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Spotify Legal Chief: 'Apple's Ability to Strangle its Competitors is Unprecedented'
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You really can’t look at this from too many perspectives and not be on Apple’s side.
Like people have said before, no store allows products to say on the box, “but it somewhere else for cheaper.” So that entire argument is just stupid.
Then you have the companies screaming that Apple will put small businesses out of business. But these companies were built to build apps for an Apple device that Apple created that Apple markets on their App Store. If they had a different purpose, then they wouldn’t feel so threatened. No one is forcing these companies to make apps for Apple. Go to Google. Go to the internet. Go to computers.
And finally, the “but Google allows it argument.” Apple isn’t Google. iOS isn’t Android. If customers wanted the free for all that is Android, they would have bought an Android.
I really hope Epic loses this battle and bad. They use Apple for marketing. They used Apple’s tools to make a product. And they are greedy. And years ago they charged the same rates to companies using their failed store. We’ll tough ****. Now it’s their turn to pay the piper.
Like people have said before, no store allows products to say on the box, “but it somewhere else for cheaper.” So that entire argument is just stupid.
Then you have the companies screaming that Apple will put small businesses out of business. But these companies were built to build apps for an Apple device that Apple created that Apple markets on their App Store. If they had a different purpose, then they wouldn’t feel so threatened. No one is forcing these companies to make apps for Apple. Go to Google. Go to the internet. Go to computers.
And finally, the “but Google allows it argument.” Apple isn’t Google. iOS isn’t Android. If customers wanted the free for all that is Android, they would have bought an Android.
I really hope Epic loses this battle and bad. They use Apple for marketing. They used Apple’s tools to make a product. And they are greedy. And years ago they charged the same rates to companies using their failed store. We’ll tough ****. Now it’s their turn to pay the piper.
Maybe Google’s and Snapchat’s experience developing smart glasses?
To do so would be about as odd as AirBnB getting into the real estate development business.
If one has some kind if intelligence, will go to the spotify website and buy subscription there. This is what I did with YouTube and paid HALF…
spotify and epic are just funny. Maybe it’s time for them to forget about iphones.
Let’s continue your argument to the extreme, I own the airwaves, it’s my 5G or LTE network, I built all of the infrastructure that allows all of your (Apple or otherwise) to connect with each other...of course you’re free to develop your own platform, build your own towers, launch your own satellites if that‘s what you prefer. Now, whilst your using my platform, that by the way, you have to pay me for, I want you to use my payment system, yes when you pay to access my network, you must pay to use it with my payment system. Oh, and if you guys who are using my network sell anything to each other, I would like you to give me 30% of the transaction fee. The reason, you ask? Well, for one it costs me and absolute fortune collecting all this money from your transactions and two, well I have to check every device that’s on my network, to make sure they’re not being naughty and that costs a lot of money too........
Im sorry, say what? Are Apple allowing every other developer to direct users to external site via AppStore but not Spotify? What makes Spotify think they are special and AppStore rules (to which they have agreed to adhere btw) don't apply to them? Who's fault is that they have not got the capability to offer something Apple does? Have they invested anything on the tremendous amount spend to create and maintain the AppStore platform? No, they have not.... they just wish to use it for free. Sick of these whiners. They are the shady ones, trying to bay-pas AppStore so they can avoid paying any fee and run their business in a platform they spend f.all, just for free. I don't think so.
Sure, you can do that if that's lawfully allowed.
Apple is allowed to charge whatever rates they pleases, because this action is not illegal.
It’s not as popular in my part of the world yet and I don’t yet know anybody who subscribes to it. I use Amazon music myself and have never found a song I want that isn’t on there but most I know use Spotify.
who cares even about spotify or aplle when YouTube Premium exists… and it’s obvious that you pay less when you buy via website and idiots should pay more
If you asked for that all from the beginning and people signed a contract agreeing to it then yes... That's how businesses run. Didn't you have to spend billions to develop your 5G network and infrastructure? How do you intend to get your money back plus fund repairs and research your next 6G network. Just like your example, if you think a 5g network or a phone platform is the trivial part of the equation, then simply make one yourself. The main point being a company has the right to ask for what every they want. Whether they get what they ask for is up to the developers and the buyers. Clearly they thought it was worth it because developers came in droves to sign up for it saying this is the best thing since sliced bread. But now they got bored and greed has entered their minds. Fortunately there are a lot of developers and users such as myself that continue to be very happy with Apples walled garden model. For those that are not happy with it, they win too, they are not bound by anything, they can leave at anytime. There are plenty of other platforms to build apps for and for users, there are many great phone alternatives.
@Spotify's chief legal officer and head of global affairs Horacio Gutierrez: Make me a better offer. I was Spotify user for ages and still you kept raising the price.
Your argument would be true if history started in 2015... ever heard of Real's Rhapsody service? Spotify certainly just repeated this push at a more convenient time when technology was ready.
It's really cute how you think no one is using iTunes anymore - I certainly belong to iTunes crowd, don't have any music subscription and don't plan to have one and I buy singles or albums from iTunes, have my own playlists, still rip CD occasionally etc.
Unless music labels shut down this kind of licensing I will continue acquiring and owning my choice of music instead of relaying on ML algorithms and corporate bozos pushing colorful noise
So they're wrong for allowing developers to give away apps for free (which costs them money because they still facilitate the store and the dev tools) but also wrong for charging an industry standard fee for apps that are sold and not allowing them to advertise an app to be sold somewhere else? Make that make sense. The principle is the same, you can't force them to run a store counter to their interests, that's just asinine. I own a PS5, the only way for me to purchase a game online is through Sony's online store and they take the same cut Apple does. I can go somewhere else and purchase a game, but the manufacturer has still paid the same licensing fee to Sony and they've gotten the same cut. Is Epic suing Sony? Is Spotify? Spotify has millions of subscribers, Epic has millions of customers and sells a ton of DLC, are they hurting? Are people really not able to get to their sites to purchase using their preferred method? Everyone has options, Apple isnt the only game in town and actually isnt even in a majority position. No one is forcing anyone to buy an iPhone or forcing a developer to make iPhone apps.
As you are undoubtedly aware, when using Spotify or Apple Music one can ignore the algorithms and colourful noise and strictly save and play the albums one wishes to. But I take your points.Your argument would be true if history started in 2015... ever heard of Real's Rhapsody service? Spotify certainly just repeated this push at a more convenient time when technology was ready.
It's really cute how you think no one is using iTunes anymore - I certainly belong to iTunes crowd, don't have any music subscription and don't plan to have one and I buy singles or albums from iTunes, have my own playlists, still rip CD occasionally etc.
Unless music labels shut down this kind of licensing I will continue acquiring and owning my choice of music instead of relaying on ML algorithms and corporate bozos pushing colorful noise
Do be sensible? It’s already broken. The problem is that Apple does not allow customers to subscribe outside the app at a lower price. So they can’t charge 30% more in the App Store have to absorb the Apple tax themselves.
That doesn’t make sense so for them so they just removed in-app subscription altogether. That means they risk losing out on new customers, a real possibility as they’re not even allowed to link to their store. Sensible?
It would only be ironic if brick and mortar stores let you take the product from the shelf in their store and go home with it after you paid for it on Amazon. But that's not how it work in bricks and mortar stores - if you want to take it right now, you pay the store price, you only get the Amazon price if you buy it from Amazon and wait for delivery.
Your argument would be true if history started in 2015... ever heard of Real's Rhapsody service? Spotify certainly just repeated this push at a more convenient time when technology was ready.
It's really cute how you think no one is using iTunes anymore - I certainly belong to iTunes crowd, don't have any music subscription and don't plan to have one and I buy singles or albums from iTunes, have my own playlists, still rip CD occasionally etc.
Unless music labels shut down this kind of licensing I will continue acquiring and owning my choice of music instead of relaying on ML algorithms and corporate bozos pushing colorful noise
I’m not interested in the musical history of internet music to be honest. We all used Winamp, lastFM, Diamond etc and all these predated Apple and Spotify. I am talking about two companies as detailed in this thread and how their products have developed in the modern era.
I was one of those people once upon a time who stored 20k songs on iTunes and bought CD’s but those days are gone for me. I don’t want to store even more cd’s than I already have much of which my wife is pressuring me to get rid of as I have about 10k of them in boxes in our garage. The best thing I ever did was start using a streaming service. No hassle, dealing with iTunes bugs losing your music etc and the last 6 years iTunes free have been great. More space on my iPhone too and less space on a cloud being paid for. I don’t know many using iTunes these days apart from guy I work with. It’s an unnecessary evil IMHO.
Remember it is 30% only for the first 12 months, afterwords it is reduced to 15%, which is much less.
Yeah, you would think it's better to spend their money for improving their products. But no, let's spend it on litigation and lawyers.
But of course, Apple has become the big fat cat with a lot of money, so obviously there will be many parties trying to get a piece of that Apple pie through any means necessary, whether it's legitimate or not. But at least Spotify is not behaving consistently, and seemed that they only have ulterior motives.