap.
Let me guess: you also hailed the ebook ruling against Apple with the exact same pedantic phrasing that effectively handed control of that market to Amazon but still consider it Apple's fault that an ebook costs as much as the physical product.
You shouldn't need a Masters in Computer Engineering to install apps on your computer. If computer security were so simple, we wouldn't have ransomware. Ever see a phone get ransomware ? The Mac is a legacy platform, where side loading is allowed. When birthing the iPhone and iPad, Apple made a conscious decision to start from scratch and make a secure platform.
No we will have an idea of what maintaining "An Alternative Marketplace" costs. "The Apple App Store" may have costs that are significantly higher simply since it pays its App review team far more than a competitor. Furthermore you're foolish in believing that the details of the costs will be published by the competitor.
Freeloading grifters.
Canadian here. While the tone of American superiority can be annoying, the EU has a business/regulatory climate that has led to no significant tech players making it big/dominant on the world market. The only solution the EU has is to bring down the tech giants based elsewhere. The focus should shift on creating its own tech giants that are dominant on the world stage thanks to the strength of their products.
Spotify dominates globally, including the U.S. by a significant margin. Apple does not dominate a single device type, so I imagine yes, Spotify would be doing okay without iPhone and more specifically it's app store.
Anyone who thinks Apple isn't anti-competitive is delusional. I think the EU did right here regarding ruling against Apple's anti-competitive policies, other countries should follow. I do agree though Spotify is blowing smoke about app store fees since for example, play store has similar fees.
I have neither as they are both more expensive than necessary and already have Amazon Music. I have tried Apple Music a few times when offered on a free trial but its no better for what I need.
Well i cancelled my Spotify Premium today. not rewarding them after their glee today.
Sounds like they have enough financial woes anyway so might be better to move to another streamer before it collapses.
No doubt in a few days time, when the alt app stores open, they will whinge again.
They've started already but will be emboldened by today's fine.
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Your argument falls apart because I know as a consumer it’s up to me find the best price. There’s this thing called the internet AKA the tubes where I can search for all manner of things all across the world. I can even search for deals straight from a manufacturer.
The tubes ain’t a new thing either. Some people grew up knowing only the world with the internet and don’t know how to search for things without it.
And Microsoft would likely be a smaller company had they not left it open.
Had Apple forced users to use Mac only to use iPod, it's likely Mac marketshare would skyrocket.
Anecdotal. I was ready to give Mac a shot if Apple forced users to use Mac to sync with the iPod. What you or I experienced isn't really saying much.
Again, Apple could likely grow the Mac marketshare much faster if they left it Mac exclusive, meanwhile Microsoft would be much weaker if Microsoft closed off Windows.
There is a lot of parallel between this and how Tesla had exclusive Supercharger access. People simply wouldn't buy an EV that isn't a Tesla because the didn't have access to the charging network. Now that Tesla is opening up their Superchargers, you see a lot of interest in other EVs like Rivian and Ford and Tesla is showing weakness in Model Y demand currently.
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This blog post may help Americans understand the EU a little better.
www.baldurbjarnason.com
Facing reality, whether it's about Apple or the EU, is a core requirement for good management
Web dev at the end of the world, from Hveragerði, Iceland
www.baldurbjarnason.com
I've clearly read your posts but again, I'm pointing out that screenshot is completely irrelevant. That browse page will not change if you listen to country/techno/disco/international music/French music/chinese music/etc... because that browse page is not personalized to your listening habits.
Your screenshot holds zero value in to the discussion as it is not proof of anything. That's what I'm pointing out. There is no clarification needed as you clearly made a mistake in showing a page that you thought was personalized when it was not.
I'm sure your experience with Apple Music recommendations is not as good as Spotify, great, I'm well aware of that. But I'm pointing out that screenshot is so obviously wrong in what you're trying to achieve in the discussion.
It's a good read but it fails to explain the EU's market cap approach relative to the "single market" concern. In other words, the market cap directly contradicts the idea of the single market. The author of that article talks at length about USB-C and how everyone is required to use that standard. But then everyone isn't required to follow the standard of the DMA. Only companies with a certain market cap are required to follow it, which is a fragmentary approach that is in opposition to the author's claim that the EU always wants unified markets.This blog post may help Americans understand the EU a little better.
Facing reality, whether it's about Apple or the EU, is a core requirement for good management
Web dev at the end of the world, from Hveragerði, Iceland
IMO, the market cap idea (both in the EU and U.S.) was always an admission that the actions being labelled "anticompetitive" to the media were mostly standard business practices. Both the EU and the U.S. knew that trying to outlaw those practices throughout the entire market would be a disaster, thus the market cap.
There are pros and cons but, unless you get millions of plays, peanuts are essentially just peanuts.
But that's the way it is. No point in fighting it, might as well embrace it.
Since the dawn of contract law.
Then let them do it without Apple's help.
Possibly. That type of comment is seemingly very common from OP...
I'd like to emphasize, as I've done before, that my issue is particularly with international music. Despite my repeated inquiries about your familiarity with international music, I've yet to receive a response. I infer from this silence that your experiences might be limited to English-language content; which is fine. But at least answer the question. Because if you're not well-versed in Apple Music's international functionality, it's important to respect the views of non-US users who regularly rely on it.
Interestingly, my current recommendations on Apple Music suggest Spanish Latin tracks, which doesn't align at all with my preferences or market. I also have an American iCloud account and have not encountered such recommendations before - never - . This leads me to believe that the recommendations are influenced by my location in Europe. So yes, the 'Browse Now' feature changes depending on the market, and in my case it's totally irrelevant. Imagine living in the US and having in browse now mostly songs from Italy.
Additionally, I attempted to share a screenshot from my iPhone showing the playlist generated when I create a station on Apple Music. Unfortunately, it only displays the next song, therefore I couldn't provide a valuable screenshot. Your assertion that my contributions are lacking seems premature, especially considering the lack of response to my initial question about your linguistic and musical searches. The "Browse Now" feature would likely present a drastically different experience for someone engaged in multilingual music exploration.
For further context, a family member, holding an iCloud account registered in another European country, receives recommendations solely from that region, despite the fact she doesn't listen to that kind of music. This discrepancy was never an issue with Spotify, which seamlessly accommodated our multilingual preferences. Given that I am a paying customer of Apple Music ( I have an Apple Family account which is only useful for our iCloud accounts in the same EU country! - amazing!) , I believe it's fair to draw comparisons based on our experiences across multiple languages.
If you still deem my concerns and observations of negligible importance, that's your prerogative. However, it seems we fundamentally disagree on this matter.
I'm highlighting that Apple Music falls short in catering to international music preferences, while it's unclear to me what you're trying to achieve in the discussion.
Edited/Added: Attached is a screenshot from my 'Listen Now' on MacOS, which consistently promotes hip hop and rap music, genres I never listen to. Are you satisfied with this proof? Additionally, I've included a screenshot of a station created by Apple Music for me. As you can see, it suggests motivational, exercise-style music, and hip hop, none of which align with my preferences. Do you get it now?
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